06/07 Phillies Offseason Thread

[SD_Eagle5]

Burrell is the 6th best leftfielder in the MLB.  If being in the top 20% at your position doesnt make you above average I dont know what does.

Obviously, because Gillick's phone has been ringing off the hook with offers.

[mpmcgraw]

So it's retarted to focus on a situation where a player is most likely to drive in runs, the pressue is at its highest and he's counted on most to produce? Average with RISP is among the most telling stats.

No, it isnt.  Because it is a stat of farging luck. 

[mpmcgraw]

Burrell is the 6th best leftfielder in the MLB.  If being in the top 20% at your position doesnt make you above average I dont know what does.

By what measurement, other than yours?

OPS and VORP I believe.

That doesnt include Lee though since he was DH for most of last year apparently so you could say #7 too, my point still stands.

Ah, so by your pet statistics.

So let me guess you would sort by AVG w/RISP?  Soriano is prolly the worst in that line.

Whoever has the least K's?

Well then Dunn, Soriano, Bay, Swisher, and Burrell are the worst LF'ers in that order. 

[Rome]

Soriano batted leadoff last year.  Of course his RISP is going to be garbage.

For God's sake...

[Seabiscuit36]

[mpmcgraw]

Soriano batted leadoff last year.  Of course his RISP is going to be garbage.

For God's sake...

Why? 

He would get less opportunities, but why would batting first make it any harder to hit w/RISP?

Rollins hit .309 w/ RISP for example.

[Eaglez]

Wow, this is one heated Burrell discussion.

If you put Burrell in the 3 hole where would you put Utley? Utley is a prototypical 3 hole hitter.

At this juncture, the Phils are probably keeping Burrell. He might not be clutch, but he's at least a decent bat considering what is out there right now. Unless the Phils can get something of comparable worth for him, then I wouldn't be willing to trade him for peanuts.

The only way I would trade Burrell for next to nothing is if the other team would take on the entire terms of his agreement or practically all of it, and hence free up considerable room to maybe offer Freddy Garcia a long term extension. At least make Garcia the offer and show him that the Phils are committed to winning and want him to be an intergal part. But other than that, I don't know what Burrell would bring back in return, considering everyone is so terrified of his contract.

[Eagles_Legendz]

Have to say I agree with Mr Beane on this one.  I don't like Burrell and he frustrates me but offensively he is a good, albeit overpaid, player. OBP is far more important than batting average.  His OBP is very very good and he hits for power.  Citing his "inability to hit in the clutch" is a faulty argument, seeing as how in '05 he was one of the best Phillies to do so.  I don't think he's a superstar, and I don't like him in the field, but I do think he's a productive offensive player.

[Geowhizzer]

Burrell is servicable.  Maybe even slightly (oh, ever so slightly) "above average."  He's just not consistent enough to be much more than that.

Ideally, Burrell would be a 6-hole hitter.

[Sgt PSN]

Ideally, Burrell would be in a hole 6 feet deep.

[Seabiscuit36]

Ideally, Burrell would be in a hole 6 feet deep with mpmgraw/billybean

[Rome]

Have to say I agree with Mr Beane on this one.  I don't like Burrell and he frustrates me but offensively he is a good, albeit overpaid, player. OBP is far more important than batting average.  His OBP is very very good and he hits for power.  Citing his "inability to hit in the clutch" is a faulty argument, seeing as how in '05 he was one of the best Phillies to do so.  I don't think he's a superstar, and I don't like him in the field, but I do think he's a productive offensive player.

LOL.  OBP is a more important HITTING statistic than batting average?  FOR A POWER HITTER WHO'S PAID TO DRIVE IN RUNS?!?

I see.   

As for Burrell in '05, the number of productive seasons he's had at the plate equal two.  The other five seasons he's been a disappointment, especially last year when the Phillies needed him to step up and protect Howard in the lineup.  He didn't.

[Rome]

BTW: Burrell's career RISP is .267 and his RISP with 2 outs is .252.  Take away the two seasons that he was truly productive and those averages plummet to the depths of Hades.

[ice grillin you]

nerds should have to actually watch the games before they can speak

and thats the problem...if you go by what this idiot says you literally do not have to ever watch a baseball game to know if a player is good or not

you just check out the OPS and then come on the message boards and talk like you know something

its why so many baseball fans are super geeked out....because they have all these numbers they can play with and if they know the numbers then they can then get in a sports conversation....and if they can get in a sports conversation then that in some perverse way makes them athletic in their minds...it makes them forget that theyve never even so much as played backyard sports...it makes them forget that their parents had to pay other kids to play with them...


in then end you just simply cannot debate someone who references vorp in their argument

and thats word to the emerald chessboard

[Rome]

^  Word to the Almighty.[/Bob Marley]