college football 2006

Started by ice grillin you, April 25, 2006, 02:03:56 PM

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DH

Arkansas loses its last to games and still goes to the Capital One bowl?

RU got shafted. We get to play a 7-5 KSU team who is only in a bowl game cuz they beat a Colt McCoy-less Texas team.

But, the thought of flying to Dallas on Christmas to see the Birds and the Boys, then driving to Houston for the Texas Bowl has now entered my mind. I'm just scared Ill pull a BeerMonkey in Irving and fail to make it to see Rutgers.

phattymatty

Quote from: Cerevant on December 03, 2006, 12:31:20 PM
Sorry bub, but a 3 point loss on the road doesn't exactly invalidate Michigan's bid for a title.

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Yes, this is one more reason why the BCS sucks and why there should be a playoff.

sorry bub, but of course it does.  why should they give michigan another shot when several other teams haven't even had one yet?  they lost to OSU already, npw Florida gets a shot, it worked out the way it should.

maybe we can just have an OSU-Michigan best of seven series?

The BIGSTUD

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Quote from: phattymatty on December 03, 2006, 09:34:17 PM
Quote from: Cerevant on December 03, 2006, 12:31:20 PM
Sorry bub, but a 3 point loss on the road doesn't exactly invalidate Michigan's bid for a title.

Let's all say it together kids: Neutral Site

Yes, this is one more reason why the BCS sucks and why there should be a playoff.

sorry bub, but of course it does.  why should they give michigan another shot when several other teams haven't even had one yet?  they lost to OSU already, npw Florida gets a shot, it worked out the way it should.

maybe we can just have an OSU-Michigan best of seven series?

That isn't how it works. The NC game isn't about giving another team a "shot" at OSU. For one this is a different stage all together. That was a regular season game. Two, the NC game is about the two best teams playing one another. Michigan>Florida.

Basically what you are saying is even though Michigan may be the better team, they don't deserve to play OSU because they already lost to them. That is totally moot because this is a national championship game which is a completely different stage. Say for a second that Michigan played someone else other than OSU in their last game and lost. They would still have one loss but would deserve a national championship bid because they didn't lose to OSU already? There is no logic there.
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SunMo

I'm the Anti-Christ. You got me in a vendetta kind of mood.

Eagles_Legendz

Why is Michigan the better team?  Because they were ranked higher prior to last week?  Florida is equal to them in virtually every statistical category and played a more difficult schedule.  They deserve to be in the National Title.

The BIGSTUD

You think Florida would beat Michigan in a game? You can't be for real.
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Cerevant

Quote from: phattymatty on December 03, 2006, 09:34:17 PM
sorry bub, but of course it does.  why should they give michigan another shot when several other teams haven't even had one yet?  they lost to OSU already, npw Florida gets a shot, it worked out the way it should.

maybe we can just have an OSU-Michigan best of seven series?

If there was a playoff, I'd agree with you - but according to you, Indianapolis would go to the super bowl every year since all those teams that they kick the shtein out of wouldn't need to play them again in the playoffs - they already had their chance.

A key point that also seems lost to you - the betting lines give 3 points to the home team for a reason.  How much did Ohio State win by?  Where was the game played?

Michigan gets screwed #3: how can you drop in the polls when you don't even play?  If they played Indiana today, they would be playing for the national title.

The BCS is a clusterfarg, and Michigan got screwed.
An ad hominem fallacy consists of asserting that someone's argument is wrong and/or he is wrong to argue at all purely because of something discreditable/not-authoritative about the person or those persons cited by him rather than addressing the soundness of the argument itself.

Eagles_Legendz

No, there's a bigger key point that all of you are missing.  The BCS shouldn't be about a weekly vote.  Florida "jumping" Michigan should be irrelevant.  The final regular season rankings should be based upon the body of work as a whole.  I'm sorry, but if you break down both teams schedules, you can't tell me that Michigan has a more impressive schedule and wins than Florida.  They just don't, and therefore, they don't belong in a bowl game ahead of UF.  And I think Michigan-FL would be about a toss-up, but there's no reason that I can see for Michigan to be in ahead of Florida.  The only thing people keep saying is Michigan shouldn't be penalized for not playing the last two weeks.  How are you going to keep at 11-1 SEC team out of the National Championship?

The point is simple: Florida and Michigan are even statistically and Florida has played and beaten better teams than Michigan.  They deserve it.

The BIGSTUD

Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on December 03, 2006, 11:26:37 PM
No, there's a bigger key point that all of you are missing.  The BCS shouldn't be about a weekly vote.  Florida "jumping" Michigan should be irrelevant.  The final regular season rankings should be based upon the body of work as a whole.  I'm sorry, but if you break down both teams schedules, you can't tell me that Michigan has a more impressive schedule and wins than Florida.  They just don't, and therefore, they don't belong in a bowl game ahead of UF.  And I think Michigan-FL would be about a toss-up, but there's no reason that I can see for Michigan to be in ahead of Florida.  The only thing people keep saying is Michigan shouldn't be penalized for not playing the last two weeks.  How are you going to keep at 11-1 SEC team out of the National Championship?

The point is simple: Florida and Michigan are even statistically and Florida has played and beaten better teams than Michigan.  They deserve it.

Since when did each team's schedule decide who the better team is?
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Cerevant

Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on December 03, 2006, 11:26:37 PM
No, there's a bigger key point that all of you are missing.  The BCS shouldn't be about a weekly vote.

I agree, but that isn't how it works, is it?  Yesterday Michigan was #2 and Florida was #4.  Obviously the voters weren't as impressed with Florida's regular season schedule as you were.  To turn your argument around, if Florida didn't play yesterday, they would not even get a sniff.

Right?  Wrong?  As I said, the BCS is a badly broken clusterfarg, and does the NCAA and its athletes a major disservice.
An ad hominem fallacy consists of asserting that someone's argument is wrong and/or he is wrong to argue at all purely because of something discreditable/not-authoritative about the person or those persons cited by him rather than addressing the soundness of the argument itself.

phattymatty

Quote from: King Cole on December 03, 2006, 11:39:32 PM
Since when did each team's schedule decide who the better team is?

well if you had to beat better teams consistently all year long, i would say yes that makes you a better team.

you can't possibly be a real person.

The BIGSTUD

and you are faulting Michigan for playing and beating who was on their schedule except for OSU? Who is to say Michigan wouldn't have beat the same teams Florida beat. Please use some logic!
Calling it right on the $ since day one.
Just pointing laughing, and living it up while watching the Miami Heat stink it up.

Eagles_Legendz

Quote from: Cerevant on December 03, 2006, 11:39:37 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on December 03, 2006, 11:26:37 PM
No, there's a bigger key point that all of you are missing.  The BCS shouldn't be about a weekly vote.

I agree, but that isn't how it works, is it?  Yesterday Michigan was #2 and Florida was #4.  Obviously the voters weren't as impressed with Florida's regular season schedule as you were.  To turn your argument around, if Florida didn't play yesterday, they would not even get a sniff.

Right?  Wrong?  As I said, the BCS is a badly broken clusterfarg, and does the NCAA and its athletes a major disservice.

I don't think it had anything to due with FLA's schedule--just that they didn't look as flashy or as impressive winning all their games as Michigan did.  I'm not a Florida fan, but when I compare their body of work to Michigan's, I think they were completely justified taking Florida.

phattymatty

Quote from: Cerevant on December 03, 2006, 11:20:24 PM

Michigan gets screwed #3: how can you drop in the polls when you don't even play?  If they played Indiana today, they would be playing for the national title.

i see your point and it makes sense, but i just don't see how anyone can complain when you really have no way of telling which team is actually better.

Eagles_Legendz

Quote from: King Cole on December 03, 2006, 11:47:50 PM
and you are faulting Michigan for playing and beating who was on their schedule except for OSU? Who is to say Michigan wouldn't have beat the same teams Florida beat. Please use some logic!

I don't know whether Michigan would be 12-0, 11-1, or 10-2 with Florida's schedule.  We don't have a way to judge that.  All we can judge is that they had the same record and Florida beat better teams.  So why not take them?