The 2007 Offseason Thread

[SD_Eagle5]

keep him out of the modern era and he gets his full props...dont bring him into the modern era with the big boys...its not fair to him

The whole point of the 75th anniversary team is comparing the players to their own eras for that exact reason.

Amazing how such a simple voting concept could be so misunderstood

Stopwatches are much different now. Time was slower back then, making his sub-10 second 100 yard dash appear to be faster than it really was. Today it would have been more like 13 seconds.

Classic.  

ha

[ice grillin you]

right i agree...but dont say that tommy mcdonald is as good as mike quick...like zanshin said its a bogus comparison and not close

i think the confusion here is that youre all saying tommy should be on the all time eagle team...and thats different than saying hes the best eagle wr ever

reggie brown is a better wr than tommy mcdonald but he would never belong on an all time eagle team



btw deacon jones ran a sub 10 100 yard dash too...so maybe the stop watches back then were suspect

[Wingspan]

You really need to do a little research before you go off about this stuff. While the notoriously racists taterskins were by far the last to integrate. Integration began in the mid 40's. (before baseball if i remember correctly)

[SD_Eagle5]

right i agree...but dont say that tommy mcdonald is as good as mike quick...

The only way you can compare players from different eras is by comparing them to their respective eras. The end.

[ice grillin you]

You really need to do a little research before you go off about this stuff. While the notoriously racists taterskins were by far the last to integrate. Integration began in the mid 40's.

yeah and blacks werent fully given a 100% fair shot until the 70's...and much later at the qb position and perhaps some others like oline...bottom line is the league in the 50's and 60's did not contain the best players in the world...imagine how many inferior white players were kept on rosters over blacks because of racism...


The only way you can compare players from different eras is by comparing them to their respective eras. The end.

absolutely 100% wrong...stop listening to the old fogies that wanna believe that the game 50 years ago was better than now...if mike quick was in the nfl during the 50's they would have shut down the league for unfairness

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

i think the confusion here is that youre all saying tommy should be on the all time eagle team...and thats different than saying hes the best eagle wr ever

There is no confusion.  That's exactly what the 75th Anniversary team is... an "all time Eagle team".  Derrrrrr.

[ice grillin you]

no because some people were saying hes a better wr than those other guys...not that he deserved to be on the team more

[SD_Eagle5]

The only way you can compare players from different eras is by comparing them to their respective eras. The end.

absolutely 100% wrong...stop listening to the old fogies that wanna believe that the game 50 years ago was better than now...if mike quick was in the nfl during the 50's they would have shut down the league for unfairness

What I'm saying is you can't make a comparison, you can only go by the era that an athlete played in. I'm sure players by todays standards are a lot more athletic then they were then, but you can only judge them in their respective eras. By your logic TO should have gotten the vote over Quick.

[ice grillin you]

By your logic TO should have gotten the vote over Quick

naw i said TO should not make this team

me and you are in total agreement

i was debating with the people like rjs who was trying to say that mcdonald is the best wr the eagles have ever had

[bowzer]

The only way you can compare players from different eras is by comparing them to their respective eras. The end.

absolutely 100% wrong...stop listening to the old fogies that wanna believe that the game 50 years ago was better than now...if mike quick was in the nfl during the 50's they would have shut down the league for unfairness

What I'm saying is you can't make a comparison, you can only go by the era that an athlete played in. I'm sure players by todays standards are a lot more athletic then they were then, but you can only judge them in their respective eras. By your logic TO should have gotten the vote over Quick.

I think some of this argument resembles the whole Shaq/Wilt argument.  Some will argue that Shaq would destroy Wilt because he has so much weight on him, whereas others argue that Wilt was one of the greatest athletes in the world regardless of era.  Additionally, some argue argue that if Wilt were around today, and had the strength and training programs available to him, he'd still be able to dominate like he did in 60s. 

In regards to this current discussion, couldn't it be argued that since these players are from such different time periods, they shouldn't be compared at all.  Football players weren't as big and athletic as they were back then, but what if the players from the 60s had modern day training facilities at their disposal?

[Event Horizon]

Unless you include a bunch of "ifs", there is only one way to judge who belongs on the "75th". You have to go by how important that player was to the team he played on at the time. How important was he to the success of that team? That is the only criterion that isn't loaded with a lot of speculation. Trying to envision guys in different eras is purely hypothetical and so no answer would be better than another. Keep them in their own generation and it's pretty simple- who was the better player at a given position according to the standards of their peers. Immediately, names begin to jump out at you. Bednarik, Westbrook and so on.

[Dillen]

New for 2007! 'Magic Snaps with Jon Dorenbos!'
If you think the team's long snapper has fast hands on the field, just wait until you see him perform amazing slight of hand tricks in this wonderful magic show that will leave you questioning your eyesight and running to the Eagles Eye Mobile for a check up! In addition to his NFL talents, Jon is a frequent Hollywood and Las Vegas headliner who also performs for many private celebrity parties - you won't want to miss this rare opportunity to see him perform live! Tickets available for presale, $10 each.

If this isn't a reason to go to the Eagles Carnival, I don't know what is.

[rjs246]

That snippet makes me wish I wasn't an eagles fan.

[MURP]

classic

[Munson]

It'd be worse if he played a star posistion like WR or QB or sosmethin. Luckily he's just the longsnapper and people don't really pay attention to him.