The 2007 Offseason Thread

[SD_Eagle5]

from the FWIW department....

apparently patterson is even worse than we all thought

baldinger was on wip saying how he studied the film from saturday and jahri evans absolutelty ate pattersons lunch saturday....jahri evans i think most of us remember was the kid from bloomsburg 4th round rookie this year...he also said that as bad as darwin walker is and as much criticism as he takes hes still a better player than patterson and has been all year

patterson baldinger says simply cant play

I don't blame Patterson and Walker as much as  I blame JJ for making them play 90% of the defensive snaps. I want a run stuffer at DT (you know, a guy like Hollis Thomas) for 1st and 2nd down, then they can rotate a guy like Patterson into the mix.

[PhillyPhanInDC]

from the FWIW department....

apparently patterson is even worse than we all thought

baldinger was on wip saying how he studied the film from saturday and jahri evans absolutelty ate pattersons lunch saturday....jahri evans i think most of us remember was the kid from bloomsburg 4th round rookie this year...he also said that as bad as darwin walker is and as much criticism as he takes hes still a better player than patterson and has been all year

patterson baldinger says simply cant play

I don't blame Patterson and Walker as much as  I blame JJ for making them play 90% of the defensive snaps. I want a run stuffer at DT (you know, a guy like Hollis Thomas) for 1st and 2nd down, then they can rotate a guy like Patterson into the mix.

Let me first say I think Baldinger is a pud, but I have read and listened to a lot of so called experts that say Patterson isn't anything special, and gets manhandled at times. Patterson getting his lunch eaten by a rookie, doesn't bode well at all in any situation. This infers that Patterson was getting handled soundly in most facets of his game. I would be cool with Patterson getting rotated in, switching out with a run stuffer, if he were  a "specialist" - excellent at pressuring the QB, or chasing down screens, etc., but I don't remember him great in that department either. I think if you reduced his time to keep him fresh, or what have you, you'd just see him being a non-factor less often.

[SD_Eagle5]

I disagree, he definitely played better in the beginning of the season when JJ was using a lot of rotations.

[PhillyPhanInDC]

I think he played slightly better as well when kept fresh, but even then, I don't remember him being a disruptive force or consistently playing well. You also have to remember that in the beginning of the season, Kearse was on the end of the line, and the whole line was playing better. Howard looked like a great addition, Cole was off the chain, etc., Patterson didn't wow with his playmaking, but was average-to-solid at best.

[SD_Eagle5]

Patterson didn't wow with his playmaking, but was average-to-solid at best.

I never claimed otherwise, just that while used in a rotation he was more effective. He's not builty to play that many downs.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

I disagree, he definitely played better in the beginning of the season when JJ was using a lot of rotations.

It's the same thing every season now.  A couple of injuries, and they have to abandon the rotation anyway.  Frankly, they either need to get more linemen that don't slow down so badly over the course of the season, or they need to get depth that can actually play.  Adios to McDougle, Rayburn, etc.

[ice grillin you]

If you're that concerned about the difference between 'nice job' and 'heck of a job', you're in for a long offseason

im not concerned at all with that...and i blame myself for even responding to what you posted...im not trying to get into spin...i posted reids comments on stallworth and i believe they are clear as day...but if you choose to believe it was just coach speak and that stallworth is coming back thats your perogotive

[ice grillin you]

It's the same thing every season now.  A couple of injuries, and they have to abandon the rotation anyway

seriously

its good to have depth but you win and lose with how good your starters are...the eagles starters whoever you consider them to be in that rotation are not good enough

i ask again as i did when it happened why the hell did patterson get that new contract

i can live with them guessing wrong on a low first round draft pick...shtein happens and at least they didnt trade up like they did with mcdougle or grab patterson top 15 like with bunkley...

but what i do have a problem with is rewarding players with a new deal who may never deserve a second contract much less get one a year and a half into their career

[Quasimoto]

If you're that concerned about the difference between 'nice job' and 'heck of a job', you're in for a long offseason

im not concerned at all with that...and i blame myself for even responding to what you posted...im not trying to get into spin...i posted reids comments on stallworth and i believe they are clear as day...but if you choose to believe it was just coach speak and that stallworth is coming back thats your perogotive

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[PoopyfaceMcGee]

I don't know how anyone can ever assume that when the Eagles allow someone to hit the open market, they'll be back.  The only players that come back do it for less money, and Stallworth has very little to no reason to give the Eagles a discount.  Plus, his agent is Rosenhaus.

I give his return maybe a 10% chance of happening at best.

[Cerevant]

The only reason the Stallworth issue is still in doubt is because of the conditions of the trade - we all know how greedy the Eagles are with their Draft picks, and if they think they can sign Stallworth after FA starts, then why would they waste the pick?

Personally I think they should make the move so he never sees the open market, but it is clear they want to wait until FA regardless of what their plans ultimately are.

[ice grillin you]

ill go with 10%

only way he comes back is if the eagles cake him off big time and then that essentially is their free agency period...the more likely scenario....they let stallworth walk...go with avant and baskett at the wr psoition and use their money to get a few middling players to fill other spots


The only reason the Stallworth issue is still in doubt is because of the conditions of the trade - we all know how greedy the Eagles are with their Draft picks

i just cant believe that...if it was the difference between a 3rd and no pick i could maybe buy it...but the difference btwn a 3rd and 4th...come on now...if anything the draft pick thing gives me more hope that he will get signed because otherwise they wasted a 4th rounder on a guy who played 12 games with them

[Quasimoto]

The draft pick is a main sticking point for the Eagles.  They hoard them like gold.  Why do you think we have 10 picks almost every year it feels like?

[ice grillin you]

but they technically wouldnt be losing a draft pick per se if they didnt sign him...they already lost a pick by trading for him...if they sign him they lose a three rather than a four...

i guess no one really knows what they are thinking...but if they are seriously against signing him over 32 spots in the draft then they should all be in front of the firing squad

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

go with avant and baskett at the wr psoition

Don't forget... Bloom coming back next year!  Yay!

The only reason the Stallworth issue is still in doubt is because of the conditions of the trade - we all know how greedy the Eagles are with their Draft picks, and if they think they can sign Stallworth after FA starts, then why would they waste the pick?

I think his sporadic health issues throughout the season had something to do with it too.