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Started by shorebird, December 22, 2006, 07:35:04 AM

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Diomedes

I want Reid gone.

He can't call a game...I don't care that he's given it up (for now), a coach who doesn't make the calls should be capable of doing so.
He can't adjust game strategy on the fly, whether or not he's calling the actual plays.
He's shamefully addicted to the pass
He drafts poorly / can't spot talent / keeps bums on the team
He rewards embarrasing prime time losses with days off
He doesn't understand the concept of scarcity as it relates to timeouts
He's cheap.
He can't get his team to achieve the degree of efficiency required to get the play into the huddle on time
And finally, he's a Mormon.  Can't stand those fools.  Get us an atheist coach, goddamnit.

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phillywin2k5

Quote from: FFatPatt on December 22, 2006, 08:32:59 AM
That's about 9 1/2 more minutes than I can take of Stephen A. Smith.

you mean you dont like Ghetto Sports Talk? I cant imagine who actually listens to him on ESPN radio or watches his garbage show
if you take advice from people in the 700 level, you'll find yourself sitting next to them -- Buddy Ryan

phillywin2k5

Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 22, 2006, 08:54:37 AM
Quote from: shorebird on December 22, 2006, 08:39:09 AM
1. I agree with the statement that he's been incapable of calling a quality offensive game plan, but I have to give him credit for realizing it and taking one for the team.

I would have given him credit for giving up the playcalling 3 or 4 years ago when he was still a some what young coach.  Not now.  I give him no credit for giving it up now.  Give up the playcalling when this team had dominant players on it and had a legitimate chance at winning something.  Don't do it when your team is mediocre and your starting QB is on the sidelines.

EXACTLY, he doesnt deserve credit for something he should have done 4 years ago.
if you take advice from people in the 700 level, you'll find yourself sitting next to them -- Buddy Ryan

phillywin2k5

Quote from: Butchers Bill on December 22, 2006, 09:17:06 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on December 22, 2006, 08:24:08 AM
I'm done defending Reid.  If McNabb was still playing Reid would still be running the same scattershot bullshtein offense where 7/10 plays are passes.  The only reason he's changed the philosophy is because he's had no other choice. 

If the proverbial light bulb has finally gone off over his head, and he's come to understand that the running game is an integral part of the game, and not just an annoyance deserving of only lip service, then yeah, I'd be happy as a fan if Reid stuck around. 

But we all know that isn't the truth of the matter.  Not by a long shot.

^^^^^^^
Truth...100%.

At this point I want Reid to be relieved of GM duties in the offseason and David Culley, Pete Jenkins, and Jim Johnson fired.

JJ will only be gone if he retires, like Bud Carson did
if you take advice from people in the 700 level, you'll find yourself sitting next to them -- Buddy Ryan

ice grillin you

you mean you dont like Ghetto Sports Talk? I cant imagine who actually listens to him on ESPN radio or watches his garbage show

hes terrible on the radio...hes a great guest when on other peoples shows but he cant carry his own show...however quite frankly is pretty good
i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

Sgt PSN

Quote from: phillywin2k5 on December 22, 2006, 10:01:09 AM
Quote from: Butchers Bill on December 22, 2006, 09:17:06 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on December 22, 2006, 08:24:08 AM
I'm done defending Reid.  If McNabb was still playing Reid would still be running the same scattershot bullshtein offense where 7/10 plays are passes.  The only reason he's changed the philosophy is because he's had no other choice. 

If the proverbial light bulb has finally gone off over his head, and he's come to understand that the running game is an integral part of the game, and not just an annoyance deserving of only lip service, then yeah, I'd be happy as a fan if Reid stuck around. 

But we all know that isn't the truth of the matter.  Not by a long shot.

^^^^^^^
Truth...100%.

At this point I want Reid to be relieved of GM duties in the offseason and David Culley, Pete Jenkins, and Jim Johnson fired.

JJ will only be gone if he retires, like Bud Carson did

I can't say that I want JJ "fired".  I'd like to see him get treated with a little more dignity than getting a pink slip.  I can't help but wonder though.......are the defenses struggles due to JJ losing his edge or is it simply because he doesn't have a lot of talent to work with?  Or is it both? 

Butchers Bill

Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 22, 2006, 10:06:47 AM
Quote from: phillywin2k5 on December 22, 2006, 10:01:09 AM
Quote from: Butchers Bill on December 22, 2006, 09:17:06 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on December 22, 2006, 08:24:08 AM
I'm done defending Reid.  If McNabb was still playing Reid would still be running the same scattershot bullshtein offense where 7/10 plays are passes.  The only reason he's changed the philosophy is because he's had no other choice. 

If the proverbial light bulb has finally gone off over his head, and he's come to understand that the running game is an integral part of the game, and not just an annoyance deserving of only lip service, then yeah, I'd be happy as a fan if Reid stuck around. 

But we all know that isn't the truth of the matter.  Not by a long shot.

^^^^^^^
Truth...100%.

At this point I want Reid to be relieved of GM duties in the offseason and David Culley, Pete Jenkins, and Jim Johnson fired.

JJ will only be gone if he retires, like Bud Carson did

I can't say that I want JJ "fired".  I'd like to see him get treated with a little more dignity than getting a pink slip.  I can't help but wonder though.......are the defenses struggles due to JJ losing his edge or is it simply because he doesn't have a lot of talent to work with?  Or is it both? 

Just to clarify, thats exactly the way I think it will go down.  It won't be Andy imitating Trump saying "You're fired", it'll be "Jim decided at this point in his life, he's ready to spend more time with his family, yada, yada, yada...".  But make no mistake...if he leaves this offseason it will be because the Eagles don't want him back.
I believe I've passed the age of consciousness and righteous rage
I found that just surviving was a noble fight.
I once believed in causes too,
I had my pointless point of view,
And life went on no matter who was wrong or right.

SD_Eagle5

My biggest concern with Reid aside from his awful game plan was how undisciplined his team was in regards to taking stupid penalties and making mental errors. Those things can be directly traced to the coach and are problems that could be fixed. I'd rather see a less talented team play smart football and lose, than a talented team play dumb football and lose.
As also mentioned before Reid puts the entire load on McNabb and the rest of the team obviously followed. I've heard GCobb and a few of the players mention that when McNabb was playing they'd all wait for him to do something, when Garcia took over they had to step up - they should have been stepping up all along. That would be the primary thing Reid should address this offseason.

Cerevant

I went from fire Reid to "let's see".  It is very likely that we are seeing an aberration, but if this is indeed a change in philosophy he might be able to take this team to the next level.  Interesting and useless stat:

Andy Reid vs. Bill Belichick the first 8 years:
                         Reid    Belichick
Wins                     78        61                     
Winning Seasons           5*        3
Playoff appearances       5*        2
(*will be 6 with another win this year)


I think next season will define Andy Reid's career - either he will turn it around and become one of the great coaches in NFL history, or doom himself to a Tony Dungy "can't quite get it done" status.
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PoopyfaceMcGee

Quote from: ice grillin you on December 22, 2006, 10:02:04 AM
he cant carry his own show...however quite frankly is pretty good

That makes no sense.

SunMo

he said on the radio, but you knew that
I'm the Anti-Christ. You got me in a vendetta kind of mood.

Sgt PSN

I don't remember much of what Belichick did in Cleveland prior to going to New England, but I can say that one of his greatest attributes as HC of the Pats has been assembling a top notch coaching staff.  Other than JJ and Harbaugh, has there been any other part of Reid's coaching staff that's really been worth a damn?  

SunMo

Ron Rivera, Juan Castillo, Brad Childress
I'm the Anti-Christ. You got me in a vendetta kind of mood.

Sgt PSN

Good call on Rivera and Castillo.  I had thought about Childress but I still have no idea what he actually did when he was with the Eagles.  How much of a role did he actually play in the development of the offense?  My guess is not much. 

Philly_Crew

So who do you guys want?  I looked at the last thread about "Who must go".  Suggestions were Fisher, Cowher and Rivera.  Fisher is staying in Tenn, Cowher will probably take a year off or stay with the Steelers.  I don't think there will be any free coaches next year that we would want.  Gruden may leave Tampa but he probably stays.