Smoking ban in Philadelphia approved

Started by PhillyGirl, May 26, 2005, 02:24:12 PM

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rjs246

Are you saying that I should join the ranks of the fat and stop leaching off of society?

You sound like my grandmother.
Is rjs gonna have to choke a bitch?

Let them eat bootstraps.

Sgt PSN

No, I'm saying you'd like to shoot people in the face. 

rjs246

Is rjs gonna have to choke a bitch?

Let them eat bootstraps.

Seabiscuit36

"For all the civic slurs, for all the unsavory things said of the Philadelphia fans, also say this: They could teach loyalty to a dog. Their capacity for pain is without limit." -Bill Lyons

Diomedes

I don't care if smokers cost us all more money to treat...freedom isn't free afterall...but insofar as the high cost argument has been regularly advanced by the anti-smoking witchhunt mob, and universally accepted, I enjoy pointing out that it's a dubious one.

There is considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists." - Yosemite Park Ranger

Phanatic

I was thinking about this the other day. Isn't denying treatment to people because of they're habits and shtuff a form of Facism?

Wikipedia -
Fascism is an authoritarian political ideology (generally tied to a mass movement) that considers the individual subordinate to the interests of the state, party or society as a whole.
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shorebird

I was sitting at the local Moose Lodge last Saturday night, half tanked, and whipped out a cigarillo, fired it up and started puffing away. Forgot all about the ban. The bartender snatched it out of my mouth and dumped it in my beer. She gave me another though. It might be a while till I get used to this thing.


Cerevant

Quote from: Phanatic on February 06, 2008, 06:05:43 PM
I was thinking about this the other day. Isn't denying treatment to people because of they're habits and shtuff a form of Facism?

Wikipedia -
Fascism is an authoritarian political ideology (generally tied to a mass movement) that considers the individual subordinate to the interests of the state, party or society as a whole.

But I thought all facists smoked?  I bet W still lights up now and then...
An ad hominem fallacy consists of asserting that someone's argument is wrong and/or he is wrong to argue at all purely because of something discreditable/not-authoritative about the person or those persons cited by him rather than addressing the soundness of the argument itself.

Geowhizzer

Quote from: Cerevant on February 06, 2008, 06:14:13 PM
Quote from: Phanatic on February 06, 2008, 06:05:43 PM
I was thinking about this the other day. Isn't denying treatment to people because of they're habits and shtuff a form of Facism?

Wikipedia -
Fascism is an authoritarian political ideology (generally tied to a mass movement) that considers the individual subordinate to the interests of the state, party or society as a whole.

But I thought all facists smoked?  I bet W still lights up now and then...

For some reason, I think he does smoke cigars.  Not sure why I think that, though.

PoopyfaceMcGee

He just seems like that type of jackass.

PoopyfaceMcGee

Condo building bans smoking

Current owners that smoke will be allowed to continue smoking in their own residences.  Otherwise, this would be an incredible violation of personal freedom.

Cerevant

What's the difference between banning smoking, and not allowing pets or barbecue grills?  What about restrictions on painting your condo, or putting a satellite dish on the roof?
An ad hominem fallacy consists of asserting that someone's argument is wrong and/or he is wrong to argue at all purely because of something discreditable/not-authoritative about the person or those persons cited by him rather than addressing the soundness of the argument itself.

Sgt PSN

#642
The difference is that the decision was made after smoking residents had purchased their condo.  Therefore, they get grandfathered because the smoking ban wasn't part of their contract.  Same thing goes with dishes, paint, pets, etc.  If I move into a condo or townhome community with some sort of HOA and there's no restriction on dishes so I put one up, then 2 years later they decide they don't want them, I cannot be forced to take mine down.  It simply means that new owners moving into the hood wouldn't be allowed to put them up.  And when I vacate my place, the dish would have to come down to match everyone else.

If a smoker sells his condo, the new owner will not be allowed to smoke inside under the rule.  And I'm fine with that because it's an established policy before moving in.   

Cerevant

This smoking ban is the rule of a HOA.
An ad hominem fallacy consists of asserting that someone's argument is wrong and/or he is wrong to argue at all purely because of something discreditable/not-authoritative about the person or those persons cited by him rather than addressing the soundness of the argument itself.

Sgt PSN