Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[ice grillin you]

no you dont have to have their support...what you better have is 100% spot on intelligence in what youre hitting...if we have that on a large al queda camp or operation or of course bin laden then farg what pakistan says you move


this is what we should haven been doing since 2001

[Cerevant]

*snort*  Hillary almost loses to none of the above in Michigan.

I wouldn't say that she almost lost, but clearly, she did not do well at all. Michigan means essentially nothing at this point in the Democratic race however, so I wouldn't put too much stock into it either way.

55% Clinton
40% Uncommitted
5% Kucinich

Make of it what you will.

[Rome]

IGY: You can't ignore what a sovereign nation says and just go traipsing across their borders on military adventures.  We did that shtein in Cambodia & Laos and it was a disaster for this country.  And let's not forget that we need Pakistan as an ally in the region.  Their government might be corrupt and duplicitous but we still need them. 

And let us also not forget that they're an unstable nuclear power.  If we farg with them, we do so at our peril.

[rjs246]

DUPLICITOUS!

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

IGY: You can't ignore what a sovereign nation says and just go traipsing across their borders on military adventures.  We did that shtein in Cambodia & Laos and it was a disaster for this country.  And let's not forget that we need Pakistan as an ally in the region.  Their government might be corrupt and duplicitous but we still need them. 

And let us also not forget that they're an unstable nuclear power.  If we farg with them, we do so at our peril.

Agreed, and I'm sure Barack Obama agrees also.

[ice grillin you]

IGY: You can't ignore what a sovereign nation says and just go traipsing across their borders on military adventures.  We did that shtein in Cambodia & Laos and it was a disaster for this country.  And let's not forget that we need Pakistan as an ally in the region.  Their government might be corrupt and duplicitous but we still need them. 

what are you talking about?...youre acting like wed invade their country and occupy it...we are talking about cruise missling al queda camps in their mountain region...we arent talking about sending in divisons of troops in

and lets not forget if pakistan is harboring al queda in its country then they arent our ally

[Rome]

Launching cruise missiles into another country is a declaration of war against that nation, IGY.  You do understand that, right?

[ice grillin you]

so we were at war with sudan

[Rome]

Unilateral military intervention = declaration of war.

And LOL at the mention of the Sudan.  Talk about apples & oranges...

[ice grillin you]

no it isnt...for one thing only congress can declare war

pakistan might use some decalration of war rhetoric if we did it and they didnt like it...but they wouldnt do a damn thing about it since they know they would be in the wrong...probably a moot point anyway as if we had that kind of intelligence they would undoubtedly give us the go ahead but if for whatever reason they didnt you can be certain we would take action regardless...and it would be the correct move

[Phanatic]

Pakistan has NUKES!! If they don't like what your doing it could get ugly fast. Bombing a country without permission that has nukes would be idiotic! The whole claimed purpose of Nukes is as a deterrant. I feel deterred.

[Rome]

Oh, really?  Congress has formally declared war on only five "wars", the last coming during WW II.

How many "wars" have we fought since then?  Korea, Vietnam, Desert Storm, The Balkans, Afghanistan, Iraq...

[ice grillin you]

youve fallen pray to the bush scare tactics...no country will ever use a nuclear weapon on another again....and thats a fact...not to mention pakistans cant reach england much less the us...and if they were ever gonna use then they would have already hit india as they have had far worse conflict with them than what us hitting al queda over there would be


its a non issue

the real issue is al queda getting nuclear material or a weapon from pakistan....all the more reason to attack al queda if necessary

[Diomedes]

vigy is right in this little tiff

Pakistan is currently harboring Bin Ladin behind the shield of their nukes.  It's a ransom racket, only they have no intention of giving him up.  It would turn their country into outright civil war if they did.  And they have the Nuke, and we don't have the balls...so they say give us money to fight the xtremists.  Money goes to other shtein, not to fighting terrorists.  So we give more money.  But we don't attack...nooo....we're too farging Hoyda for that.

No country who harbors Bin Ladin is a U.S. ally.  If we know where he is, then we go get him.  We tell them we're gonna, so they can prep their people and in the case of Pakistan we probably tell Inida too, so everyone can exhale on that point, and then we do it.

Being kept at bay by some punks with nukes sets an awful awful precedent.

[Rome]

I agree that it sets an awful precedent.  Look at North Korea.  They're a broken, bankrupt and insignificant country being held hostage by a regime of lunatics, yet for whatever reason, we haven't attacked them.  Why is that?

Oh, that's right... they're in possession of nuclear weapons and other WMD's.  They might not use them directly on us or our allies, but they could certainly turn them over to terrorist organizations who wouldn't think twice about it.  The retards running Pakistan are almost as loony and unstable as Kim & his gang of petty thugs. 

And Bin Laden is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.  Take him out and another delusional fool would gladly take his place.  Risking a nuclear conflict over Bin Laden seems to me to be an unnecessary gamble on our part.



One other thing...

no country will ever use a nuclear weapon on another again....and thats a fact.

Hilariously naive.  I sincerely hope the idiots who run this country don't share this pie in the sky viewpoint.