06/07 Phillies Offseason Thread

[mpmcgraw]

It's shocking that you'd feel that way.  Really shocking.

Are you mocking me for pointing out the obvious or for being me. 

I need to know to adequately make a pathetic retort.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Are you mocking me for pointing out the obvious or for being me. 

I need to know to adequately make a pathetic retort.

I'm anxiously awaiting your pro-Burrell retort.

[mpmcgraw]

Do you really want to pay 116 million over 6 years for a moderate upgrade in left field? For a player that is 31 years old coming off a career year and who has had about as productive of a career as Burrell at the plate, no less.  (not counting SB obviously)

I just dont think Soriano is that safe of an investment in the first place, unless Gillick frontloads the deal or something.  Adding on what we would have to eat to get rid of Burrell just makes it worse.

[MDS]

You are ridiculous. What the hell does it matter to you if the Phillies throw a shteinload at Soriano? They have money to work with and the key young pups (Myers, Hamels, Utley, Howard) aren't going anywhere.

[mpmcgraw]

Are you farging stupid?

Gillick has a team imposed cap, money farging matters in deals especially with these owners.  How long did it take them to get the payroll caught up with the rest of the league? and that was only because of the new stadium.  95 million does not go as far as it did even a few years ago in the MLB.  Our payroll was something like 12th in the MLB last year.  That number will continue to drop as will the chances of the Phillies being a playoff team unless the owners go out of character.  Inflation is not a myth.

If you are going to tie up 1/4 of your payroll on 1 player you better be farging sure he is going to be worth it for the majority of the deal. 

Christ.

[MDS]

Next year Lieber's money comes off. They will be done with Thome and Burrell (gonna have to pony up something) in 2 years. That's enough to give long term to at least Myers (first one due). Utley, Howard and Hamels have years ahead of them before they will see the big money. Phillies control them. Yes their salaries will increase with arbitration, but they can always backload their contracts and kick Jimmy Rollins out the door in 4 or 5 years to help pay.

Money, shcmoney. Gillick isn't Wade. Pitching is the most important thing and he knows it, he also isn't dumb enough to waste money and not enough left over for Utley and Howard. Stop being a panzy sabermatrician. Soraino is worth it. There's no harm in trying to win the next few years. It's about time this team went for it outside of the "we need to give people a reason to buy season tickets at cbp and not make it obvious" move to sign thome.

[mpmcgraw]

Money, shcmoney. Gillick isn't Wade. Pitching is the most important thing and he knows it

We have seen nothing that indicates this so far in Gillick's time here.  The rotation needed two pitchers last year.  He signed Ryan Franklin.  The bullpen needed a set-up man.  He traded for Arthur Rhodes.

And now rumor has it that he wants Wolf back.  So basically chances are that 4/5 of the rotation is going to be from Wade. 

[MDS]

Well yes. But last year there was nobody on the market worth a damn, and he didn't think the team was any good. So he wasn't going to overpay for some middle of the road pitcher to complete the rotation. This year, he thinks they can win. That is why he will go out and spend the asses on Soriano to put the team over the top.

The rotation with Wolf would be fairly solid. Some question marks at the top, but 3's and 4's round out the back end. Again, everything falls into place if Myers and Hamels are aces.

But little does he know that this is the Phillies, and no matter his plan, it will be countered with chokes and inconsistency from his team.

[mpmcgraw]

Soriano does not put this team over the top if he is just replacing Burrell.

I'd put him in right and trade Rowand.  THAT would be the huge upgrade that you claim Soriano over Burrell is.

I'd get rid of Burrell and replace him with Sheff though, if possible.

[MDS]

Sheffield sucks. I'm for trading Rowand if they get something for him. But he isn't horrible. Don't underate him just because others overrate him.

[mpmcgraw]

If we didnt have to give up much for Sheff, he is a decent option.  There were rumors that we were going to trade Leiber, Floyd, and Madson for him.  Ugh. 

Rowand is average.  But so was Bell who was also pretty good defensively.  The glorification is of Rowand is disgusting

[Rome]

Bell was a walking clusterfarg.

Shut up, already.

[mpmcgraw]

Rowand is also a walking clusterfarg.

[Geowhizzer]

Burrell has a lot of company, then.

[mpmcgraw]

Burrell can hardly walk.