07/08 Phillies Offseason Thread

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

MORE BLACK PLAYERS

[Sgt PSN]

Black people are better at baseball because they're naturally built to withstand the heat. 

[ice grillin you]

they be the tropical peoples

[Seabiscuit36]

Black people are better at baseball because they're naturally built to withstand the heat. 

you forgot the extra calves

[BigEd76]

myers going back to the rotation

and that happened with this move, so why is this a bad trade?  He said he's happy to get out of Houston and thinks he can return to being the dominant closer he was before Pujols destroyed one off the back wall of Minute Maid Park.  He won't cost 5/$55M like Cordero and the Phils couldn't trade for Francisco Rodriguez, so it's about as good as it's going to get for improving the back of the bullpen.  Now they just need some decent relievers, do something about CF/RF, figure out what they're going to do about 3B and get ready for 2008...

[Wingspan]

I don't like this move. For a number of reasons:

Down the stretch the back end of the bullpen with Romero/Geary/Gordon/Myers was a strength. Now it's a "Maybe" with potentially the only one coming back in 08 is 41 year old Gordon? Ha.

Myers the Closer >>> Lidge

Myers as a starter is just not that good. When he goes 13-14 (maybe 14-13) next season with s 4.90 era don't forget all the cries to make him a starter again from this offseason.

This move, like most of Gillick's other moves...will backfire.

[Wingspan]

so it's about as good as it's going to get for improving the back of the bullpen. 

Wrong...Myers was a better closer than Lidge.

Now they just need some decent relievers,

They effectively just got rid of 2 in Myers and Geary

do something about CF/RF,

Like trade away their one promising OF prospect while your every day CF is unsigned?

figure out what they're going to do about 3B and get ready for 2008...

"We're not looking at 3B" - Pat Gillick

Goosebumps

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Ed's right.  It's not like this is exciting, but the team got some possible value from 3 players that no longer had any value to the Phillies.  Myers is capable of being a good starter, which is more than can be said for the gettable FA possibilities.  Etc etc.

They're not going to win the World Series with this move, but it's better than if they still had Geary, Costanzo, and Bourn.

[phattymatty]

He said he's happy to get out of Houston and thinks he can return to being the dominant closer he was

i didn't realize this part.  it's a great trade then. 


i mean seriously, what's he supposed to say?  i definitely am not the pitcher i once was, and i'm just happy to be getting a paycheck somewhere.

[ice grillin you]

myers going back to the rotation

and that happened with this move, so why is this a bad trade?  He said he's happy to get out of Houston and thinks he can return to being the dominant closer he was before Pujols destroyed one off the back wall of Minute Maid Park.  He won't cost 5/$55M like Cordero and the Phils couldn't trade for Francisco Rodriguez, so it's about as good as it's going to get for improving the back of the bullpen.  Now they just need some decent relievers, do something about CF/RF, figure out what they're going to do about 3B and get ready for 2008...

i never said it was a bad trade....im just warning the section of philadelphia sports fans that go bonkers and make every decent/good player aquisition into a blockbuster steal....i think all the makings of a lidge implosion in philly are ripe

if they moved myers to the starting rotation and didnt get lidge i would be happy...so i def dont hate the trade...but like wing said myers is not a great starter to begin with but my main concern with him is does he have it inside of him to be a starter again....it certainly doesnt sound like it....so combine that with a potential lidge implosion and what do you have then?

the positives are that they didnt give up a ton unless constanzo becomes a player and the upside is great if lidge goes back to lights out plus even if myers is 14-12 its still 1 million times better than what they would have in his place

they now need to resign lohse to get eaton out of the rotation or at least have some depth in case of injury or continued incompetance...moyer and eaton blow and kendrick is still a huge ?....they need to have a sixth starter...lohse isnt a terrible guy to get


It's not like this is exciting, but the team got some possible value from 3 players that no longer had any value to the Phillies.  

their possible 3rd basemen of the future has no value?

[BigEd76]

what ridiculous is entertaining the notion that the phillies after just having won their division would sit on their asses and wait for mike farging costanzo to arrive and maybe be a player in three years rather than try to improve a position of need right now is sickening

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

It's not like this is exciting, but the team got some possible value from 3 players that no longer had any value to the Phillies. 

their possible 3rd basemen of the future has no value?

What's his batting average in the fall league?

[ice grillin you]

what ridiculous is entertaining the notion that the phillies after just having won their division would sit on their asses and wait for mike farging costanzo to arrive and maybe be a player in three years rather than try to improve a position of need right now is sickening

please tell me what getting a third basemen this year rather than waiting to see if constanzo develops has to do with anything

It's not like this is exciting, but the team got some possible value from 3 players that no longer had any value to the Phillies. 

their possible 3rd basemen of the future has no value?

What's his batting average in the fall league?

so 34 at bats in the arizona fall league determines his career future?

or should his .270 27 hr and 86 rbi in a full AA season determine it?

[BigEd76]

Less than 2 days ago, he was garbage that might be here in 2010.  Now he's the 3B of the future and has value?

[Rome]

Costanza = Russell Branyan, IGY.  He might make a nice bench player in the big leagues but as far as him being an everyday starting 3rd baseman it just wasn't gonna happen.  He strikes out a ton at the plate and is a walking clusterfarg in the field.

As far as Geary & Bourn go, I can't see how anyone can be upset about those two leaving.  Geary was garbage and Bourn was extremely limited in terms of his upside.  He's a carbon copy of Endy Chavez and if Endy Chavez is what anyone envisions as the starting CF for the Phillies for the next 10 years, please blind yourselves.

PS: LOL at Myers >>> Lidge as a closer.