With the First Pick in the 2008 NFL Draft, the Philadelphia Eagles Select...

Started by Pissed Off, September 18, 2007, 04:55:39 PM

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PoopyfaceMcGee

While you guys all whine, how were you planning on protecting the QB over the next 2-5 years?  Both Runyan and Thomas are in their twilight, and Justice has been bad in his playing time.  Even if you think a Herremans-MJG-Jackson-Andrews-Justice line might be somewhat passable, there are certainly other positions that would be LESS helpful for the Eagles to take in the 1st.

Munson

Yeah it would make sense to draft a tackle in the first round, especially if you're having doubts about Justice at this point. The good news is if they draft another tackle hopefully it means keeping Andrews in at guard forever.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 01, 2008, 05:10:48 PM
perhaps you could explain sd's reasons for "disliking" it as well since you seem to be so in tune with other peoples minds

ice grillin you

it makes sense if you arent worrying about winning next year or the year after...it also screams we farged up on justice and adds to their list of first day drafts busts
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igy gettin it done like warrick

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Munson

To be fair they got Justice at a point in the draft where nobody thought he'd be. He was an all or nothing pick, and at that point in the draft it was worth the risk. And hell maybe they know something about Thomas/Runyan's health and/or future with the team that we don't at this point.

But really there's not many players they can draft that scream "we'll win now with this guy on our team". Anyone they draft at the #19 slot's impact most likely won't be felt for a couple years. And it certainly won't vault them to the super bowl. A tackle in the first round this year=two CB's and a SS in the 02 draft.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 01, 2008, 05:10:48 PM
perhaps you could explain sd's reasons for "disliking" it as well since you seem to be so in tune with other peoples minds

Rome

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 30, 2008, 08:33:07 AM
it makes sense if you arent worrying about winning next year or the year after...it also screams we farged up on justice and adds to their list of first day drafts busts

Exactamundo.

If they don't give a farg about winning next year then they should trade McNabb and start stocking up on the draft picks now.

If they're serious about being contenders next year then they should go balls out for one more run at it.  Sadly, what they'll likely do is a mixture of the two.  They'll draft for the future AND ignore the present because that's what they do.

And it's farging infuriating.

Munson

Again...who can they draft at #19 that takes them from 8-8 team to super bowl contender?

No one.

This is one year where a tackle in the first round isn't completely appalling to me. I'd rather see dline or safety/CB help, but both the starting tackles are old and the main back up looked like crap in his one NFL game.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 01, 2008, 05:10:48 PM
perhaps you could explain sd's reasons for "disliking" it as well since you seem to be so in tune with other peoples minds

Rome

What takes them from 8-8 to a contender is playmakers on offense and defense that can be gotten via free agency, trade or the draft, Munson.

Again, either you roll the dice one last time and hope that Runyan & Thomas hold out or you start the entire rebuilding process immediately.

You don't do both at the same time.

ice grillin you

totally agree romey...i dont get why you keep mcnabb and then draft a tackle that isnt going to play for two years...draft secondary help or wr/kr or hell trade your number one for roy williams...

this pick makes no sense and would further the theories that the eagles just wanna be good enough to make a run at the playoffs every year and nothing more
i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

PoopyfaceMcGee

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 30, 2008, 08:39:45 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 30, 2008, 08:33:07 AM
it makes sense if you arent worrying about winning next year or the year after...it also screams we farged up on justice and adds to their list of first day drafts busts

Exactamundo.

If they don't give a farg about winning next year then they should trade McNabb and start stocking up on the draft picks now.

If they're serious about being contenders next year then they should go balls out for one more run at it.  Sadly, what they'll likely do is a mixture of the two.  They'll draft for the future AND ignore the present because that's what they do.

And it's farging infuriating.

The draft isn't where they'd go "balls out" to make "one more run".  Plus, there have been rumors of Runyan and/or Thomas retiring BEFORE next season.  If that's the case, stocking up on OL may be the only way to avoid the window slamming shut.

Munson

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 30, 2008, 08:46:06 AM
What takes them from 8-8 to a contender is playmakers on offense and defense that can be gotten via free agency, trade or the draft, Munson.

Again, either you roll the dice one last time and hope that Runyan & Thomas hold out or you start the entire rebuilding process immediately.

You don't do both at the same time.

Right, but they're not going to get a playmaker on offense or defense at pick #19 that is going to have any huge impact THIS YEAR.

I agree that they should add some guys in FA or trade, namely 2nd rounder for Roy Williams.

But the article is stating that if the Eagles stay at 19, they might go with a tackle. And I'll I'm saying is this is one year where, if they stay put, I'd be okay with another offensive lineman. But who knows, maybe they try and move up to get that play maker that allows them for one more shot. I'm certainly all for that as well. We all know Reid likes to try and make moves during the draft.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 01, 2008, 05:10:48 PM
perhaps you could explain sd's reasons for "disliking" it as well since you seem to be so in tune with other peoples minds

Rome

Logic is like kryptonite around here.

If Runyan or Thomas retires, then YES, you have to replace him now.  I'm assuming they both stick around for at least one more year.  You guys get that, right?

Jesus...

Munson

Even if they stick around for one more year, it still makes sense in this draft, which isn't exactly overflowing with talent, to get a guy at the 19th slot that could take over for one of the two after next year.

If they don't get that guy now, who knows what other needs they'll have next year, along with needing another young tackle when Willtra or Runyan croak. Reid likes having his linemen come up through his system, and it's a way of thinking that has actually worked well. The offensive line, which was terrible for a few years before Reid, has become someone consistent and even stellar at times. They like bringing their linemen in their rookie year and keeping them here, rather then going out and signing big name vets. LeCharles Bently IS at the Novacare Complex, though.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 01, 2008, 05:10:48 PM
perhaps you could explain sd's reasons for "disliking" it as well since you seem to be so in tune with other peoples minds

ice grillin you

youre a moron munson...you actually think no first rounders (and drafted players in general) make impacts for their teams...wtf?

and even if runyan and thomas both retire this year this pick doesnt nothing for them sort term...the guy is not gonna be ready to play until at least year two...he needs big time weight and strength gain and he needs to elarn technique...if runyan and/or thomas retire this offseason (and i dont think they are) then the eagles will fill their spots from inside (herremans) and sign a veteran free agent...david williams is not a short term solution of any kind
i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

PoopyfaceMcGee

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 30, 2008, 08:55:44 AM
Logic is like kryptonite around here.

If Runyan or Thomas retires, then YES, you have to replace him now.  I'm assuming they both stick around for at least one more year.  You guys get that, right?

Jesus...

Hey, brain surgeon, what's more helpful... a skill player that won't see the field in 2008 or an offensive tackle that could step in and do at least a passable job?

Your density is epic here.  When was the last time the Eagles took someone in the first round with the intention of having him start as a rookie?  2004.  Shawn Andrews.  Offensive lineman.

Tell me, genius... who do you see at pick #19 that would fulfill your desire to get a difference maker for this season?

Munson

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 30, 2008, 09:04:58 AM
youre a moron munson...you actually think no first rounders (and drafted players in general) make impacts for their teams...wtf?

I'd like to refer you to the last sentence of Freddie's latest post.

Who are the Eagles taking at 19 that makes a big enough impact on the team this year to get them to a SB?
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 01, 2008, 05:10:48 PM
perhaps you could explain sd's reasons for "disliking" it as well since you seem to be so in tune with other peoples minds