HOF finalists announced

[rjs246]

By those criteria alone Monk should qualify.

[Fan_Since_64]

Andre Reed – 16 seasons (227 G). All-Pro – ? (don't know where to find the stat - '64 help me out). Pro Bowl – 7. Led AFC in pass receptions – 1. Led AFC in receiving yardage – 1. Led AFC in receiving TDs – 0. Career stats and ranks – 951 rec. (3 - was #2 before his garbage last season on the Skins), 13,198 yds. (4), 13.9 avg., 87 TD (6). 50+ receptions – 13. 1000+ yards – 4. 10+ TDs – 1

QB Eagles, my source for All-Pro selections is the ESPN Pro Football Encyclopedia, which was published just prior to this season. Reed was selected to a recognized All-Pro team 4 times during his career.

The names Cris Carter and Tim Brown have, appropriately enough, been mentioned. I've already put together the same information for them (just a reminder, as with the list above, the ranks are at the time of their retirement, not necessarily current):

Tim Brown – 17 seasons (255 G). All-Pro – 7. Pro Bowl – 9. Led conference in pass receiving – 1. Led conference in receiving yardage – 4. Led conference in receiving TDs – 0. Career stats and ranks – 1094 rec. (3), 14,934 yds. (2), 13.7 avg., 100 TD (3). 50+ receptions – 11. 1000+ yards – 9. 10+ TDs – 2.

Cris Carter – 16 seasons (234 G). All-Pro – 4. Pro Bowl – 8. Led conference in pass receiving – 1. Led conference in receiving yardage – 0. Led conference in receiving TDs – 3. Career stats and ranks – 1101 rec. (2), 13,899 yds. (4), 12.6 avg., 130 TD (2). 50+ receptions – 11. 1000+ yards – 8. 10+ TDs – 6.

[QB Eagles]

Cris Carter – 16 seasons (234 G). All-Pro – 4. Pro Bowl – 8. Led conference in pass receiving – 1. Led conference in receiving yardage – 0. Led conference in receiving TDs – 3.

All he does is catch TDs.

[Diomedes]

You guys have convinced me that Monk doesn't belong in the hall.

whoop there it is

[ice grillin you]

the only argument for monk to be in the hall is that there are undeserving people already in...to me thats not an argument

[Wingspan]

The other argument would be that he is standing outside with an admission ticket.

[Diomedes]

F

[Fan_Since_64]

It all depends on where you draw the line. Who are the receivers that have made the Hall of Fame that shouldn't have? My re-arranging of the list:

Clearly deserving (just a matter of degree as to how deserving)

Lance Alworth – 11 seasons (136 G). All-Pro - 7. AFL All-Star - 7. Led league in pass receptions - 3. Led league in receiving yardage - 3. Led league in receiving TDs – 3. Career stats and ranks – 542 rec. (4), 10,266 yds. (2), 18.9 avg., 85 TD (3). 50+ receptions – 7. 1000+ yards – 7. 10+ TDs – 5.

Raymond Berry – 13 seasons (154 G). All-Pro – 6. Pro Bowl – 5. Led league in pass receptions – 3. Led league in receiving yardage – 3. Led league in receiving TDs – 2. Career stats and ranks – 631 rec. (1), 9275 yds. (2), 14.7 avg., 68 TD (>3). 50+ receptions – 7. 1000+ yards – 1. 10+ TDs – 2.

Fred Biletnikoff – 14 seasons (190 G). All-Pro – 6. AFL All-Star/Pro Bowl – 6. Led AFC in pass receptions – 2. Led AFC in receiving yardage – 0. Led AFC in receiving TDs – 0. Career stats and ranks – 589 rec. (4), 8974 yds. (5), 15.2 avg., 76 TD (6). 50+ receptions – 4. 1000+ yards – 1. 10+ TDs – 1.

Tom Fears – 9 seasons (87 G). All-Pro – 5. Pro Bowl – 1. Led league in pass receptions – 3. Led league in receiving yardage – 1. Led league in receiving TDs – 1. Career stats and ranks – 400 rec. (2), 5397 yds. (-), 13.5 avg., 38 TD (-). 50+ receptions – 3. 1000+ yards – 2. 10+ TDs – 0.

Elroy (Crazylegs) Hirsch – 9 seasons (103 G). All-Pro – 4. Pro Bowl – 3. Led league in pass receptions – 1. Led league in receiving yardage – 1. Led league in receiving TDs – 1. Career stats and ranks – 343 rec. (>3), 6299 yds. (2), 18.4 avg., 53 TD (3). 50+ receptions – 2. 1000+ yards – 1. 10+ TDs – 1.

Don Hutson – 11 seasons (116 G). All-Pro – 11. Pro Bowl – didn't exist yet. Led league in pass receptions – 8. Led league in receiving yardage – 7. Led league in receiving TDs – 9. Career stats and ranks – 488 rec. (1), 7991 yds. (1), 16.4 avg., 99 TD (1, by far). 50+ receptions – 3. 1000+ yards – 1. 10+ TDs – 3.

Michael Irvin – 12 seasons (159 G). All-Pro – 3. Pro Bowl – 5. Led NFC in pass receptions – 1. Led NFC in receiving yardage – 1. Led NFC in receiving TDs – 0. Career stats and ranks – 750 rec. (10), 11,904 yds. (9), 15.9 avg., 65 TD (>13). 50+ receptions – 8. 1000+ yards – 7. 10+ TDs – 1.

Steve Largent – 14 seasons (200 G). All-Pro – 8. Pro Bowl – 7. Led AFC in pass receptions – 1. Led AFC in receiving yardage – 2. Led AFC in receiving TDs – 1. Career stats and ranks – 819 rec. (1), 13,089 yds. (1), 16.0 avg., 100 TD (1). 50+ receptions – 10. 1000+ yards – 8. 10+ TDs – 3.

James Lofton – 16 seasons (233 G). All-Pro – 6. Pro Bowl – 8. Led conference in pass receptions – 0. Led conference in receiving yardage – 1. Led conference in receiving TDs – 0. Career stats and ranks – 764 rec. (3), 14,004 yds. (1), 18.3 avg., 75 TD (>6). 50+ receptions – 9. 1000+ yards – 6. 10+ TDs – 0.

Don Maynard – 15 seasons (186 G). All-Pro – 5. AFL All-Star – 4. Led league in pass receptions – 0. Led league in receiving yardage – 1. Led league in receiving TDs – 1. Career stats and ranks – 633 rec. (1), 11,834 yds. (1), 18.7 avg., 88 TD (2). 50+ receptions – 5. 1000+ yards – 5. 10+ TDs – 3

Tommy McDonald – 12 seasons (152 G). All-Pro – 4. Pro Bowl – 6. Led league in pass receptions – 0. Led league in receiving yardage – 1. Led league in receiving TDs – 2. Career stats and ranks – 495 rec. (6), 8410 yds. (5), 17.0 avg., 84 TD (2). 50+ receptions – 4. 1000+ yards – 3. 10+ TDs – 4.

Bobby Mitchell – 11 seasons (148 G – primarily a RB, first 4 seasons). All-Pro – 5. Pro Bowl – 4. Led league in pass receptions – 1. Led league in receiving yardage – 2. Led league in receiving TDs – 1. Career stats and ranks – 521 rec. (4), 7954 yds. (>7), 15.3 avg., 65 TD (>4). 50+ receptions – 6. 1000+ yards – 2. 10+ TDs – 2.

Pete Pihos – 9 seasons (107 G). All-Pro – 8. Pro Bowl – 6 (The first 6 Pro Bowls). Led league in pass receptions – 3. Led league in receiving yardage – 2. Led league in receiving TDs – 1. Career stats and ranks – 373 rec. (3), 5619 yds. (>1), 15.1 avg., 61 TDs (>3). 50+ receptions – 3. 1000+ yards – 1. 10+ TDs – 3.

Charley Taylor – 13 seasons (165 G – primarily a RB, first 2 seasons). All-Pro – 10. Pro Bowl – 8. Led league in pass receptions – 2. Led league in receiving yardage – 0. Led league in receiving TDs – 0. Career stats and ranks – 649 rec. (1), 9110 yds. (4), 14.0 avg., 79 TD (5). 50+ receptions – 7. 1000+ yards – 1. 10+ TDs – 1.

Paul Warfield – 13 seasons (157 G). All-Pro – 8. Pro Bowl – 8. Led league in pass receptions – 0. Led league in receiving yardage – 0. Led league in receiving TDs – 3. Career stats and ranks – 427 rec. (18), 8565 yds. (6), 20.1 avg., 85 TD (4). 50+ receptions – 2. 1000+ yards – 1. 10+ TDs – 4.

Borderline

Charlie Joiner – 18 seasons (239 G). All-Pro – 2. Pro Bowl – 3. Led AFC in pass receptions – 0. Led AFC in receiving yardage – 0. Led AFC in receiving TDs – 0. Career stats and ranks – 750 rec. (1), 12,146 yds. (1), 16.2 avg., 65 TD (>9). 50+ receptions – 7. 1000+ yards – 4. 10+ TDs – 0.

Wayne Millner – 7 seasons (76 G). All-Pro – 2. Pro Bowl – didn't exist yet. Led league in pass receptions – 0. Led league in receiving yardage – 0. Led league in receiving TDs – 0. Career stats and ranks – 124 rec. (-), 1578 yds. (-), 12.7 avg., 12 TD (-). 50+ receptions – 0. 1000+ yards – 0. 10+ TDs – 0.

John Stallworth – 14 seasons (165 G). All-Pro – 2. Pro Bowl – 4. Led AFC in pass receptions – 0. Led AFC in receiving yardage – 1. Led AFC in receiving TDs – 0. Career stats and ranks – 537 rec. (15), 8723 yds. (12), 16.2 avg., 63 TD (>11). 50+ receptions – 4. 1000+ yards – 3. 10+ TDs – 1.

Lynn Swann – 9 seasons (115 G). All-Pro – 3. Pro Bowl – 2. Led AFC in pass receptions – 0. Led AFC in receiving yardage – 0. Led AFC in receiving TDs – 1. Career stats and ranks – 336 rec. (>20), 5462 yds. (>20), 16.3 avg., 51 TD (>15). 50+ receptions – 2. 1000+ yards – 0. 10+ TDs – 2.

[PhillyPhreak54]

64, good to see ya back around, man.

[Fan_Since_64]

64, good to see ya back around, man.

Hey thanks, nothing like a little Hall of Fame discussion to get the juices flowing. 

[phattymatty]

I don't think Carter gets in on the first ballot. Just a hunch. I have nothing to back that up. Unlike Monk getting into the Hall, which should be a no-brainer.

you sir are crazy.

[QB Eagles]

I agree with that assessment of players, '64. And, IMHO, the fewer "borderline" characters in the Hall, the better.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

new HOF'r Michael Irvin canned by ESPN


Wanna start a pool on why?

[paco]

new HOF'r Michael Irvin canned by ESPN


Wanna start a pool on why?

You mean besides being a crack addicted, babbling loudmouth?

[MDS]

Combine his lack of talent and fact that hes about two seconds away from embarassing himself again, and this was a decent move. But they now need to hire a true black guy to even somethings out. Uncle Tom Jackson don't cut it.