06/07 Phillies Offseason Thread

[ice grillin you]

no stop, they can't use a dynamic offensive weapon...it sure killed the Red Sox when they struck out a gazillion times on their way to the WS title

soriano would make for exciting times in the old bank...but he wouldnt make the team better...he strikes out 150 times a year cant hit in the clutch cant hit with risp cant field and takes a lot of days off...not saying he isnt a very good player but theres a reason why hes gonna be on his fourth team in five years

and theres no comparison btwn the phils and a team whos top pitchers were pedro....schilling....lowe

[mpmcgraw]

I didnt say I was sure that Gillick doesnt want him.  I said I wasnt sure that Gillick still wants him.

Some of the quotes in articles lately have suggested that he doesnt want to go after Soriano.  He is probably just bluffing, but its wierd.   

MDS needs to talk to his boy Hayes about this.

[Geowhizzer]

I actally agree with IGY.  Soriano is percisely the type of hitter the Phils lineup DOESN'T need more of:  all or nothing.  Scoring 12 runs one night, 2 the next, shutout the next, 1 the next, 14 the next.

If the Phils could rid themselves of Brurell, Soriano would be an upgrade offensively.

Defensively, he would just add to the stone hands already manning the field.

And calling a rotation of Myers-Hamels-Lieber-Moyer-some schmuck "set" speaks volumes about the team's not being ready to compete for a pennant.  Mediocre at it's finest.

Between the bad defense (other than Rollins at short and possibly Victorino).


The ONLY way the Phils should sign Soriano is if they know they can rid themselves of Burrell.  By trade or by DFA.

That's the best rotation in the NL East unless D-Willis suddenly stops being mediocre.

If Myers or Hamels becomes the ace they were claimed to be and Lieber can stay healthy this has a chance to be a very very good rotation.  Of course there is probably a better chance that it is mediocre, but I am optimistic so yea.

If Gillick didnt settle for Floyd and Madson in the first half the Phillies are in the playoffs easily, remember.

Hamels is young and has had major injury issues already.

Myers turns 27 next season and has yet to hit 15 wins, and he's going to be an ace next year?  I hope that you're right and he suddenly turns it on, but I'm not optimistic.

Lieber will be 37, had Tommy John surgery, and finished 9-11 last year with an ERA nearly 5.00.  His K/BB ratio is good, though, so the sabermetrician in you is probably happy.

Moyer is what, 44?

You'll have to forgive me for not going ga-ga over the Phils' rotation.

[ice grillin you]

seriously

unless the phils add a bonafied #3 or higher starter the rotation is at best equal to last years and possibly much worse with leiber and moyer going downhill and downhill fast

hamels should get better
myers is what he is...a very good #3 with #2 potential
leiber absolutely blows
a full year in the bank is going to expose moyer (he gave up eight or more runs in all but one of his home starts)

[mpmcgraw]

seriously

unless the phils add a bonafied #3 or higher starter the rotation is at best equal to last years and possibly much worse with leiber and moyer going downhill and downhill fast

hamels should get better
myers is what he is...a very good #3 with #2 potential
leiber absolutely blows
a full year in the bank is going to expose moyer (he gave up eight or more runs in all but one of his home starts)

No way.  No way two pitchers in the Phillies rotation pitch as bad as Floyd and Madson did last year.

There is just no way it is happening.

[MDS]

I didnt say I was sure that Gillick doesnt want him.  I said I wasnt sure that Gillick still wants him.

Some of the quotes in articles lately have suggested that he doesnt want to go after Soriano.  He is probably just bluffing, but its wierd.   

MDS needs to talk to his boy Hayes about this.

shoot him an email, he'll give you a straight response. but from what i remember, they were interested. i remember gillick shot out carlos lee's name with soriano. i wanted lee instead. thatd be good.

[mpmcgraw]

a full year in the bank is going to expose moyer (he gave up eight or more runs in all but one of his home starts)

That's a lie. 

He had 3 home starts at CBP.  He gave up 3, 1, and 5 runs in those games.

Christ. 

[PhillyPhreak54]

I didnt say I was sure that Gillick doesnt want him.  I said I wasnt sure that Gillick still wants him.

Some of the quotes in articles lately have suggested that he doesnt want to go after Soriano.  He is probably just bluffing, but its wierd.   

MDS needs to talk to his boy Hayes about this.

shoot him an email, he'll give you a straight response. but from what i remember, they were interested. i remember gillick shot out carlos lee's name with soriano. i wanted lee instead. thatd be good.

Soriano >>>>> Lee

[mpmcgraw]

I didnt say I was sure that Gillick doesnt want him.  I said I wasnt sure that Gillick still wants him.

Some of the quotes in articles lately have suggested that he doesnt want to go after Soriano.  He is probably just bluffing, but its wierd.   

MDS needs to talk to his boy Hayes about this.

shoot him an email, he'll give you a straight response. but from what i remember, they were interested. i remember gillick shot out carlos lee's name with soriano. i wanted lee instead. thatd be good.

Soriano >>>>> Lee

Burrell=Lee.   And Burrell might even be cheaper. 

[MDS]

I did some comprassion back a bunch of pages. Lee is good. But I doubt he comes here.

[ice grillin you]

nm

[Sgt PSN]

He has hit 40 homers once in his career.

OK, half-empty.  He's also hit at least 36 HRs in four of the last five years.......something Burrell has done ONCE in seven.  He also has over 40 times more stolen bases in his career...

I am not arguing that he is not better than Burrell. 

I am arguing that Soriano is not worth the contract and that there is a high chance that he will be very bad in the latter years of his contract.    

I am not even sure that Gillick wants him anymore though. 

Coming from you?   That's rich. 

[Rome]

Yeah, Soriano's ability to hit 40 homers, 40 doubles, and get 40 steals is going to be just like Burrell's skill-set.


F'ing idiot.

He has hit 40 homers once in his career.  I think he is going to do it again for a few more years, but there is a very good chance the guy is going to blow (possibly worse than Burrell, probably not) in the last years of his contract.                         

Your inability to recognize this is amusing though. 

If you want to make any kind of bet about this with serious cash involved I am all for it. 

Your inability to kill yourself is disappointing.  Try harder, troll. 

[MDS]

However, he continued to apply the brakes to any speculation that the Phillies would chase Soriano at any cost.

"I can't even say we're interested," he insisted. "Our plans might not necessarily include him. We like him. We're studying the situation. All I've ever said is that we intended to improve our club and everybody drew their own conclusions from that. They looked at our lineup and decided we need to protect Ryan Howard and concluded that we should go after Soriano or Manny Ramirez or Carlos Lee or somebody like that."

The Phillies also continue to look for relief pitching - they made an offer to a free agent yesterday - and a catcher.

"That [catcher] is an area we have to address," Gillick said.

He's just ballin about Soriano. Phils really want him.

Pitcher offer was probably Borowski. Or should be. If David Weathers is the new 7/8 inning guy, then I'm scared.

Catcher can be adressed in the form of Johnny Estrada. A trade for him, and Aaron Rowand is batting 8th. Think about that one.

[Wingspan]

everyone relax...they signed wes helms. he's the savior.