With the First Pick in the 2008 NFL Draft, the Philadelphia Eagles Select...

[BigEd76]

I'd be pissed if they lost out and took another offensive lineman, so now they won out, gained confidence.....and will take a worse offensive lineman... 

[methdeez]

Can anyone show me anything, anywhere that shows picking higher in the first round leads to better success?
No.
Because it doesn't.
FO did a big study actually showing the opposite, over the last 15 years.

The top ten players are just as likely to be good or bad as the bottom ten players.
The only difference is that you owe them less garunteed money, and so you can cut them easier if they suck.

Picking higher means nothing. I know you all want to get excited about the draft, and position, and this fast dude over this over fast dude, but it doesn't really matter where you pick.

So the Eagles should win as many damn games as they can, especially over the goddamn cowboys you goddamn cowards. I can't believe some of you would willingly trade 3 slots in the goddamn draft to let the Cowboys and Jerry Jones win over our goddamn team. I would trade 9 goddamn McDoogles for another win in Cowboys stadium.

[ice grillin you]

you do realize the higher you pick the more chance you get the player you want right?


FO did a big study actually showing the opposite, over the last 15 years.

link?



lol @ the cowboys obsession...would you trade 9 shawn andrews for a meaningless dallas win?...cause you do know that the eagles had to trade UP to get him

[methdeez]

you do realize the higher you pick the more chance you get the player you want right?

FO did a big study actually showing the opposite, over the last 15 years.

link?

What I am saying is that getting the player that you want does not improve your team. B/C in the long run they are just as good/bad as the player that you want less, who you now owe less money.

I've posted that study like twice already, I'm not going back to look for it again. I am challenging somebody to show me show me something in the other direction.

Here's players picked after Andrews:
Vince Wilfork, Steven Jackson, Chris Snee, Julius Jones, Bob Sanders, Michael Boulware, Nick Hardwick, Bernard Berrian, Chris Cooley, Reggie Torbor, Nathan Vasher, Robert Geathers, Jared Allen, Michael Turner, D.J. Hackett, Patrick Crayton.

I don't want to get into an argument about who they needed or who they should have picked. What I am saying is that draft position is meaningless, especially by a few slots.
To lose that draft position by picking up a win over the Cowboys is losing nothing and gaining moral superiority over those fat arrongant Cowboys fans you see in every corner of the globe.
Maybe we should just thow a whole season so we can draft Robert Gallery? How's that sound?
Winning is never bad, don't make me bring back Ray Rhodes to prove my point.

[ice grillin you]

so basically all youre saying is that its possible for a player to be better than a player thats picked ahead of him

[Rome]

I still don't understand why you mock our "obsession" with the Cowboys when your obsession with hating the taterskins borders on lunacy, bro.

Seriously...

[methdeez]

so basically all youre saying is that its possible for a player to be better than a player thats picked ahead of him

I am saying that the uncertain possibility that the higher person is better is more than outwieghed by the definite reality of thier higher cost.
Do you really not understand, or are you just bored at work?

Wait, I think I just answered my own question..

[ice grillin you]

I still don't understand why you mock our "obsession" with the Cowboys when your obsession with hating the taterskins borders on lunacy, bro.

Seriously...

negative chief
i hate taterskin fans not the team
and i dont nearly obsess with them
for example
i would much rather have a higher draft pick
than beat them in a meaningless game

im still perplexed that people
would rather beat the cowboys
than have a much better draft pick
thats not possible and i refuse to believe you could really feel that way
then again i dont understand the dallas thing either so...

[ice grillin you]

so basically all youre saying is that its possible for a player to be better than a player thats picked ahead of him

I am saying that the uncertain possibility that the higher person is better is more than outwieghed by the definite reality of thier higher cost.
Do you really not understand, or are you just bored at work?

Wait, I think I just answered my own question..

the difference in cost btwn the 9th and 19th pick is miniscule in terms of the entire salary cap...and if you are saying youd rather have the 19th pick than the first pick then youve lost it...frankly you sound a lot like joe banner would sound in a pre draft organizational meeting

[methdeez]

so basically all youre saying is that its possible for a player to be better than a player thats picked ahead of him

the difference in cost btwn the 9th and 19th pick is miniscule in terms of the entire salary cap...and if you are saying youd rather have the 19th pick than the first pick then youve lost it...frankly you sound a lot like joe banner would sound in a pre draft organizational meeting

The diference in cost isn't miniscule, it's like $10 million.
The diference in talent between Reggie Williams and Vernon Carey seems pretty miniscule to me.
Again, show me something that says otherwise.

I am just trying to inject some actual analysis into the usual sports/hype assumptions.

But I really don't want to talk about it anymore, You win the argument, like usual, by being willing to talk in circles longer than I care to listen.
Congrats. Next year once we decide we can't make the playoffs, or be effective enough in the playoffs to win the SB, like you suggest, let's purposefully lose all of the games so we can be $25 million in the hole to Johnathan Sullivan instead of $10 million in the hole to Calvin Pace.

I'm sure that will make you happy when throw the game to the Cowboys.

[ice grillin you]

The diference in cost isn't miniscule, it's like $10 million.

over the length of the deal...again thats peanuts...the banner swirly lolipop has you in its grip...break away

i cant believe im debating the warrants of a higher draft pick

but if you wanna pick and choose specific instances ill take adrian peterson over jerome mcdougle

[BigEd76]

There's no certainty to the draft except the team picking #1 has their choice of any prospect they want.  All the higher pick guarantees is a better chance at getting a player you're interested in.  After the projected top 7 (Glenn Dorsey, Darren McFadden, Jake Long, Chris Long, Matt Ryan, Vernon Gholston, Sedrick Ellis), the players are all bunched together anyway...

[ice grillin you]

There's no certainty to the draft except the team picking #1 has their choice of any prospect they want.  All the higher pick guarantees is a better chance at getting a player you're interested in.  After the projected top 7 (Glenn Dorsey, Darren McFadden, Jake Long, Chris Long, Matt Ryan, Vernon Gholston, Sedrick Ellis), the players are all bunched together anyway...

you do realize the higher you pick the more chance you get the player you want right?

i agree

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

For arguments sake, let's say there is a drop-off after pick 7.

Is it easier to trade up to get one of those players if you hold pick 8, or pick 19?


For the record, I am arguing both sides of this for my own enjoyment.

[ice grillin you]

i think its funny how all these years the teams in the league with the worst records have been being given the worst picks