06/07 Phillies Offseason Thread

MDS · October 17, 2006, 04:09:04 PM

I like the brutal honesty from Gillick. Pat sucks and we need someone better. Right now, old man.

Sheffield? Ehh...end of the line option. Carlos Lee doesn't seem to be one, and Soriano will probably be out of their price range. The question about Sheffield is staying healthy. He can produce just fine, it's that he is old and such. Maybe Aramis Ramirez walks? Or they trade for Manny. Good to see that Gillick recognizes that they need to improve the 5th spot behind Howard, at least.

mpmcgraw · October 17, 2006, 06:19:10 PM

Quote"Pat has had a difficult time protecting Howard, so we're going to have to continue to make an adjustment in that area," Phillies general manager Pat Gillick said Monday.

Umm, what?

PhillyPhreak54 · October 17, 2006, 06:35:49 PM

Quote from: mpmcgraw on October 17, 2006, 06:19:10 PM
Quote"Pat has had a difficult time protecting Howard, so we're going to have to continue to make an adjustment in that area," Phillies general manager Pat Gillick said Monday.
Umm, what?

It means your boy sucks.

They had to go get Conine and play Dellucci more to help out. Continuing to make an adjustment means get help.

MDS · October 17, 2006, 06:43:59 PM

Burrell's OPS was high, his ZORP rating was terrific. Stats don't lie, average with RISP do.

mpmcgraw · October 17, 2006, 06:47:54 PM

Burrell sucks much less than Conine.

PhillyPhreak54 · October 17, 2006, 06:48:14 PM

OPS, ZORP, SLG, OPP, HIV...

Anyone who is able to see knows that Patty blows and don't need those things to try to crutch him up.

MDS · October 17, 2006, 06:50:45 PM

Quote from: mpmcgraw on October 17, 2006, 06:47:54 PM
Burrell sucks much less than Conine.

Way to spin, O'Reilly. He sucks, period. They're trading him and getting someone better. Done.

mpmcgraw · October 17, 2006, 06:51:26 PM

Trotter blowing goat this year is also a mirage. It's not like other middle linebackers make plays on runs that are not up the middle.

mpmcgraw · October 17, 2006, 06:53:42 PM

Quote from: MDS on October 17, 2006, 06:50:45 PM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on October 17, 2006, 06:47:54 PM
Burrell sucks much less than Conine.

Way to spin, O'Reilly. He sucks, period. They're trading him and getting someone better. Done.

I wasnt responding to you dipshtein and if they trade him without making another big move this offense will be significantly worse next year.

The outfield is in pretty bad shape as is. If they eat too much of Burrell's contract the trade is going to be redundant anyway.

PhillyPhreak54 · October 17, 2006, 07:02:00 PM

Haha...mp is going after Trotter to try to get me riled up.

Not going to work.

Burrell sucks. Accept it and move on.

MDS · October 17, 2006, 07:04:34 PM

He's better than Conine.

mpmcgraw · October 17, 2006, 07:06:22 PM

I was hoping you would say how many tackles he has made this year. You know how those pesky stats can be misleading though!

Unless they support your argument obviously.

Burrell does not suck. He is just about league average for a left fielder all around. Many other teams have players like Burrell in left. You just dont get to see them everyday which is why you think they are better options. Yes, Burrell hurts this team with his contract, but as a player alone he does not necessarily suck.

mpmcgraw · October 17, 2006, 07:06:58 PM

Quote from: MDS on October 17, 2006, 07:04:34 PM
He's better than Conine.

I will give you that Trotter is better than Conine.

PhillyPhreak54 · October 17, 2006, 07:14:56 PM

Quote from: mpmcgraw on October 17, 2006, 07:06:22 PM
I was hoping you would say how many tackles he has made this year. You know how those pesky stats can be misleading though!

Unless they support your argument obviously.

Burrell does not suck. He is just about league average for a left fielder all around. Many other teams have players like Burrell in left. You just dont get to see them everyday which is why you think they are better options. Yes, Burrell hurts this team with his contract, but as a player alone he does not necessarily suck.

Stats are applicable at certain times. A players impact should be measured by more than just the raw numbers. Burrell had a negative impact on that team. He will continue to do so because he is so fargin flawed at the plate it is ridiculous. I hope they trade him. I hope Gillick tells him if he doesn't waive his NTC he'd better get used to sitting on the bench.

I can't understand how you can defend him despite watching him turn in horrid performance after horrid performance this season.

mpmcgraw · October 17, 2006, 07:20:51 PM

I can defend him because I never knew who he was before he came to the majors and I never had any expectations for him. If I had known about him and his pedigree than maybe I would hate him right now. As a player I just dont believe he sucks or hurts this team. In the grand scheme yes, he definitely hurts this team, but I still dont believe he sucks as a player.