U.S.A. tortures. Go ahead, deny it Bush lovers.

Started by Diomedes, July 01, 2008, 11:44:01 PM

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rjs246

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ice grillin you

Quote from: FastFreddie on July 02, 2008, 09:47:14 AM
Some of us just wonder if the people being tortured might kind of deserve it


ha...beautiful
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Cerevant

Aren't human rights violations one of the reasons we self-righteously justify unilateral military action against the bad guys?
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PoopyfaceMcGee

I thought it was more about them taking some planes and flying them into our buildings.  But either way, sure.

Quote from: ice grillin you on July 02, 2008, 10:55:42 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 02, 2008, 09:47:14 AM
Some of us just wonder if the people being tortured might kind of deserve it

ha...beautiful

So, if these guys had something to do with planning terrorist activities against the U.S., you think they deserve any less than waterboarding or rectal pears?

Quite frankly, torture is probably too kind for the guilty.

Whatever - I'll let you touchy feely hippies debate this.  I just wanted to say that I fully believe they are torturing suspects in Gitmo, and I've never denied it as far as I know.

ice grillin you

do support americans getting tortured for planning and carrying out attacks on middle eastern soil if they get captured?
i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

PoopyfaceMcGee

Quote from: ice grillin you on July 02, 2008, 12:48:42 PM
do support americans getting tortured for planning and carrying out attacks on middle eastern soil if they get captured?

I know what you're trying to do, and I'm not getting involved with it.

Seabiscuit36

Heads getting lopped off is ok, waterboarding bad...got it
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Cerevant

Quote from: FastFreddie on July 02, 2008, 11:42:26 AM
I thought it was more about them taking some planes and flying them into our buildings.  But either way, sure.

That's the funny thing - the people who were behind those planes are still running around in Afghanistan & Pakistan while American troops and innocent civilians are dying in Iraq.
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rjs246

Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on July 02, 2008, 01:18:11 PM
Heads getting lopped off is ok, waterboarding bad...got it

Neither is ok.  That's the whole point.
Is rjs gonna have to choke a bitch?

Let them eat bootstraps.

PoopyfaceMcGee

Quote from: Cerevant on July 02, 2008, 01:21:23 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 02, 2008, 11:42:26 AM
I thought it was more about them taking some planes and flying them into our buildings.  But either way, sure.

That's the funny thing - the people who were behind those planes are still running around in Afghanistan & Pakistan while American troops and innocent civilians are dying in Iraq.

I couldn't agree more.  Iraq has never been about the "war on terror," and Bush has neglected the real war in favor of the Saddam vendetta and oil-mongering.  It's nice that Saddam is done, but that was a long time ago.  Apparently, Bush is just realizing this now and is trying to shift troops before he leaves office.


ice grillin you

i cant imagine too many of our soldiers would be for the torture of anyone because one day they may be in a captive situation and facing some electric shock therapy themselves and im pretty sure wed all want them to be treated humanely...gotta love these armchair tough guys like ff screaming torture em all...and in general you gotta be a pretty sick person to actually want another human being tortured


Quote from: rjs246 on July 02, 2008, 01:22:08 PM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on July 02, 2008, 01:18:11 PM
Heads getting lopped off is ok, waterboarding bad...got it

Neither is ok.  That's the whole point.


true...but torture is much worse than quick death
i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

Seabiscuit36

Definitely im on board with that too IGY, but then sending the video of your head being lopped off so the world and your family isnt exactly PC.  The world is a farged up place, and just because one group follows the rules doesnt mean the other will in any capacity
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Cerevant

Quote from: FastFreddie on July 02, 2008, 11:42:26 AM
I thought it was more about them taking some planes and flying them into our buildings.  But either way, sure.

Quote from: FastFreddie on July 02, 2008, 01:28:15 PM
Iraq has never been about the "war on terror,"

:sly
An ad hominem fallacy consists of asserting that someone's argument is wrong and/or he is wrong to argue at all purely because of something discreditable/not-authoritative about the person or those persons cited by him rather than addressing the soundness of the argument itself.

MadMarchHare

Quote from: ice grillin you on July 02, 2008, 01:34:20 PM
i cant imagine too many of our soldiers would be for the torture of anyone because one day they may be in a captive situation and facing some electric shock therapy themselves and im pretty sure wed all want them to be treated humanely...gotta love these armchair tough guys like ff screaming torture em all...and in general you gotta be a pretty sick person to actually want another human being tortured


Quote from: rjs246 on July 02, 2008, 01:22:08 PM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on July 02, 2008, 01:18:11 PM
Heads getting lopped off is ok, waterboarding bad...got it

Neither is ok.  That's the whole point.


true...but torture is much worse than quick death

Dude, you obviously didn't see the video.  "Lopped" off is a misnomer.  His head was sawn off, slowly, and he screamed bloody farging murder till his trachea got severed.  He probably died before the blade came out the back, but not before he suffered horribly.
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