06/07 Phillies Offseason Thread

[ice grillin you]

And that's just going off what I see

lol...stick to the numbers cause youre stevie wonder when it comes to watching sports

and if you want numbers utley led major league 2b in errors last year...and im pretty sure he was last in fielding %

utley is a hack

no arm
no range
and butchers some of the easiest plays youll ever see

and like wing said he came up painfully short in the clutch last year booting several balls in the last two weeks of the season

hell make the occasional diving play but thats mostly due to him not being able to fully get to balls that most second baseman could because of his lack of a jump off the ball which really hurts his range (not that he the quickest guy anyway)


utley is EXACTLY what every scout said he would be even before he was drafted...will be an excellent major league hitter but will be a liability in the field...

so just be happy that the scouts were right and hes turned into one of the best hitters in baseball

[mpmcgraw]

errors dont mean shtein for infielders   

obviously he is going to have a bad fielding % if he leads the league in errors dingus.  thats like saying a qb never throws touchdowns and hardly ever completes a pass and he is also last in QB rating! shocking

there were some defensive metrics posted at bsg, i dont really feel like looking, but biged may be able to find it. 

[SunMo]

errors dont mean shtein for infielders   

punching out Maverick

[mpmcgraw]

it doesnt mean anything because the better infielders get to more balls so they will probably have more errors

[SD_Eagle5]

it doesnt mean anything because the better infielders get to more balls so they will probably have more errors

You could make that argument if he were middle of the pac in errors, but he's 1 from the bottom which means there's substance to him being called a hack. He's not a good infielder, this isn't a new revelation.

[Wingspan]

Conventional baseball wisdom = 103 World Series wins
Moneyball = 0

[Rome]

errors dont mean shtein for infielders   

[ice grillin you]

billy beane topped even himself this time...congrats

[Geowhizzer]

Utley was rated in the National League (according to MLB sortable stats for 2nd basemen:

- tied for 2nd most errors with 18 in 156 games (R. Weeks with 22 in 92 games, J. Castillo with 18 in 145)
- 2nd in assists (424)
- 1st in put outs (357)
- 2nd in double plays (115 - O. Hudson had 116)
- 2nd in total chances (799)
- 3rd lowest fielding percentage among 2nd baseman starting over 120 games (.977)

[mpmcgraw]

Conventional baseball wisdom = 103 World Series wins
Moneyball = 0

Theo Epstein says hi.

[Sgt PSN]

ERA doesn't mean shtein for pitchers.  

[mpmcgraw]

If you are trying to gauge their future performance, that is correct.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Billy Beane sounds like a "not the size that counts, it's the way you use it" type guy in general.

[ice grillin you]

Theo Epstein says hi.

wrong again...theo epstein had a trillion dollars to spend on whatever players he wanted and did so

let theo epstein go to kansas city and try to play money ball and see what happens

[MDS]

mpm is a moron. why are you fighting with him. he thinks baseball can be won in a dorky numbers book of vorps and shorps. geek.