2007 Flyers Offseason Thread

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

You think you could take him?

[ice grillin you]

not even a question




this is a lot of money...but more than that the dual 6 year contracts are to long imo

Philly then signed Timonen to a six-year, $37.8 million contract and Hartnell to a six-year, $25.2 million deal.

[Philly Crew]

flyers traded the nashville #1 pick for hartnell and timonnen

outstanding move

I don't know if its outstanding but I'll be interested to read/see more of them.

[ice grillin you]

you mean you wanna see them play over the next six years before you deem it a good move or not?


a number one pick for two of the top FA's on the market is OUTSTANDING

tho i do question giving a 32 year old a six year deal

[BigEd76]

He could have gotten $7M/yr on the open market.  The Flyers did a move like this before with Phoenix for exclusive rights to Roenick.

I think they still have over $10 to play with as well.  Gomez?

4 of Nashville's good players and a 3rd rd pick for 2 months of Forsberg....ha!

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Hilarity would ensue if they also got Forsberg back, but I hope they let someone else pay for his 25 healthy games a year.

[Seabiscuit36]

Great Deal, as Ed said, it was a given that Timonen would fetch 7mil on the open market.  His contract is supposedly front loaded at 8 per then goes down to 3 and 2 mill the final 2 years making him manageable.  The Hartnell trade was a Banner like contract.  Going at projections, they paid him.  He's a fiesty Knuble. 

[ice grillin you]

the yearly price isnt what concerns me....six years is...and i dont believe for a second that anyone was giving him six years at 7 million per...that just wasnt gonna happen...im happy they got him but be prepared to eat possibly the last half of that contract


4 of Nashville's good players and a 3rd rd pick for 2 months of Forsberg....ha!

thats sounds good but it really didnt work that way...this deal is completely independant of the forsberg deal and the fact that nashville was going to lose both these guys in my mind doesnt even make this a trade....more like the fleysr are giving a first round pick as comepnsation for siging these two guys...they basically were restricted free agents

another black eye for the nhl as far as im concerned and more proof that they ahve about ten too many teams

[Seabiscuit36]

True, or that the Cap doesnt work in the NHL.  The problem is the crazy bidding that would have occured if these guys hit the market. 

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

The NHL has no less than 14 too many teams.

[Seabiscuit36]

Article from a guy i trust

Bill Meltzer Crashes the Timonen & Hartnell Party

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Judging by the early response to the Flyers-Predators trade, I may be the only person with some reservations from a Philadelphia standpoint.

On the surface, it's a great deal for Philadelphia, but:

1) Timonen-- a rock solid defenseman who will add a lot to the Philadelphia blueline-- is 32 years old and the team will be taking a $6.3 million cap hit on him until he's 38. He's worth that right now. Will he be worth that five and six years out?

2) Hartnell is a heart-and-soul type forward who will help Philadelphia-- one of the poorest puck possession teams in the NHL--on the forecheck and add something to the second powerplay unit. The real question with him is whether he's a $4 million player.

I'd say yes if he solidifies the second line. If he's a third liner, no.

3) Lastly, from a draft/ player development standpoint, the Flyers have said they really want to start rounding out the depth in the organization. Well, while that can be done in later rounds, the odds are better when you are picking a little higher. After making the second overall pick, the Flyers will now not be picking again until the third round.

One way of looking at it is the Flyers beat the free agency spending rush and may have paid somewhat (but not a whole heap) less for Timonen and possibly Hartnell than they would on the open market.

Clearly, the players' agents and the Flyers were in contact (with Nashville's blessing) throughout this process. From the agents' perspective, they merely get to cash in early at figures that aren't all THAT far away from what they'd have gotten on the open market.

Another interpretation is that Philadelphia has complicated life for their scouting department to acquire two players they may well have been able sign anyway as unrestricted free agents on July 1.

[ice grillin you]

His contract is supposedly front loaded at 8 per then goes down to 3 and 2 mill the final 2 years making him manageable


if this is true then it makes a lot more sense

[BigEd76]

In the NHL, they can make the deals whatever they want, but in terms of the salary cap, it's spread evenly like an NFL signing bonus...

[Rome]

If Timonen hit the market he likely would have gotten a max deal from someone.  He was one of the top two defensive free agents and it's not as if elite defensemen like him grow on trees.

I called it in April.  They made Timonen their #1 priority and rather than get into a bidding war with other teams, they got him on their own terms and didn't have to give up much to get him.  Plus they get a very good player in Hartnell to boot.

Not seeing the downside here even if Bill Meltzer is.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Bill Meltzer would like the downside of your sack.