06/07 Phillies Offseason Thread

[Sgt PSN]

Sox have a good rotation even without Garcia.  My guess is that the move was done to free up some $$ to address other needs on the team.  And Gio was their prospect to begin with so they thought highly enough of him to draft him with the 38th pick and when they traded him, it was for a premier power hitter so it's not like the Sox had given up on him or anything.  I think they still covet him and jumped on the chance to get him back. 

It seems like a good move for both teams.  The Phils need pitching now and the Sox will probably need some fresh blood on the mound in 2 or 3 years. 

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

I like that Garcia is only 30.  I don't mind giving up Floyd or Gonzalez.

I doubt the Phillies will be able to re-sign Garcia, but whatever.  Good deal.

[ice grillin you]

It seems like a good move for both teams

yep its the classic baseball trade where one team is trying to make the playoffs with their end of the deal and if they they win and the other team is adding young talent for down the road and if gio is as good as people say the sox win

if everything goes as expected the phillies will finish third in the nl east next year and not resign garcia and gio will be the sox #1 from 2009-2015

[Rome]

The Phillies are loaded with young pitching talent at the lower levels of the minor leagues.  They gave up a bust in Floyd and a prospect in Gio who didn't exactly light the world on fire at AA last year.  In return they got a guy who is 45 games over .500 in his MLB career.

I don't see how this is anything but a bold stroke for the 2007 Phillies.  As for 2008 and beyond, who gives a shtein?  I'm thrilled to see the Phillies going for it now rather than later for a change.

PS:  How the hell do you see the Phillies finishing third in the division next year? 

[ice grillin you]

i was being facetious and i like the move but just like getting millwood you are gonna have the hot stove people claiming how the phillies made a great move and playoffs are a lock and they could win the nl blah blah blah

lets wait and see how garcia pitches in a launching pad with a horrible defense behind him

hes always been in a great pitchers parks with excellent defensive teams behind him

deals dont always work out in april-sept the way they look in december

[PhillyPhreak54]

This is a farging theft!! Great trade!

Although the last time we said that was when Millwood showed up. He also wears #34 like Freddy.

Anyways, to give up Floyd is fine. He had no future left here. If he is going to suceed it is going to be somewhere else. But he's fragile in the head. I don't mind losing Gonzalez because they are getting a proven guy in return.

Chicago had to open up a spot to get McCarthy in the rotation and since Freddy is a FA after this year they could afford to gamble a bit on what they got in return. Kenny Williams said that this was the best trade for them. So I wonder who offered what other than the Phils. Because since the Phils got him for Floyd and Gonzalez the other offers must;ve been shtein.

Deal Lieber to get two BP arms.

[PhillyPhreak54]

I'm not exactly shocked by this, well maybe a little bit, but the posters on PhilliesPhans are blasting this move. Why on earth they are ripping getting a 200IP a year starter for a brain dead washout prospect and a kid who may or may not be good and only put up so-so numbers in AA is mind boggling.

I know Gonzalez had a high ceiling. But jeez. Garcia is a proven ML pitcher.

Edit - does mpmcburrell post on that site? If so, I think I know where he gets his hatred for Rowand from. You'd think the guy was Sil Campusano from reading the thread.

[ice grillin you]

you cant blast or laud this move right now

i lean towards it being a good move....you cant kill the phillies for not making any moves then kill them for trying to do something...at the same time by no means do i think its a great move....it could easily blow up in their faces....but at least they are trying

7/10

[Rome]

I'm not exactly shocked by this, well maybe a little bit, but the posters on PhilliesPhans are blasting this move. Why on earth they are ripping getting a 200IP a year starter for a brain dead washout prospect and a kid who may or may not be good and only put up so-so numbers in AA is mind boggling.

I know Gonzalez had a high ceiling. But jeez. Garcia is a proven ML pitcher.

Edit - does mpmcburrell post on that site? If so, I think I know where he gets his hatred for Rowand from. You'd think the guy was Sil Campusano from reading the thread.

Well, it's obvious that this is a terrible move because the Phillies only appear to be getting the better part of the deal and we know from history that the Phillies always get screwed.

[Eagles_Legendz]

Encouraging statistic is that Garcia in his career in 220 IP (which isn't exactly a small sample size) vs the NL has a 2.34 ERA.   I think this really solidifies the rotation.

[SD_Eagle5]

I'm not exactly shocked by this, well maybe a little bit, but the posters on PhilliesPhans are blasting this move. Why on earth they are ripping getting a 200IP a year starter for a brain dead washout prospect and a kid who may or may not be good and only put up so-so numbers in AA is mind boggling.

Because they love to overrate prospects on that site than throw a guy like Hamels in your face and say "that is why you don't trade prospects" even though Gonzalez is nowhere near the talent Hamels is.

[Sgt PSN]

Encouraging statistic is that Garcia in his career in 220 IP (which isn't exactly a small sample size) vs the NL has a 2.34 ERA. I think this really solidifies the rotation.

He's also an innings eater, going at least 200 innings in 7 of the last 8 seasons.  And last year he gave up just 1.5 walks per start.....which is good because I'm sure he'll be serving up a few extra homers this year at CBP but at least we know they'll mostly be of the solo variety since he doesn't give too many free passes. 

[MDS]

They are idiots over there. They were in love with every single prospect the Phillies ever had, never wanted to trade him for so called "average" starters. Garcia is no ace, but he is a solid 2-3 starting pitcher. He will win 15+ games with an ERA around 4.00, eat innings and probably stay healthy. What the hell else do you want? Gio Gonzalez probably won't be that good for another 4 years. And he might not never reach the status of Garcia.

This is a good move. Floyd is a washout, so who cares. Gonzalez for Garcia? You bet. Trade Lieber to one of the losers of the Zito sweepstakes and get a relief pitcher, and this team is pretty good. Yes the lineup is more or less the same, but the outfield defense is gonna be really good and the starters are gonna be among the best in the NL. I know it's the Phillies and I know they'll farg it up somehow, but when your starting pitching looks this good, you can't but think that they might be able to actually make the playoffs this year.

[ice grillin you]

but the outfield defense is gonna be really good

[BigEd76]

The Phils selected three players in the Rule V draft today:

Adam Donachie, Royals C
Jim Warden, Indians RHP
Ryan Budde, Angels C

...then they traded Donachie to the Orioles to get Alfredo Simon back.  Simon was the guy we traded to the Giants with Ricky Ledee for Felix Rodriguez a few years ago.  All three have to stay on the main club this year or else they go back to the original teams.  2 relievers and a 3rd-string catcher.  woohoo