06/07 Phillies Offseason Thread

[MDS]

You've got to be kidding me. I'm losing my mind reading this stupid arguement.

[mpmcgraw]

If Burrell were a top-of-the-order hitter whose primary job was to get on base, he'd be OK.

Burrell's job is, as the 5th-slot hitter (and often 4th in the past) is to DRIVE in runs.

Burrell has hit 100+ RBI exactly twice.

Burrell has hit 30+ home runs exactly twice.

I'm not getting into your pissing match, but I'm not overly satisfied with Burrell's performance over the course of his career.  For what he needs to bring to the team in his batting slot, Burrell has been above-average twice, average two or three seasons, and below average one or two seasons.

It's the leadoff hitter's job to take walks and see pitches to wear down the pitcher.

Those things are nice in a 5th slot hitter- if he's doing his primary job.  Burrell has not done that, in my opinion, enough. 

Was the #5 spot assigned to him with his contract?   

Put him in front of Howard, that's the perfect spot for him. 

[mpmcgraw]

Batting average is a terrible way of judging and player dont even try to suggest that it is valid.

I didn't even bother reading past this ridiculous farging sentence.

Right but OBP, SLG, VORP, etc are terrible ways of judging a player.

  :boom

[SD_Eagle5]

Put him in front of Howard, that's the perfect spot for him. 

The perfect spot for him is hitting DH in the AL.

[mpmcgraw]

Put him in front of Howard, that's the perfect spot for him. 

The perfect spot for him is hitting DH in the AL.

Well, agreed there, and if it wasnt for Bill Giles we could have him batting DH right now. 

[Rome]

You're the one who said batting average wasn't a valid measuring device.  Post all the smilies you want.  That's a regarded farging statement and you're an assclown for making it.

Be a man an own up to it. 

[mpmcgraw]

An average batting average does not make a player average. 

I'd rather have certain players that batted .220 like Morgan Ensberg than that dude from the Pirates who hit .360. (his name escapes me right now)

Because Ensberg is an all around better player. 

[MDS]

Put him in front of Howard, that's the perfect spot for him. 

The perfect spot for him is hitting DH in the AL.

Well, agreed there, and if it wasnt for Bill Giles we could have him batting DH right now. 

Well, no. In theory, maybe. But the entire landscape of each NL organization would have changed if they voted in the DH. And also right now Thome would have been the DH with Howard at first.

[Rome]

I never said Burrell was average ONLY because his lifetime batting average is a very, very pedestrian .258. 

I said Burrell was average because of numerous other factors including his mediocre lifetime batting average.  Those factors include his propensity for striking out, not hitting with RISP, crappy play in the field, etc. 

Average player, average results.  That's Burrell.

[mpmcgraw]

He has actually done decent if you compare his career averages with his career avgs with RISP which is a retarded situation to focus in on in the first place. 

Burrell is an above average player.  That's Burrell.

[mpmcgraw]

Burrell is the 6th best leftfielder in the MLB.  If being in the top 20% at your position doesnt make you above average I dont know what does.

[Geowhizzer]

Burrell is the 6th best leftfielder in the MLB.  If being in the top 20% at your position doesnt make you above average I dont know what does.

By what measurement, other than yours?

[MDS]

So it's retarted to focus on a situation where a player is most likely to drive in runs, the pressue is at its highest and he's counted on most to produce? Average with RISP is among the most telling stats.

[mpmcgraw]

Burrell is the 6th best leftfielder in the MLB.  If being in the top 20% at your position doesnt make you above average I dont know what does.

By what measurement, other than yours?

OPS and VORP I believe.

That doesnt include Lee though since he was DH for most of last year apparently so you could say #7 too, my point still stands.

[Geowhizzer]

Burrell is the 6th best leftfielder in the MLB.  If being in the top 20% at your position doesnt make you above average I dont know what does.

By what measurement, other than yours?

OPS and VORP I believe.

That doesnt include Lee though since he was DH for most of last year apparently so you could say #7 too, my point still stands.

Ah, so by your pet statistics.