06/07 Phillies Offseason Thread

[Rome]

Yeah, Soriano's ability to hit 40 homers, 40 doubles, and get 40 steals is going to be just like Burrell's skill-set.


F'ing idiot.

[MDS]

Burrell boners. Burrell boners.

[mpmcgraw]

Yeah, Soriano's ability to hit 40 homers, 40 doubles, and get 40 steals is going to be just like Burrell's skill-set.


F'ing idiot.

He has hit 40 homers once in his career.  I think he is going to do it again for a few more years, but there is a very good chance the guy is going to blow (possibly worse than Burrell, probably not) in the last years of his contract.                         

Your inability to recognize this is amusing though. 

If you want to make any kind of bet about this with serious cash involved I am all for it. 

[BigEd76]

Wes Helms is ours

2 yrs, $6M, team option for 3rd yr

[MDS]

Well, we figured.

Better than Baberaham, relativley cheap.

Surely more needs to get done.

[Geowhizzer]

I actally agree with IGY.  Soriano is percisely the type of hitter the Phils lineup DOESN'T need more of:  all or nothing.  Scoring 12 runs one night, 2 the next, shutout the next, 1 the next, 14 the next.

If the Phils could rid themselves of Brurell, Soriano would be an upgrade offensively.

Defensively, he would just add to the stone hands already manning the field.

And calling a rotation of Myers-Hamels-Lieber-Moyer-some schmuck "set" speaks volumes about the team's not being ready to compete for a pennant.  Mediocre at it's finest.

Between the bad defense (other than Rollins at short and possibly Victorino).


The ONLY way the Phils should sign Soriano is if they know they can rid themselves of Burrell.  By trade or by DFA.

[BigEd76]

What pitcher do you want them to get?  Zito and Schmidt aren't leaving the west coast, and D-Train isn't available.  What do you want?

[BigEd76]

He has hit 40 homers once in his career.

OK, half-empty.  He's also hit at least 36 HRs in four of the last five years.......something Burrell has done ONCE in seven.  He also has over 40 times more stolen bases in his career...

[mpmcgraw]

I actally agree with IGY.  Soriano is percisely the type of hitter the Phils lineup DOESN'T need more of:  all or nothing.  Scoring 12 runs one night, 2 the next, shutout the next, 1 the next, 14 the next.

If the Phils could rid themselves of Brurell, Soriano would be an upgrade offensively.

Defensively, he would just add to the stone hands already manning the field.

And calling a rotation of Myers-Hamels-Lieber-Moyer-some schmuck "set" speaks volumes about the team's not being ready to compete for a pennant.  Mediocre at it's finest.

Between the bad defense (other than Rollins at short and possibly Victorino).


The ONLY way the Phils should sign Soriano is if they know they can rid themselves of Burrell.  By trade or by DFA.

That's the best rotation in the NL East unless D-Willis suddenly stops being mediocre.

If Myers or Hamels becomes the ace they were claimed to be and Lieber can stay healthy this has a chance to be a very very good rotation.  Of course there is probably a better chance that it is mediocre, but I am optimistic so yea.

If Gillick didnt settle for Floyd and Madson in the first half the Phillies are in the playoffs easily, remember.

[SunMo]

no stop, they can't use a dynamic offensive weapon...it sure killed the Red Sox when they struck out a gazillion times on their way to the WS title

[PhillyPhreak54]

He has hit 40 homers once in his career.

OK, half-empty.  He's also hit at least 36 HRs in four of the last five years.......something Burrell has done ONCE in seven.  He also has over 40 times more stolen bases in his career...

BigEd has spoken.

Bang, you're dead.

[mpmcgraw]

He has hit 40 homers once in his career.

OK, half-empty.  He's also hit at least 36 HRs in four of the last five years.......something Burrell has done ONCE in seven.  He also has over 40 times more stolen bases in his career...

I am not arguing that he is not better than Burrell. 

I am arguing that Soriano is not worth the contract and that there is a high chance that he will be very bad in the latter years of his contract.   

I am not even sure that Gillick wants him anymore though. 

[SunMo]

all i know is that i can't another offseason of "tweaking" this team...they have a lot of money freed up, i want it spent, with quickness

[PhillyPhreak54]

1. Hamels, Myers, Lieber and Moyer is a solid 4. King Cole is going to be a stud and Myers will get it together and be a 1a to Cole's #1. Lieber is a guy who won 17 for them two years ago. He's feast or famine and that's fine in the 3 hole. He doesn't walk guys and when he's on, he's good. Moyer is the grandpop of the rotation but he junk balls better than anyone and he can help Hamels. Wolf is best suited to be gone. I would rather see them go after Eaton or Meche as the 4th guy.

2. Soriano, strikeouts or not, is an excellent addition to any lineup. He gets Burrell out of there and he gives Howard protection. Getting Burrell out of there is the best part of this. He's trash.

3. Helms' signing is OK. Nothing to get excited about except that he helps solidify the bench. He'll probably start and then Abe can come in for defensive purposes. Or they can platoon, whatever. But when you go after Soriano and have a core group of Utley, Howard, Soriano and Rollins you can afford to go light on power at 3B and C.

Rollins - SS
Victorino - RF
Utley - 2B
Howard - 1B
Soriano - LF
Rowand - CF
Helms/Nunez - 3B
Ruiz/Coste - C

[PhillyPhreak54]

He has hit 40 homers once in his career.

OK, half-empty.  He's also hit at least 36 HRs in four of the last five years.......something Burrell has done ONCE in seven.  He also has over 40 times more stolen bases in his career...

I am not arguing that he is not better than Burrell. 

I am arguing that Soriano is not worth the contract and that there is a high chance that he will be very bad in the latter years of his contract.   

I am not even sure that Gillick wants him anymore though. 

Who cares if he is worth the money or not in the long run? As long as he is worth it for two years, maybe three, when they have a good chance to make it out of a poor National League - I'll take that. Worry about unloading the latter years of the deal down the road. Like Conlin and Hayes said yesterday - if Gillick succeeds in getting him to not take a full NTC then they can deal him later on. Agree with him on a partial NTC. Let him name 12 teams he won't go to.

They have a ton of money to spend and they need to spend it. Now.

And how are you sure than Gillick doesn't want him anymore? What makes you say that other than your man love for Pat.