Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

phattymatty · May 17, 2007, 10:09:49 AM

Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on May 17, 2007, 10:08:11 AM
Immigrations is fine, illegally getting here isnt. Why is that so hard to understand.

who would cut my grass, wash my dishes when eating out, or pick my fruit then?

rjs246 · May 17, 2007, 10:12:29 AM

Quote from: phattymatty on May 17, 2007, 10:07:45 AM
at least you're basing your decision on reputable sources like this board.

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Rome · May 17, 2007, 10:16:37 AM

Quote from: rjs246 on May 17, 2007, 10:12:29 AM
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I'd follow this bastich through the gates of Hell...

phattymatty · May 17, 2007, 10:18:40 AM

Quote from: rjs246 on May 17, 2007, 10:12:29 AM
Your face is gay.

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arthur branch for president.

ice grillin you · May 17, 2007, 10:20:47 AM

I'm just saying that he's a breath of fresh air from the run of the mill republicans these days.

he may be a breath of fresh air because hes not a robot...he thinks for himself and seems honest in his beliefs more than most...but that doesnt make some of his beliefs any less insane

im absolutely 100% against anyone who believes the federal govt should be eliminated...the fed govts priorities need to obviously be re-examined but the existence of it is crucial

also i have a huge problem with a libertarian being anti abortion at any level...if youre truly for individual choice and personal freedom then that is one area you should be steadfastly pro choice

and i am 100% against school prayer...and he wanst the contstituiton changed to allow it...so are you for less federal involvment or not

he always talk too about how the original constitution should be followed to the letter...i comepletely disagree with that...but if thats what he believes then why the need for ammendments like the school prayer one...seperation of church and state no?

i def think theres a need for voices like ron paul in the govt...and a few more of them couldnt hurt...but no one like that should be running our country

Rome · May 17, 2007, 10:21:12 AM

Russians don't take a dump without a plan, Son...

PoopyfaceMcGee · May 17, 2007, 10:23:38 AM

Libertarianism is the polar opposite of IGY's political beliefs, so Ron Paul should be his least favorite candidate of all.

ice grillin you · May 17, 2007, 10:28:17 AM

so Ron Paul should be his least favorite candidate of all.

its irrelevant because he has not a prayer of winning but anyone running under the label of the republican party would be tied for my least favorite candidate

so you would be correct

Cerevant · May 17, 2007, 10:34:57 AM

Quote from: ice grillin you on May 17, 2007, 10:20:47 AM
im absolutely 100% against anyone who believes the federal govt should be eliminated...the fed govts priorities need to obviously be re-examined but the existence of it is crucial

He isn't against it being eliminated, just minimized to what the constitution intended - to oversee interstate commerce and national defense.

Quotealso i have a huge problem with a libertarian being anti abortion at any level...if youre truly for individual choice and personal freedom then that is one area you should be steadfastly pro choice

I don't see how being against abortion legislation is not pro choice. Yes, he personally thinks abortion is wrong, but that is not relevant - he doesn't believe there should be federal laws abolishing it.

Quoteand i am 100% against school prayer...and he wanst the contstituiton changed to allow it...so are you for less federal involvment or not

Federal laws banning school prayer is federal involvement. Federal laws allowing anything is silly - anything that isn't forbidden is allowed by default. I don't think the law / amendment is necessary, but I don't see anything offensive in it.

Quotehe always talk too about how the original constitution should be followed to the letter...i comepletely disagree with that...but if thats what he believes then why the need for ammendments like the school prayer one...seperation of church and state no?

That's the point of amendments - if the letter of the law no longer applies, you need to change it. I don't think there is a conflict here.

I'm not crazy about the proposed amendment - as I said, it is pointless. There should be no laws against any kind of prayer (first amendment), so making a law to allow it is redundant.

Quotei def think theres a need for voices like ron paul in the govt...and a few more of them couldnt hurt...but no one like that should be running our country

I wouldn't want him running my state or local government - the areas where I disagree with him are areas he thinks should be governed by local policy. I don't have to agree with his views on local policy if he's running the federal government - I only care about his federal policy.

ice grillin you · May 17, 2007, 10:46:12 AM

I don't see how being against abortion legislation is not pro choice. Yes, he personally thinks abortion is wrong, but that is not relevant - he doesn't believe there should be federal laws abolishing it.

he supports state laws banning abortion tho...yes he says it should be up to the states but he would vote for such a law...to me saying well its not a federal law is a cop out...i dont want someone in office who is for taking away a womans right to choose....period

He isn't against it being eliminated, just minimized to what the constitution intended - to oversee interstate commerce and national defense.

among other agencies he wants the irs and the dept of education both gone...like today....

i think thats crazy...im for reform of these agencies not abolition

Federal laws banning school prayer is federal involvement.

then as far as im concerned ron is against the seperation of church and state

Federal laws allowing anything is silly - anything that isn't forbidden is allowed by default

i agree....but that doesnt mean everything should be allowed...and one of these things is public school prayer

rjs246 · May 17, 2007, 10:49:51 AM

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Cerevant · May 17, 2007, 11:01:22 AM

Quote from: ice grillin you on May 17, 2007, 10:46:12 AM
he supports state laws banning abortion tho...yes he says it should be up to the states but he would vote for such a law...to me saying well its not a federal law is a cop out...i dont want someone in office who is for taking away a womans right to choose....period

The problem with the US is that it really is two different countries. Why not allow those two countries to operate as they choose as long as it doesn't interfere with the operation of the other? If you don't like it, move to the other side...

We'll agree to disagree on this point

QuoteFederal laws banning school prayer is federal involvement.

then as far as im concerned ron is against the seperation of church and state?

I don't see how you draw that conclusion. First of all, separation of church and state is not explicitly in the constitution, it is implied from the first amendment. Still the first amendment is a double edged sword:

From the constitution:

QuoteCongress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Congress shall make no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion.

A law banning prayer in any form or place would violate the first amendment.

ice grillin you · May 17, 2007, 11:10:04 AM

The problem with the US is that it really is two different countries. Why not allow those two countries to operate as they choose as long as it doesn't interfere with the operation of the other? If you don't like it, move to the other side...

IN

Congress shall make no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion

i believe religion should be kept in the home and church....i dont think youre "free" to exercise it in public schools where it can potentially impact my child

Phanatic · May 17, 2007, 11:13:45 AM

This guy is fascinating. He wants to bring the 'Old Right' back to the republican party.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Right_%28United_States%29

Cerevant · May 17, 2007, 11:16:17 AM

Quote from: ice grillin you on May 17, 2007, 11:10:04 AM
The problem with the US is that it really is two different countries. Why not allow those two countries to operate as they choose as long as it doesn't interfere with the operation of the other? If you don't like it, move to the other side...

IN

This is the crux of the Libertarian, anti-federal view. Instead of two countries, it is 50 states. Each state can make its own laws and adapt to local culture and custom. You probably wouldn't find prayer in schools in Boston, but you might find it in Arkansas. Abortion would probably be illegal in Texas, but legal in California.

And most importantly, no one in Washington DC would be sitting around trying to make moral judgments that would apply to 300 million people.