The 2007 Offseason Thread

[Feva]

If you really think McNabb won't be right until '08... you might wanna read up on ACL tears.  I guess Javon Walker wasn't "right" this past season when he had the 2nd most productive year of his career helped by studs Plummer and Cutler.

You also know them letting Stallworth go had nothing to do with McNabb's condition.  Evidenced by the fact that they signed another WR for "more" money.

C'mon, igs...

[mussa]

keep throwing in fuel IGY

[ice grillin you]

well i disagree about mcnabb...walker had his surgery in sept...and he even said he didnt feel right until a month into the season...mcnabb had his surgery in december...three months after walker...getting holcomb tells me that even the eagles arent sure about mcnabbs availability for the upcoming season

but if youre corect then the team has no defense for what theyve done...i was giving them the benefit of the doubt that the reason they havent improved the team this offseason is because they know they have no shot at the superbowl because of the qb position

because if mcnabb is gonna come back 100% both physically and mentally as you say and this is the team they are going in with then they should be ashamed of themselves

over half the starters on the defense are 30+ so there damn well should be some urgency to win a title now (not to mention the pro bowl qb is into his 30's with a long injury history)...especially with the young players on the defense being no good....whats gonna happen in two years?...this defense is gonna be horrendous

there should have been substantial improvements THIS offseason on a team that was a few plays away from the nfc title game...instead they are just treading water

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

I don't understand how anyone could believe that there is zero chance McNabb starts the season on the bench in the final stages of rehab.  He had a very severe injury.  His and Jevon Kearse's availability and effectiveness are far from givens.  That said, if they both are back to 100% fairly early in the season, I think the FO is still hoping for a run in 2007 and not necessarily planning for '08.

They wouldn't have received Kelly Holcomb in the deal if McNabb being at 100% from the get go was a done deal.

[Feva]

Who said anything about a given that McNabb and/or Kearse are back from the start?

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Who said anything about a given that McNabb and/or Kearse are back from the start?

Well, then... why all the criticism for IGY's theory?  It's not without a shred of sense.

[Seabiscuit36]

Is anyone else worried about Kearses rehab and how they havent said anything about it in a long time(at least i havent heard anything since the end of the season)?

[Feva]

Who said anything about a given that McNabb and/or Kearse are back from the start?

Well, then... why all the criticism for IGY's theory?  It's not without a shred of sense.

Because as stupid as it is to consider it a given that he comes back healthy... it's just as stupid to consider it a given that he's not healthy until '08.

[mussa]

Is anyone else worried about Kearses rehab and how they havent said anything about it in a long time(at least i havent heard anything since the end of the season)?

Um, I think someone posted that he's recovering very quick, the injury wasn't as bas as they thought and he will be ready for camp. not too long ago someone posted that. i think....

[ice grillin you]

im more worried about kearse playing up to his capabilities for a full year at full strength than i am him not being healthy...tho his health is definitely something to track

as for my 'theory'...i dont think the eagles sat down one day in banners office and said we are done this year...if we had our choice we wouldnt even play the games...but i def think were mcnabb not coming off a serious injury a lot more would have been done (or at least considered) to make this team a superbowl contender...instead they basically did just enough to keep the ship afloat...with a ? at the qb position i dont think they felt as tho it was worth going all out and improving other spots on the team

stallworth ----------> curtis
walker --------> reagor
hood --------> james
lewis --------> considine

spikes
johnson

that doesnt scream lets take a shot at it to me...thats we made the playoffs last year...lets not take a step backwards and just take our chances


it's just as stupid to consider it a given that he's not healthy until '08.

but it is pretty much a given that it takes a year to get back to being 100%...could be longer could be shorter...its not a "given' either way but the evidence says that it takes that long....mcnabb had his surgery in december...do the math

[rjs246]

I was told there would be no math.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Carson Palmer got injured much later in the season but started the next year.  He did, however, wear a cumbersome brace and didn't seem to be 100%, even as a pocket passer.  McNabb, who still relies on his feet a lot, even if he doesn't run for yardage as much as when he was younger, would be even more affected...

So, basically... if McNabb can heal at the same rate as Palmer, he should be ready to throw and do limited stuff by training camp and should be good to go at nearly 100% for the start of the season.  However, I think Palmer's scenario is a best-case.

[Feva]

So you're telling me that the Eagles saw opportunities to vastly improve this team with this year's FA's and instead of aggressively going after them, they said that since their QB position is "in question"... they'll let these players go elsewhere?  Simply because McNabb tore his ACL last season?

Take for example Adalius Thomas.  He got a 6 year deal or something like that right?  They basically said the 1 season of questionable health is more important than 6 years of a player with Thomas' abilities?  I can't but that.  I would think that if the Eagles really wanted him, they would still go after him and figure that at least they'll have him in the fold when McNabb does get all the way healthy.

On the same token... do you think they said to themselves when Stallworth was out there, "Well, McNabb may not be healthy anyway so we might as well let Donte go"?  By doing so... passing up on 6 years of a quality player who's in the middle of his prime?  That just doesn't make sense to me, man.  There are probably a number of reasons that Thomas and Stallworth are not here... but I just can't see McNabb's health as having anything to do with it.

[Feva]

Carson Palmer got injured much later in the season but started the next year.  He did, however, wear a cumbersome brace and didn't seem to be 100%, even as a pocket passer.  McNabb, who still relies on his feet a lot, even if he doesn't run for yardage as much as when he was younger, would be even more affected...

So, basically... if McNabb can heal at the same rate as Palmer, he should be ready to throw and do limited stuff by training camp and should be good to go at nearly 100% for the start of the season.  However, I think Palmer's scenario is a best-case.

Now you know that Palmer's injury was more severe than McNabb's was.  3 torn ligaments versus 1.

[Rome]

Bypassing Stallworth only to give Kevin Curtis the same deal tells me they didn't want Stallworth and they are going for it this year.

There are other reasons but that one sold me.  The Spikes trade only re-inforced my feelings on the matter.

They're going for it just like they do every year and to suggest otherwise like there's some nefarious plot to avoid competing for a championship is delusional and stupid.