Obama Continues Bush's Illegal Drone Surveillance

[ice grillin you]

Justices: Gitmo detainees can challenge detention in U.S. courts
From Bill Mears
CNN Supreme Court Producer 
 
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Suspected terrorists and foreign fighters held by the U.S. military at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, have the right to challenge their detention in federal court, the Supreme Court ruled Thursday.

The decision marked another legal blow to the Bush administration's war on terrorism policies.

In a 5-4 ruling, the justices said the U.S. military lacks the legal autonomy to prosecute as many as 300 prisoners.


a stunning rebuke of the administrations policies by the supreme court...hooray for them...i thought for sure they would go 5-4 the other way...a great day for freedom and liberty


scalia is still a douche tho

Scalia read his dissent from the bench. "The nation will live to regret what the court has done today," he said.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Bush won't be impeached

[Phanatic]

The English are having their own problems...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/jun/12/terrorism.labour

[Diomedes]

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/politics/bal-te.md.spy19jul19,0,5775512.story

Yay for state spying on peaceful law abiding citizens...yay for J Edgar Hoover wannabe republican governors....yay for Gestapo secret police thugs

[Diomedes]

And you know, I don't see the government spying on the NRA and their gun swaps, or on the anti-abortionists at their bomb making seminars...it's always the quakers and the cookie baking 65 year old hippie grandmas that the Fuhrer's henchmen target

funny that

[Cerevant]

Bush won't be impeached

Just in case everyone thought this was about the election...

The real reason why Peolsi and the house democrats are bending over and taking it from Bush?  Because they are guilty too.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Bush's awfulness is really drowning out the just-as-awful Congress.

Seriously.  Term limits are too kind for these losers.

[Cerevant]

Term limits, and campaign finance reform.  Until then Microsoft, Exxon, Wal Mart, Verizon and GM run this country. (not a complete list)

[Diomedes]

TSA puts CNN reporter on terrorist watch list after story about them, more...

http://www.analyst-network.com/article.php?art_id=2286


And that story about the MD State cops spying on peaceful, law abiding citizens for 14 months in '05/'06...they found nothing, of course.  No broken laws, no intent to break laws, no violence, no violent intent..nothing.

But they put some of these people on terrorist watch lists too.


Joe McCarthy would get along famously with Bush Cheney, would be right in his element in America 2008

[Cerevant]

The war on terror is exactly what the terrorists want.

Fundamentally, terrorism requires a "lethal cocktail," she wrote — "a disaffected individual, an enabling community, and a legitimizing ideology."

And any terrorist wants "three immediate objectives," according to Richardson, who coined "the three Rs": revenge, renown, and reaction.

So far, Richardson contended, American response to terrorism — including declaring a global war on fighters without armies or states — has given Islamic terrorists all three outcomes they desire.

Not every attack can be prevented, she said, but democratic governments can temper and control their reactions.

Richardson's latest book, co-edited with Robert J. Art, is "Democracy and Counterterrorism" (United States Institute of Peace Press, 2007). It outlines 16 case studies of how democracies combated terrorism and won.

According to Richardson, fighting terrorism requires having a defensible and achievable goal — and "eliminating terror" is neither, she said. Fighting terrorism also requires living by democratic principles, knowing your enemy, finding allies, maintaining perspective, and separating terrorists from their communities.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Was there a war on terror when they flew those planes into our buildings?

[Cerevant]

There is no doubt that the terrorists instigated.  The problem is that we are treating them like adults, when we should be treating them like a 3 year old having a tantrum: don't give them the attention they are playing for.

[shorebird]

There is no doubt that the terrorists instigated.  The problem is that we are treating them like adults, when we should be treating them like a 3 year old having a tantrum: don't give them the attention they are playing for.

So what are you saying, nothing should have been done?

I'm not saying the way Bush has gone about it is right, but it was the biggest attack in world history. Ignore them, and it would have or will happen again.

[shorebird]

Richardson is a master of context. For one, she said, the idea of terrorism goes back millennia. Its first documented practitioners, Richardson argued, were the Zealots, Jewish nationalists who nearly two thousand years ago opposed Roman rule in Palestine. Since then, said Richardson, religious believers of every stripe — when weaker than their adversaries — have resorted to terrorism.

Richardson's latest book, co-edited with Robert J. Art, is "Democracy and Counterterrorism" (United States Institute of Peace Press, 2007). It outlines 16 case studies of how democracies combated terrorism and won.

16 studies? It would almost be worth buying the book to read about that.

[Phanatic]

Seems to me that this administration wrote some sort of propaganda to combat terrorism and used said propaganda as actual strategy. Maybe I'm wrong there but that's something that has irked me about this White House. I'll go along with propaganda as long as I have the feeling that your doing something real behind the scenes.