Eagles/Giants Discussion/Predictions/Whatever

[SD_Eagle5]

Bunkley's been a disappointment

[ice grillin you]

Bunkley's been a disappointment

its a farging broken record isnt it

who is the last first day pick (top 3 rounds) other than pimp who has even reached expectations much less surpassed them...the only other one i can think of thats close is andrews but after this year you have to almost list him as being closer to a bust than a good pick until he proves otherwise...

and the amount of straight up busts on the first day is awful

[Feva]

Yep... if you don't count Andrews, then you have to go back to Westbrook.  5 farging years ago.

[SD_Eagle5]

I was all for the Bunkley pick and still think he can be a good player but his technique is still piss poor. What's the sense of having small quick lineman if they aren't gonna shoot gaps.

[SD_Eagle5]

Yep... if you don't count Andrews, then you have to go back to Westbrook.  5 farging years ago.

Think about this: The Eagles have 2 1st round picks next season.


Yikes

[ice grillin you]

i loved the bunkley pick as well...and there were a few others in there i liked at the time...obviously not all teams are gonna hit on every player but the eagles track record is downright putrid

you could look past all the busts if they just mixed in a couple really good or great players during that time period...but they cant even do that

[SD_Eagle5]

Picks in the first 3 rounds of the last 5 drafts...it isn't pretty:
Pick  Pos  Player  College Note
2008
2. DT  Trevor Laws  Notre Dame from MIN   
2. WR  DeSean Jackson  California   
3. OLB  Bryan Smith  McNeese State   - Project

2007
2. QB  Kevin Kolb  Houston from CLE through DAL
2. DE  Victor Abiamiri  Notre Dame   
3. LB  Stewart Bradley  Nebraska from DAL
3.RB  Tony Hunt  Penn State   

2006
1. DT  Brodrick Bunkley  Florida State   
2. OT  Winston Justice  Southern California from TEN; trade 2006 2.13, 4.19
3. OLB  Chris Gocong  Cal Poly from NYJ; trade 2006 3.12, 7.12

2005
1. DT  Mike Patterson  Southern California   
2. WR  Reggie Brown  Georgia from MIA; trade QB A.J. Feeley (2004)
2. LB  Matt McCoy  San Diego State   
3. RB  Ryan Moats  Louisiana Tech from KC; trade OT John Welbourn plus rec'd draft pick 2004 5.30

2004
1. OG  Shawn Andrews  Arkansas from SF; trade draft pick 2004 1.28 and 2.26
3. CB  Matt Ware  UCLA   

2003
1. DE  Jerome McDougle  Miami from SD; trade draft picks 2003 1.30 and 2.30
2. TE  L.J. Smith  Rutgers   
3.WR  Billy McMullen  Virginia   

[ice grillin you]

brutal

like romey said its amazing they have even been a .500 team over the last four years

[Seabiscuit36]

I wanted Ngata, but the Ravens pounced on him.  I thought Bunk was a great pick though, he's not consistent in the least bit

[Magical_Retard]

I wanted Ngata, but the Ravens pounced on him.  I thought Bunk was a great pick though, he's not consistent in the least bit

at the time, considering the potential i thought the draft was amazing. bunkley in the first and justice in the 2nd? justice was projected to go in the first round.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

2. DT  Trevor Laws - Serviceable backup at best
2. WR  DeSean Jackson - HIT
3. OLB  Bryan Smith - Who knows?
2. QB  Kevin Kolb - Career backup
2. DE  Victor Abiamiri - Not an impact player   
3. LB  Stewart Bradley - Semi-HIT
3. RB  Tony Hunt - done
1. DT  Brodrick Bunkley - Mild disappointment for first half of first round 
2. OT  Winston Justice - Awful
3. OLB  Chris Gocong - Still don't understand drafting a pass rusher and making him play in space
1. DT  Mike Patterson - Meh
2. WR  Reggie Brown - Meh
2. LB  Matt McCoy - LoLlerskates   
3. RB  Ryan Moats - Is Westbrook scared yet?
1. OG  Shawn Andrews - Missed rookie season, missing this one... still HIT
3. CB  Matt Ware - Tweener Schmeener
1. DE  Jerome McDougle - BANG BANG BANG BANG
2. TE  L.J. Smith - Tough to say... Semi-HIT
3.WR  Billy McMullen - OMG he's big

So, assuming Andrews eventually comes back and plays more dominant seasons, I'm seeing two very good picks, two pretty good picks, a few questionable picks, and some downright awful ones.

[PhillyPhreak54]

fwiw baldy is in wip right now and said he watched the film yesterday and hes blaming westbrook as well for stretching the run out rather than cutting it up where he thinks he def could have had the first....altho hes partially blaming it on westbrook being hurt


he also said the number one thing that stood out on the film is how dominant fred robbins was against the eagles interior and on the flip side how bad bunk and patterson were against the giants line

Whats equally amazing is how Reid always preaches that "it starts up front" and we have seen the interior trio get blown up over the years. Fraley used to get abused by big NT's. Jackson's had his lunch eaten on occasion too.

And it was disgusting how poor the Eagles front was against the Giants OL; Jacobs was well into the LBs before he even got touched. I was hoping Coughlin would get a case of stupid and keep Ward in there because they could at least stuff him a bit.

[ice grillin you]

he preaches it and rightly so because thats where it all does stem from...the problem is hes incapable of identifying good players at those positions...and whats really scary is that the two tackles need to be replaced real soon

which is why i said last week at the very least they need to get a real gm in here next year....and let that person be andys boss and andy be accountable to him...because for all intents and purposes he doesnt have a superior right now and that really needs to change

really he needs to be fired as the coach too but we know thats not gonna happen

[MDS]

andy will get a "make or break" year which looks to be next year. meaning before the season banner will tell eskin and the rest of his minions in the media that andy has to win this year or changes will be made (probably him being stripped of gm duties).

i remember eskin saying he wouldnt surprised if andys job was on the line, and he obviously didnt make that up. he makes things up about the phillies, but the eagles give him the talking points and this was thrown out there for a reason.

so its gonna another 2-3 season before reid is canned. hell he is such a stubborn control freak if he feels his job is on the line and comes to the realization that hes been doing a zesty job and cant win, maybe he'll resign.

[methdeez]

I feel like Andy will quit before he is fired. He seems like he is ready to go at any time these days.