The 2007 Offseason Thread

[ice grillin you]

I don't care about your position one way or the other-- but you're contradicting yourself while trying to make your own point.  McDonald and Dwight shouldn't be compared...they're really not all that similar-- if Dwight wasn't white, you wouldn't even have reached for that.

they both would be (and were) KR's in this day and age because of their size

its actually a very good comparison

you need to put on your colorblind shades


Why couldn't Tommy McDonald play more like Santana Moss or Steve Smith?

because they are 1000 times more athletic than him
a ton stronger
and faster

tim dwight for example was fast on the track but he didnt have the necessary strength or skills to play wr in this league....tommy would have been even worse than dwight imo

i dont believe for a second that tommy mcdonald was that fast...i think he was very fast for his competition of the day...but he wasnt running away from anyone in todays nfl

the old timers are revising history the same way people today will try to say that someone from 80's was better than a guy today simply because they grew up with them or its the right thing to do by saying a throwback is better than a current guy....and in some cases a definite argument can be made...but when it comes to someone from the 50's like tommy mcdonald its just silly...i call it the chuck bednarik syndrome

hey tho if you think tommy mcdonald is one of the two best eagle wr's ever then by all means cling to it...im obviously not gonna change your brainwashed minds

[ice grillin you]

btw the color aspect comes into this when you consider that the last nfl team (racist taterskins) didnt integrate until the 60's...and it wasnt until years after that when tommy mcdonald wasnt even in the league that blacks truly were given an across the board fair shot at making nfl rosters and starting positions

i choose to leave that part out for fear of the white brigade coming into this thread...and instead focus on mcdoanlds ridiclously small size and his lack of speed and skill as it would translate into todays game

either way the guy just wouldnt even be a starting nfl wr today much less the best eagle wr of all-time...thats just a joke

[Zanshin]

It's a crap comparison, and you know it.  Your aggregate points would be more valid if you'd at least own up to being a doofus on occasion.  As it is, you come across as a know-it-all who can't bear to be at all wrong.  And that's fine, because you do provide some nice inadvertent comic relief.

[Wingspan]

i choose to leave that part out for fear of the white brigade coming into this thread...and instead focus on mcdoanlds ridiclously small size and his lack of speed and skill as it would translate into todays game

You chose to leave that part out...but keep mentioning his "lack of speed." Now that is comedy.

[Zanshin]

btw the color aspect comes into this when you consider that the last nfl team (racist taterskins) didnt integrate until the 60's...and it wasnt until years after that when tommy mcdonald wasnt even in the league that blacks truly were given an across the board fair shot at making nfl rosters and starting positions

i choose to leave that part out for fear of the white brigade coming into this thread...and instead focus on mcdoanlds ridiclously small size and his lack of speed and skill as it would translate into todays game

either way the guy just wouldnt even be a starting nfl wr today much less the best eagle wr of all-time...thats just a joke

But even that arguement is a joke-- who's to say that McDonald wouldn't have been a tenacious speed demon using today's HGH and training techniques?  It's just not that easy to try to take a guy and mentally plug him into today's game.  it's a comparision that isn't even worthy of making.

[Zanshin]

i choose to leave that part out for fear of the white brigade coming into this thread...and instead focus on mcdoanlds ridiclously small size and his lack of speed and skill as it would translate into todays game

You chose to leave that part out...but keep mentioning his "lack of speed." Now that is comedy.

Well, what he meant was that he wanted you to know exactly what he was getting at without being really clear, that way he could word weasel his way out when things didn't go his way.

[ice grillin you]

It's just not that easy to try to take a guy and mentally plug him into today's game.  it's a comparision that isn't even worthy of making.

thank you

there is no comparison...i dont know why people think he would translate to being a hall of fame wr in todays game...it simply wouldnt happen...some players could make that jump...jim brown for example would be a hof'er in any era...a 5/8 170 wr...not so much

and if he couldnt make that leap then theres no way he can be the eagles best all time wr...its ludicous

thats all im saying

[ice grillin you]

You chose to leave that part out...but keep mentioning his "lack of speed." Now that is comedy.

i said numerous times against the inferior competition of the 50's and 60's he had some speed...in todays game not so much...hed be just another scattershot type punt/kick returner

[Wingspan]

You chose to leave that part out...but keep mentioning his "lack of speed." Now that is comedy.

i said numerous times against the inferior competition of the 50's and 60's he had some speed...in todays game not so much...hed be just another scattershot type punt/kick returner

Wrong

[rjs246]

Stopwatches are much different now. Time was slower back then, making his sub-10 second 100 yard dash appear to be faster than it really was. Today it would have been more like 13 seconds.

[Wingspan]

Football was also played downhill then. BOTH WAYS!

[ice grillin you]

Stopwatches are much different now. Time was slower back then, making his sub-10 second 100 yard dash appear to be faster than it really was. Today it would have been more like 13 seconds.

number one track speed does not equal football speed...anyone knows that

secondly 100 yard dash times means little in football

and lastly its not how fast he was its how fast his opponents were...guys in the league now are way faster not to mention stronger

and thats if he even really ran the 100 that fast....where is the definitive proof...or is it some passed on fable that people like diddy claim as gospel now

he didnt go up against the best players in his era as many of them werent allowed in the league...so how would you ever put him up against the best of all time...keep him out of the modern era and he gets his full props...dont bring him into the modern era with the big boys...its not fair to him

[Zanshin]

lol...you are so full of shtein.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

keep him out of the modern era and he gets his full props...dont bring him into the modern era with the big boys...its not fair to him

The whole point of the 75th anniversary team is comparing the players to their own eras for that exact reason.

[Rome]

Stopwatches are much different now. Time was slower back then, making his sub-10 second 100 yard dash appear to be faster than it really was. Today it would have been more like 13 seconds.

Classic.