Who needs to go? - Offense / ST's

[rjs246]

I'm not suggesting that the team get rid of him. Or that the team would be better off right away without him. Any move involving McNabb would be purely to make a statement about the team changing direction.

But, as I said, this franchise will not change direction any time soon. They will try to continue putting an above average product on the field every single year, rather than sacrificing a year or two or three to build team that can bring an actual championship to town. They seem to be convinced that they are just 'one piece away' every year and so instead of using their draft picks and free agency wisely, they draft  project players every year (Scott Young, a former DT playing OG? Jeremy Bloom, a farging skier? Gocong, a D-2, asian, DE, who looks like he has more body fat than muscle and is being switched to LB?) to tinker with and sit on the bench. They sign Schoebel and Shawn Barber and other cast-offs as role players. farg that. This team needs an enema. I don't want McNabb to go, but if he did, at least we would know that the front office finally sees that this team isn't anywhere near seriously competing for a championship and that major changes need to be made.

[Munson]

Flawed franchise QB?



Is the franchise QB going to be perfect? Find me one in the NFL who is. Manning can't play when you get in his face, IF you can get there. Brady certainly has his flaws and bad games....

If we can get rid of our top 3-5 QB and replace him with another top...lets say 7, or so...QB, fine....But seriously, there are more things to worry about then the goddamn "flawed franchise QB". His injury might be something to worry about, but replacing him for the long term is stupid to even suggest right now. As Phreak said, it's going to be funny watching everyone miss having a top NFL QB once he's gone.

Let's get this straight...

Culpepper/Palmer=Torn ACL, PCL, MCL
McNabb=Torn ACL

There's a big difference there. Even Mark Brunell still could scramble around for a couple years after he messed his knee up, and he isn't even half the athletic talent that McNabb is. McNabb will still be able to move around in the pocket/shrug off defenders like he usually does. The only concern will be him getting the confidence back in the knee and its strength, which always takes some athletes a little bit to do.

If someone needs to go on offense....it's the TE's. Smith can stay if his price is right, but they need a 2nd TE who is 1. Solid run-blocker and 2. Reletively sure handed, can run the short routes and allow LJ to use his athletic ability to stretch the middle of the field.

Everyone else on the offense has done fine this year, in spite of the terrible play calling. The only other thing I can complain about on offense is the drops, but Stallworth/Brown is a better combo then we'd find elsewhere next year.

Offense=
Defense=Purge. Rape and pillage. Burn to the farging ground.

[ice grillin you]

mcnabb IS flawed
mcnabb is NOT a franchise qb
he isnt someone you build around
hes just another piece of a big puzzle
he cant carry a team himself
he isnt a great passer
he hasnt run in a long time and probably cant run now
he needs lots of help
like a running game
like great wr's

that being said you dont get rid of him he should be able to come back and be ok...but what you do do is start looking for his replacement...find a matt schaub with the intention that he will replace mcnabb in a couple years or sooner if he isnt able to return at a high level...gotta be proactive here so that when mcnabbs days are numbered you have something in place

[Feva]

mcnabb IS flawed Right
mcnabb is NOT a franchise qb Wrong
he isnt someone you build around Wrong
hes just another piece of a big puzzle The most important piece
he cant carry a team himself He has before... point is though... he shouldn't have to.
he isnt a great passer Maybe not "great"... he is a pretty good one.  His passing is far from a weakness.
he hasnt run in a long time and probably cant run now Yeah, he runs less... but he'll be ABLE to next year if he chooses.
he needs lots of help Just about every QB in the NFL does.
like a running game Ditto
like great wr's This team has far from "great" WR's and he was tied for the lead in TD passes before the Titans game.

that being said you dont get rid of him he should be able to come back and be ok...but what you do do is start looking for his replacement...find a matt schaub with the intention that he will replace mcnabb in a couple years or sooner if he isnt able to return at a high level...gotta be proactive here so that when mcnabbs days are numbered you have something in place

Don't have too much problem with this.  If there's someone out there you like... go after him and start grooming him for the future.  The future may be a little closer than some people realize.

[T_Section224]

This team needs an enema.

ha, that's great

[Beermonkey]

This team needs an enema.

ha, that's great

enemas?

[Sgt PSN]

I seriously can't help but laugh at those of you who think that a torn ACL is going to seriously affect McNabb's mobility.  The way some of you are talking you think he's going to be Drew Bledsoe when he comes back.  It's a bad injury but it's not a career threatening or even career altering injury.  At least not when you're a 30 year old professional athlete in excellent physical condition.  The worst part about this injury is the timing of it because it could potentially affect 2 separate seasons.  Had McNabb gone down a month ago or sooner there would be little to no worries about next year.

[Butchers Bill]

I seriously can't help but laugh at those of you who think that a torn ACL is going to seriously affect McNabb's mobility.  The way some of you are talking you think he's going to be Drew Bledsoe when he comes back.  It's a bad injury but it's not a career threatening or even career altering injury.  At least not when you're a 30 year old professional athlete in excellent physical condition.  The worst part about this injury is the timing of it because it could potentially affect 2 separate seasons.  Had McNabb gone down a month ago or sooner there would be little to no worries about next year.

^^^^^
Truth.

Saying McNabb is not a franchise QB is a little, uhh, dumb.

[ice grillin you]

you think a 30 year old who isnt a great qb to begin with and coming off a bad knee injury is a franchise qb?

[Sgt PSN]

you think a 30 year old who isnt a great qb to begin with and coming off a bad knee injury is a franchise qb?

Hater.

[Butchers Bill]

you think a 30 year old who isnt a great qb to begin with and coming off a bad knee injury is a franchise qb?

We are clearly defining "franchise QB" differently.  My definition is a very good to elite QB who can take over a game consistently.

I am by no means comparing McNabb to Elway here, but by your definition Elway was not a franchise QB when he won two Super Bowls because he was in his 30's and had bad knees.

[ice grillin you]

i think you can make the argument that five years ago mcnabb could have been a frqnchise qb...but he clearly isnt now

other than the year he had TO his numbers have been just good...and thats in an offense that throws the ball a ton...do i think he did a lot of things to win games early in his career yes...mostly with his feet...but hes not that guy anymore...and he has never been a qb that could carry a team with his passing ability...he won games by being kept in them due to a good defense and then would make just enough plays to win it

[PhillyPhreak54]

McNabb = franchise QB.

Who do you see as franchise QBs in the NFL, IGY?

[T_Section224]

enemas?

yes, it's become a regular part of my new weight loss program.

i think you can make the argument that five years ago mcnabb could have been a frqnchise qb...but he clearly isnt now

unfortunately i think i agree with this.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

McNabb could easily peak later in his career like a Steve Young or a John Elway, but both of those guys (especially Elway) had coaches that actually took some pressure off the QB by running the ball.