Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

Started by PoopyfaceMcGee, December 11, 2006, 01:30:30 PM

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Geowhizzer

Possible solution for Florida and Michigan:  Mail-in Primary

Cerevant

Actually, I read today that Michigan might be close to announcing that they will hold a caucus.  Hillary would shtein a brick if that happened.
An ad hominem fallacy consists of asserting that someone's argument is wrong and/or he is wrong to argue at all purely because of something discreditable/not-authoritative about the person or those persons cited by him rather than addressing the soundness of the argument itself.

Rome

farg Florida and Michigan.  They ignored the DNC, and as a result, they should have zero influence in deciding the candidate.

ice grillin you

Quote from: Rome on March 09, 2008, 05:31:12 PM
farg Florida and Michigan.  They ignored the DNC, and as a result, they should have zero influence in deciding the candidate.

unless it helps barry
i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

MDS

barry got +3 delegates from wyoming and will take miss on tuesday. so hell have some momentum going into pa primary, hopefully will beat that funhole and make her a mathematical impossibility to pass him.
Zero hour, Michael. It's the end of the line. I'm the firstborn. I'm sick of playing second fiddle. I'm always third in line for everything. I'm tired of finishing fourth. Being the fifth wheel. There are six things I'm mad about, and I'm taking over.

PhillyGirl

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080310/pl_nm/usa_politics_democrats_dc

Bill and Hillary are pushing a Clinton/Obama ticket....being as Obama is so inexperienced and all.

In Rome's words....HATE.
"Oh, yeah. They'll still boo. They have to. They're born to boo. Just now, they'll only boo with two Os instead of like four." - Larry Andersen

Cerevant

A number of the undecided supers suggested a combined ticket, but I think Hillary is going to have to take the back seat this time.
An ad hominem fallacy consists of asserting that someone's argument is wrong and/or he is wrong to argue at all purely because of something discreditable/not-authoritative about the person or those persons cited by him rather than addressing the soundness of the argument itself.

PoopyfaceMcGee

More like she's going to have to take it "again", like she did behind Bill.

Cerevant

Yes, but at least this time she can put it on her resume.  It will help her lack of experience, and all...
An ad hominem fallacy consists of asserting that someone's argument is wrong and/or he is wrong to argue at all purely because of something discreditable/not-authoritative about the person or those persons cited by him rather than addressing the soundness of the argument itself.

PoopyfaceMcGee

Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 09, 2008, 08:55:22 AM
Did anyone else see the story that the little girl sleeping in the Clinton 3am ad is now 17 years old (was footage taken like 10 years ago or something and now belongs to Getty Images). She is hating that she is in a Clinton ad, as this will be her first election that she can vote (she'll be 18 in a few months) and
she is very actively campaigning and volunteering for Obama.

She said she hopes Obama does a retaliatory ad and uses her in it. lol

LINK

Although, here's the key point:

QuoteDespite all of this, Casey Knowles admits if Clinton wins the party's nomination, she will vote for her.

ice grillin you

Quote from: Cerevant on March 10, 2008, 06:21:34 AM
A number of the undecided supers suggested a combined ticket, but I think Hillary is going to have to take the back seat this time.


lol...you dont know hillary

looks more and more like michigan and florida are gonna have primaries...corzine even said hed pay for them...that will give the nomination to hillary
i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

Rome

You really should drop the pretense and admit you're a Hillary supporter, IGY.

ice grillin you

why because i know hillary is the kind of person that would never take a back seat to anyone much less a newbie like barry...she is literally consumed in an unhealthy way to become president...and im not even sure its president i think she just wants to win and will do anything to do that...if in the end she loses no way in hell she takes second place as a vp to him


i also think in the end she does win...shes the far superior politician and has more friends in higher places than barry...its sad that that is the way it is but its also true...unless he can win pennsyltucky florida or michigan and it doesnt appear he can do any of those then hes cooked

you need to realize that youre allowed to say positive things about people you dont support and negative things about the people you do...otherwise you look pretty silly and cant be taken seriously on certain issues
i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

Cerevant

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Quote from: Rome on March 10, 2008, 09:27:00 AM
You really should drop the pretense and admit you're a Hillary supporter, IGY.

You miss the point - IGY likes being part of the victim crowd, and he really looks forward to crying about racism for 4 years if Obama loses.

Quote from: ice grillin you on March 10, 2008, 09:16:33 AM
Quote from: Cerevant on March 10, 2008, 06:21:34 AM
A number of the undecided supers suggested a combined ticket, but I think Hillary is going to have to take the back seat this time.
lol...you dont know hillary

looks more and more like michigan and florida are gonna have primaries...corzine even said hed pay for them...that will give the nomination to hillary

Well, you are probably right that she won't want to "lower herself" to the VP slot, but I don't see where your certainty for Hillary comes from:
  • If Obama lost both Michigan and Florida 60-40, that would give Hillary a ~60 delegate gain.  This is less than half of Obama's current lead.
  • Clinton has only won 2 states with greater than a 20% margin
  • Running unopposed, with no campaigning done in the state, Hillary only got 55% of the vote in Michigan
  • Michigan is considering a caucus, which would significantly favor Obama
  • Even after OH, TX and the so-called controversies, Obama is still polling better than McCain nationally
  • Obama has more money to mount "unplanned" campaigns in those two states to narrow or eliminate the gap.

Right now, this thing is Obama's to lose.  To put his lead in perspective - If the Michigan and Florida primaries were allowed to stand, with the undecided delegates in Michigan going to Obama, that would give Clinton 56 delegates (assuming they don't take back Edwards delegates from Florida).  Further, lets assume that Hillary wins every state left on the calendar by a margin of 10%.  Final pleged delegate count:

Obama: 1768
Clinton: 1741

That would pull her within her current super delegate margin over Obama and give her the "pleged" lead by 12 delegates.

If she wins every state from Pennsylvania on.  Every state.

(Sorry, in my original model, I gave Mississippi to Obama)
An ad hominem fallacy consists of asserting that someone's argument is wrong and/or he is wrong to argue at all purely because of something discreditable/not-authoritative about the person or those persons cited by him rather than addressing the soundness of the argument itself.

PoopyfaceMcGee

Quote from: ice grillin you on March 10, 2008, 09:16:33 AM
looks more and more like michigan and florida are gonna have primaries...corzine even said hed pay for them...that will give the nomination to hillary

Link?

I haven't seen one scenario where a contested revote adds enough delegates to give her a higher count of pledged delegates.

Even you've said all along that Hillary will have to get a majority of superdelegates to get the nomination.