Smoking ban in Philadelphia approved

[Munson]

Beer, SUV's, and steak aren't effecting the health of those around you, and creating a general annoyance to large amounts of people, are they?
Or the fact that drinking in moderation won't kill your liver or brain cells, and infact it has been proven to even be healthy, but smoking "in moderation" will still put tar on your lungs and unhealthy smoke into the air that others around you are breathing in.

But I guess that isn't important.

Not to mention the fact that smoking is the most annoying, gross, unhealthy thing a person can do. Like I said, if it's so important for the people who smoke to smoke, then they can step outside the door and continue thier quest to catch some Cancer.

My mom has been smoking since I was little, and it kills me that one day I'll probably be burrying her much sooner then she ever should have been burried because of lung, throat, or some sort of other cancer related to smoking. My grandmother has already died of lung cancer, she was a smoker for many years. I too will probably one day have cancer, thanks in large part to 2nd hand smoke. Yippie for smoking! Slow suicide!

And yeah, it gets annoying when people smell your clothes and ask if you're a smoker. And that's just from being in the same house as my mom, she doesn't even smoke around me anymore. But my clothes still smell like smoke.

Why should I have to put up with that when I'm out and about? Smoking is stupid, it doesn't "calm you down" by any means, and niccotine is the most addicting substance not injected with a needle. It would not bother me in the slightest if they ever just got rid of smoking completely. Of course they never will because the government makes too much of a profit on killing its people slowly.

You can cry about the government controlling life all yo uwant....but I think there's a huge difference between smoking cancer sticks, and something like 1984.

You want to smoke? Fine. Don't do it indoors and effect all the people around you.

[rjs246]

You want to get into semantics with me? Fine.

Beer, SUV's, and steak aren't effecting the health of those around you, and creating a general annoyance to large amounts of people, are they?

Alcohol related illnesses including cirrhosis, heart disease and cancer are among the leading causes of death in the western world. The cost of fighting these diseases has directly led to the ridiculous costs of health insurance. That is a general annoyance to large amounts of people. Ban alcohol.

SUVs cause an absurd amount of air pollution which contributes to poor respiratory health and depletes the ozone layer further contributing to the risk of skin cancer. They use up gasoline and therefore a large amount of natural resources. This affects the health of those around you and is a general annoyance to large amounts of people. Ban automobiles.

Red meat contributes to high blood pressure, heart disease and colon cancer, again impacting the cost of health care/insurance. In addition the unnaturally large amount of cattle in the world produces a very high output of methane into the air causing poor air quality in those areas and contributing to respiratory problems. This affects the health of those arround you and is a general annoyance to large amounts of people. Ban beef.

Or the fact that drinking in moderation won't kill your liver or brain cells, and infact it has been proven to even be healthy, but smoking "in moderation" will still put tar on your lungs and unhealthy smoke into the air that others around you are breathing in.

But I guess that isn't important.

Great point! How many people do you know who drink for their health? A lot, I bet. I bet hardly anyone you know drinks alcohol to get drunk. Strictly health related. Strictly.

Not to mention the fact that smoking is the most annoying, gross, unhealthy thing a person can do. Like I said, if it's so important for the people who smoke to smoke, then they can step outside the door and continue thier quest to catch some Cancer.

Oh, well if something is annoying we should definitely make it illegal. I think that picking one's nose is annoying and gross. Similarly burping, spitting and farting all all exceedingly gross and annoying. We should set up certain areas where these behaviors are allowed and make them illegal everywhere else. Good idea, Stalin.

My mom has been smoking since I was little, and it kills me that one day I'll probably be burrying her much sooner then she ever should have been burried because of lung, throat, or some sort of other cancer related to smoking. My grandmother has already died of lung cancer, she was a smoker for many years. I too will probably one day have cancer, thanks in large part to 2nd hand smoke. Yippie for smoking! Slow suicide!

Life, all life, in every form, leads to one inevitable end. Death. I'm sorry that your grandmother died of cancer but guess what, everyone dies. How and when are basically irrelevant. Why force your whiney attitudes about what is annoying in the form of ridiculous and gratuitous laws upon everyone in the mean time? Oh right, because you're an idiot.

And yeah, it gets annoying when people smell your clothes and ask if you're a smoker. And that's just from being in the same house as my mom, she doesn't even smoke around me anymore. But my clothes still smell like smoke.

Why should I have to put up with that when I'm out and about? Smoking is stupid, it doesn't "calm you down" by any means, and niccotine is the most addicting substance not injected with a needle. It would not bother me in the slightest if they ever just got rid of smoking completely. Of course they never will because the government makes too much of a profit on killing its people slowly.

Again it's all about things that annoy you. Why should anyone give a rats ass about what annoys you, let alone pass a law limiting people's right to choose how they treat their own bodies, based on your list of annoyances? I'll bet there are lots of things that annoy you. I'll bet you'd be annoyed if I sat over you and sqeezed a wet fart onto your face, but there's no law against that. Better start a petition! Laws were not meant to be created to make your whiney life annoyance-free.

You can cry about the government controlling life all yo uwant....but I think there's a huge difference between smoking cancer sticks, and something like 1984.

Wrong. These are the necessary first steps to a situation EXACTLY like 1984. Small things first. Big things later. Just ask Hitler.

You want to smoke? Fine. Don't do it indoors and effect all the people around you.

You lose.

[ice grillin you]

You lose.

actually you lose because soon smoking will be banned nationwide in all public spaces

hopefully one day it will be illegal to smoke at all....there would be nothing better than to see all the tobacco companies go bankrupt in my lifetime..they are some of the most despicable people on the planet

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

hopefully one day it will be illegal to smoke at all....there would be nothing better than to see all the tobacco companies go bankrupt in my lifetime..they are some of the most despicable people on the planet

That's great in theory.  But honestly, do you think that the government would draw the line at our personal liberties at smoking if they were able to do that?

At some point as Americans, we have to push back on this.

[rjs246]

At some point as Americans, we have to push back on this.

Why? I think it's great that civil liberties are slowly but surely being stripped away. I mean, anything to make my clothes smell clean after I've been at a dirty bar all night.

[Diomedes]

actually you lose because soon smoking will be banned nationwide in all public spaces

hopefully one day it will be illegal to smoke at all....there would be nothing better than to see all the tobacco companies go bankrupt in my lifetime..they are some of the most despicable people on the planet

Nothing makes me want to start smoking again as much as the tripe you spew, igy.  Your fascistic, weak minded gloating over government incursion into private life galls me.  Really, it does.  I'd like to drop by your parents house and smoke a pack of Kools in your bedroom while you're at the record shop pretending to be black, just so I can see you cry when your blanky smells bad.

[ice grillin you]

boo hoo...i cant smoke in a bar or restaurant

your personal liberty is to be able to smoke...not smoke wherever and whenever you want...just like you cant play a boom box on the subway or in a movie theater...but you can play it

when the govt bans smoking then come crying to me...until then save your energy for something that really matters

[Wingspan]

when the govt bans smoking then come crying to me...until then save your energy for something that really matters

it will never happen. the tobacco companies "donate" millions to politicians on both sides. they dont want to lose that money. that and tobacco is one of the highest employing industries in this country...along with some of the biggest export $.

10000's would go unemployed, and the economy would deteriorate.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Plus, imagine how much more farged Social Security would be without the smokers dying young?

[ice grillin you]

personal liberty order of importance chart:

1. smoking in restaurants and bars
2. freedom of speech
3. seperation of church and state

[mussa]

I can do without cigarettes, but I need me sum cigars

[Munson]

You want to get into semantics with me? Fine.

Beer, SUV's, and steak aren't effecting the health of those around you, and creating a general annoyance to large amounts of people, are they?

Alcohol related illnesses including cirrhosis, heart disease and cancer are among the leading causes of death in the western world. The cost of fighting these diseases has directly led to the ridiculous costs of health insurance. That is a general annoyance to large amounts of people. Ban alcohol.

SUVs cause an absurd amount of air pollution which contributes to poor respiratory health and depletes the ozone layer further contributing to the risk of skin cancer. They use up gasoline and therefore a large amount of natural resources. This affects the health of those around you and is a general annoyance to large amounts of people. Ban automobiles.

Red meat contributes to high blood pressure, heart disease and colon cancer, again impacting the cost of health care/insurance. In addition the unnaturally large amount of cattle in the world produces a very high output of methane into the air causing poor air quality in those areas and contributing to respiratory problems. This affects the health of those arround you and is a general annoyance to large amounts of people. Ban beef.

Or the fact that drinking in moderation won't kill your liver or brain cells, and infact it has been proven to even be healthy, but smoking "in moderation" will still put tar on your lungs and unhealthy smoke into the air that others around you are breathing in.

But I guess that isn't important.

Great point! How many people do you know who drink for their health? A lot, I bet. I bet hardly anyone you know drinks alcohol to get drunk. Strictly health related. Strictly.

Not to mention the fact that smoking is the most annoying, gross, unhealthy thing a person can do. Like I said, if it's so important for the people who smoke to smoke, then they can step outside the door and continue thier quest to catch some Cancer.

Oh, well if something is annoying we should definitely make it illegal. I think that picking one's nose is annoying and gross. Similarly burping, spitting and farting all all exceedingly gross and annoying. We should set up certain areas where these behaviors are allowed and make them illegal everywhere else. Good idea, Stalin.

My mom has been smoking since I was little, and it kills me that one day I'll probably be burrying her much sooner then she ever should have been burried because of lung, throat, or some sort of other cancer related to smoking. My grandmother has already died of lung cancer, she was a smoker for many years. I too will probably one day have cancer, thanks in large part to 2nd hand smoke. Yippie for smoking! Slow suicide!

Life, all life, in every form, leads to one inevitable end. Death. I'm sorry that your grandmother died of cancer but guess what, everyone dies. How and when are basically irrelevant. Why force your whiney attitudes about what is annoying in the form of ridiculous and gratuitous laws upon everyone in the mean time? Oh right, because you're an idiot.

And yeah, it gets annoying when people smell your clothes and ask if you're a smoker. And that's just from being in the same house as my mom, she doesn't even smoke around me anymore. But my clothes still smell like smoke.

Why should I have to put up with that when I'm out and about? Smoking is stupid, it doesn't "calm you down" by any means, and niccotine is the most addicting substance not injected with a needle. It would not bother me in the slightest if they ever just got rid of smoking completely. Of course they never will because the government makes too much of a profit on killing its people slowly.

Again it's all about things that annoy you. Why should anyone give a rats ass about what annoys you, let alone pass a law limiting people's right to choose how they treat their own bodies, based on your list of annoyances? I'll bet there are lots of things that annoy you. I'll bet you'd be annoyed if I sat over you and sqeezed a wet fart onto your face, but there's no law against that. Better start a petition! Laws were not meant to be created to make your whiney life annoyance-free.

You can cry about the government controlling life all yo uwant....but I think there's a huge difference between smoking cancer sticks, and something like 1984.

Wrong. These are the necessary first steps to a situation EXACTLY like 1984. Small things first. Big things later. Just ask Hitler.

You want to smoke? Fine. Don't do it indoors and effect all the people around you.

You lose.

Let me see if I can digest your post in order.

First of all, people who are HEAVY drinkers aquire those problems. Alcoholics are considered ill, and are given help when identified. We even have programs for them. Heart disease and cancer....hmm, what causes more cancer...smoking or alcohol? Not to mention that sitting at a bar drinking some beer isn't effecting the health of OTHER rPEOPLE AROUND YOU. Unless you get drunk and drive, but that's what stupid people do.

SUV's spill co2 into the air, trapping heat and contributiing to global warming. Driving them does NOT effect the immediate health or the air the people around you are breathing. If it matters, I hate SUV's, and I hate people that drive them, because I consider them one of the main causes for gas prices being so high. But driving SUV's does not effect my immediate health, and I don't have to stand or eat next to running SUV's.

Once again, eating red meat does not effect the health or the air of the people around you, does it? Are you seriously failing to see this connection? Stop comparing apples and oranges.

RJS, considering a lot of my family comes from Italy, I actually do know quite of a lot of people who drink a glass of wine or two a night. Which is said to be healthy for one's heart. Like I said, drinking alcohol, in moderation, is not bad for you. Smoking, at any amount, is not only bad for you, but it's bad for the people around you breahting in your smoke. THAT's why smoking is banned indoors, as it should be.

Blah blah blah burping, farting, picking your nose does not effect your health or the health of others, let alone the air quality. Farting will make it smell just as bad though. But you fail to see the difference between general human behaviors and smoking, and how it effects health.

Smoking. Causes. Cancer. It is suicide in its slowest form, and just because YOU choose that lifestyle doesn't mean that others around you should have to suffer when going out for a meal, or for a drink at the bar. If smoking a cigarette is that important, if continuing to kill yourself is that imporant, then go outside where it will not effect the whole goddamn room of people.

And I think it annoys more then just me, because I know I alone wouldn't have been able to get this law passed.

RJS, a ban to smoking indoors will not lead to 1984. The most it will lead to is a ban of smoking period. But as I've already stated, that will never happen, as tobacco is too profitable.

I don't really think taking away a person's ability to kill the other people around them is going to lead to supression of freedom of speech.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Munson, forget the smoking stuff... Just tell us you didn't miss an opportunity to bone this broad, so we know you're not gay.

[Father Demon]

Too.
Many.
Words.

[QB Eagles]

hopefully one day it will be illegal to smoke at all....there would be nothing better than to see all the tobacco companies go bankrupt in my lifetime..they are some of the most despicable people on the planet

Probably not more despicable than the people who would take over the industry if it were made illegal: international drug cartels, terrorists, and gangs. The tobacco companies are selling a product that kills people; in your world, the product would still be killing people, only now the people selling it would be killing plenty of other people directly as well.