Kevin Kolb, Philadelphia Eagle

[ice grillin you]

funny that out of stallworth and moss stallworth is the one that has to stay focused and mature...good stuff romey

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

My only complaint about Stallworth was his health.  His maturity and attitude were never anything but stellar.

I'm not knocking Stallworth at all.  I just think Kevin Curtis deserves a fair shake and that the WR's are capable of making a lot of plays this year, even without Stallworth.

[Rome]

Where exactly did I say that Moss didn't?

[Rome]

His maturity and attitude were never anything but stellar.

In Philly, yes.  In New Orleans, that's just plain incorrect.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

In New Orleans, that's just plain incorrect.

So?

[rjs246]

These conversations get dumber and dumber by the second.

[ice grillin you]

Where exactly did I say that Moss didn't?

you said moss will have TO numbers if brady gets him the ball enough...whereas stallworth is a question mark who has to stay mature and focused

the irony here is that moss is one of the most deliquent immature players in league history and its him that has to stay mature and focused to be successful...its him that has to accept playing in the new england offense where there is no number one wr and the guy whos open gets the ball

[Rome]

Moss has never been mature or focused.  He's always gotten by on raw talent yet he's still been one of the best receivers ever to play the game.

Stallworth isn't even close to being in Moss's league talentwise or production-wise.  In order to be productive he has to remain focused, especially now that he's not the go-to guy.

[Phanatic]

You guys are arguing about nothing. Is it fun?

[phattymatty]

i could go for some blueberry waffles right now.

[Rome]

i could go for some blueberry waffles right now.

I just had mozzarella sticks from Sonic.

Good shtein.

[BigEd76]

2nd and 3rd-round quarterbacks taken since 2000:

2006 #49 (2) = Jets took Kellen Clemens (Pennington)
2006 #64 (2) = Vikings took Tarvaris Jackson
2006 #81 (3) = Chargers took Charlie Whitehurst (Rivers)
2006 #85 (3) = Chiefs took Brodie Croyle (Huard)
2005 #67 (3) = Browns took Charlie Frye (groomed but replaced)
2005 #69 (3) = Raiders took Andrew Walter (groomed but replaced)
2004 #90 (3) = Falcons took Matt Schaub (Vick)
2003 #88 (3) = Texans took Dave Ragone (Carr)
2003 #97 (3) = Buccaneers took Chris Simms (groomed but replaced)
2002 #81 (3) = Cardinals took Josh McCown (groomed but replaced)
2001 #32 (2) = Chargers took Drew Brees
2001 #53 (2) = Cowboys took Quincy Carter (bust)
2001 #59 (2) = Raiders took Marques Tuiasosopo (bust)
2000 #65 (3) = 49ers took Giovanni Carmazzi (bust)
2000 #75 (3) = Ravens took Chris Redman (bust)

Not exactly a guarantee that Kolb is going to replace McNabb at all...

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Not exactly a guarantee that Kolb is going to replace McNabb at all...

No shtein, Sherlock.  Note the one thing that is constant about that list...

2006 #49 (2) = Jets took Kellen Clemens (Pennington) - Jets were unsure of Pennington's injury status and took Clemens as insurance.
2006 #64 (2) = Vikings took Tarvaris Jackson - Vikings only had Brad Johnson and needed a QB of the future
2006 #81 (3) = Chargers took Charlie Whitehurst (Rivers) - Insurance policy in case the unproven Rivers couldn't cut it
2006 #85 (3) = Chiefs took Brodie Croyle (Huard) - Trent Green aging and in need of young replacement
2005 #67 (3) = Browns took Charlie Frye (groomed but replaced) - Needed a QB desperately
2005 #69 (3) = Raiders took Andrew Walter (groomed but replaced) - Needed a QB desperately
2004 #90 (3) = Falcons took Matt Schaub (Vick) - This is possibly the only one on the list that actually was taken primarily as a backup... but there still were and certainly are questions about Vick's staying power at QB.
2003 #88 (3) = Texans took Dave Ragone (Carr) - Carr was unproven and needed a backup and/or someone to push him.  Ragone just sucked even worse.
2003 #97 (3) = Buccaneers took Chris Simms (groomed but replaced) - He was taken to be a starter and still technically is.
2002 #81 (3) = Cardinals took Josh McCown (groomed but replaced) - He's bounced around... but AGAIN, the intention was for him to start.
2001 #32 (2) = Chargers took Drew Brees - Obviously, he was taken to play and start.
2001 #53 (2) = Cowboys took Quincy Carter (bust) - Yep.  Again... Jones thought he was the black Jesus.
2001 #59 (2) = Raiders took Marques Tuiasosopo (bust) - Another failed attempt by the Raiders to get a successor to the ancient Rich Gannon
2000 #65 (3) = 49ers took Giovanni Carmazzi (bust) - Tabbed to replace Steve Young, he instead sucked anus.
2000 #75 (3) = Ravens took Chris Redman (bust) - Ravens certainly wanted to plug in a better and younger QB than Dilfer.

It's inarguable that most of the guys listed there were taken by teams with the INTENT of having them start, so if your only point is to say that Kolb might not pan out in the NFL... no shtein.  If you're trying to say the Eagles have no INTENTION of starting him, you're simply wrong.

[ice grillin you]

you mean all players dont pan out in the nfl?

also im not gonna go thru the list but how many of those qb's were the first pick made by the respective club

im gonna guess most of them were the second or even third pick of the draft and thus were more towards being a luxury pick

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Pick # for their respective teams from that list:

Redman - 3
Carmazzi - 5
Tuiasosopo - 2
Walter - 3
Carter - 1
Brees - 2
Whitehurst - 3
McCown - 3
Simms - 2
Ragone - 5
Schaub - 3
Frye - 3
Croyle - 3
Jackson - 4
Clemens - 3
Kolb - 1

No doubt the Cowboys were picking Carter to be a starting QB.
All the guys picked 2nd were obviously picked with the intention of starting also.