Smoking ban in Philadelphia approved

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

I would support denial of health care, life insurance, and/or liability claims to those who are injured or die due to their own negligence: no seat belt, no helmet, disabling the safety features of cars, power tools, lawn equipment, etc.  But a person has the absolute right to do those things.

If you want to kill yourself, have a ball.  I'll laugh and submit your ass for a Darwin Award.  I agree that the law shouldn't be used to protect people from themselves.  The law is there to protect people and their property from the actions of others.

More hypocrisy here.  Would you deny health care for someone who is obese, but eats at McDonald's every day?  Would someone who develops lung cancer or emphysema from legally smoking cigarettes be ineligible for your plan?  You sure don't sound like a proponent of universal socialized medicine to me.

[ice grillin you]

More hypocrisy here.  Would you deny health care for someone who is obese, but eats at McDonald's every day?  Would someone who develops lung cancer or emphysema from legally smoking cigarettes be ineligible for your plan? 

seriously....talk about slippery slopes

[Cerevant]

More hypocrisy here.

Not hypocrisy.  My views are self consistent, I just don't blindly subscribe to a pre-defined ideology.

Would you deny health care for someone who is obese, but eats at McDonald's every day?

Tough call.  In part it depends on if the obesity is in part due to some congenital defect.  I would have no problem with making continuing treatment contingent on following a healthy eating plan.

Would someone who develops lung cancer or emphysema from legally smoking cigarettes be ineligible for your plan?

Yep.  If you want to kill yourself, go for it.  Just don't come asking me to pay when you realize that you made a mistake.  

You sure don't sound like a proponent of universal socialized medicine to me.

I'm a moderate.  I'm for doing what makes the most sense.

I am in favor of universal basic health care - but I explained that in another thread.  I do not believe that people who knowingly and willfully harm their own health deserve the same access to care that people who are random victims of disease, genetic disorders, or genuine accidents.

[ice grillin you]

denying a human being health care for any reason is one of the most outrageous things ive ever heard of

[SunMo]

and people who use too much salt on their food are ineligible because it contributes to high blood pressure

and people who drink more than an pre-determined weekly average amount of alcohol are ineligible because of liver damage it does

Demolition Man wasn't that far-fetched after all it seems

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Is "self consistent" a fancy way to say that your own mind doesn't recognize your own hypocrisy?

[ice grillin you]

what about people at fault in car accidents do they get medical treatment?...hell no they dont....lol


really why have jails anymore since they cost the taxpayer money...committ a crime you get the death penalty 24 hrs after your vedict...


hell if im paying for other peoples mistakes

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Demolition Man wasn't that far-fetched after all it seems

John Spartan, you are fined 1 credit for violation of the Verbal Morality Statute.

Be well.

[Cerevant]

The obesity scenario got me thinking, and there probably is a middle ground.  Make continuing treatment conditional on managing the condition.  Heart disease?  Keep that BP and cholesterol down.  Liver disease?  No drinky fo you.  

I think a second chance is worthwhile in many cases.  But it sickens me to waste health care dollars on preventable disease/injury.

Another option is to make coverage similar to dental plans - preventative and emergency care is covered 100%  Fillings and crowns?  80%  or even 50%  Give people an incentive to take care of themselves without taking away choice.

[Father Demon]

really why have jails anymore since they cost the taxpayer money...commit a [vicious (ed. by Demon)] crime you get the death penalty 24 hrs after your verdict...

Where do I sign a petition for this one becoming law?

[ice grillin you]

there will be one in hell for you to sign

[Sgt PSN]

This is one of those things where I personally don't care if the gov't has my palm prints, finger prints or ass prints.  At the same time, I think it's wrong to force it upon the nation.  I wouldn't mind sacrificing that liberty but certainly understand why not everyone feels the same way. 

Your point being?  Or are you just quoting me because I'm awesome?  Just because I'm ok with sacrificing some of my own civil liberties doesn't mean that it's the best thing for the greater good.  I really don't care if the government has all that stuff on me if I voluntarilly give them.  

[Sgt PSN]

Demolition Man wasn't that far-fetched after all it seems

Especially if The Governator becomes President. 

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

there will be one in hell for you to sign

He can borrow a pen, or a machete, from Sean Taylor.

[ice grillin you]

Your point being?  Or are you just quoting me because I'm awesome?  Just because I'm ok with sacrificing some of my own civil liberties doesn't mean that it's the best thing for the greater good.  I really don't care if the government has all that stuff on me if I voluntarilly give them.  

i found it funny that youre willing to give up some profound personal privacys yet then listed all the ways banning cigarettes in bars is going to lead to america being a virtual police state

really tho it furthers my point that this primarily is not about rights of business' or individuals but its about smokers vs non smokers