Tickets Go On Sale June 14

[Wingspan]

When you remove Season Tickets from the fans and give large blocks to scalpers, you create an avenue for other teams to take over your stadium.  That is what has happened.  In '03 and '04 the Giants and taterskins were out of it.  But now as they move towards the top and the Eagles are clearly not the class of the division anymore, you will see more and more of their fans.

the bolded part of that paragraph is the only part of your rambling that is even remotely relevant. thats what i want to find out. does razorgator give an amount of each sale back to the eagles. and where the tickets came from in the first place.

there is nothing wrong with a fan selling tickets. and it doesnt matter, at the end of the day, who buys them.

the only part of this that is relevant, and could be considered scalping, is if the amount of these tickets going directly to stubhub, or razorgator and never actually pass through normal fan purchasing outlets (either via a season ticket, or single game sales)

none of your other pulizer quality rants have anything to do with the real issue.

[SunMo]

i wish i could care this much

[phattymatty]

You write for the Daily News?  That is a coindense.

Anyone can submit an article with facts and have a newspaper verify the facts and ask questions of important people for the story, that I do not have access to.  So yes, I helped write the story, even though I do not work for the paper.

never mind.

[MadMarchHare]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/23/AR2006072300721.html

The Post picked this up.  And they're painting it as a way for the teams (particularly bashing the taterskins, I might add) to recoup scalper profits.

Wing, read this article.  It says that's exactly what they're doing, licensing out scalping to get a piece of the pie.

[ice grillin you]

if the eagles werent getting a cut they wouldnt be in bed with razorgater....you think they are going to risk the negative attention of having a relationship with a ticket scalper just because

[MURP]

Its like the current political administration.  They will do whatever they want, deny any wrong doing, and even if they are caught they act above the law and just carry on like it doesnt matter.

[ice grillin you]

exactly

and the sheep will continue to follow

[Wingspan]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/23/AR2006072300721.html

The Post picked this up.  And they're painting it as a way for the teams (particularly bashing the taterskins, I might add) to recoup scalper profits.

Wing, read this article.  It says that's exactly what they're doing, licensing out scalping to get a piece of the pie.

oh i know. i suspect it is deeper than that. there are three elements to this

1) normal sponsorship deals
2) face value ticket price
3) anything above 1+2

basically, i think the eagles are getting #3. that this basically gives the eagles more off the books revenue (meaning it isnt going into the revenue sharing that determines the salary cap).

[reese125]

NFL Owners Training Manual

A. Tickets Sales--Season Tickets and Distribution

Rule 1: Keep quiet and everyone get a piece of the pie

[MadMarchHare]

Hoagiegate.  It's entirely possible, IMO, that they didn't think anyone would notice or care.
Other teams had relationships before the Birds, and nothing ever happened.  Only when the Birds starting doing this did it become an issue.  And right now, it looks like tsunami time.
The best way to get the suits in Congress interested in something is an inflammatory article in the Post.

[ttllabtoof]

Ever been to a Phillies-Mets game???  That is what is coming for the Birds.  Last year was just a taste.

you couldnt be more wrong

even in the vets worst days it was never like that even when dallas would come in

3-13 at the vet with tons of seats available for seasons tickets and tickets in general being given away was there anything even close to mets or red sox @ phils

so now with a season ticket waiting list (no matter how bogus it is) a new stadium and the eagles at an all-time high in popularity you think tis gonna be worse than ever simply because of razorgator???...not even close

i hate what they are doing more than anyone and i find banner as reprehensible an executive this town has ever had but youre way overblowing the issue of visiting fans

when the eagles are good they will be minimal visiting fans and when they stink there will be a decent amount...basically the same thing that happens at every other stadium in the division...it will never be even close to what goes on at the bank these days

I thought that way going into last season, but seeing those two games has me thinking differently.  How do you think Eagles fans were able to take over other stadiums?  In Miami we had 17,000 and it sounded like we owned the stadium.  It doesn't have to be half and half, if the Birds are losing 10,000 Giants fans sound very loud compared to all of the quiet when the Birds are losing.

It is a bad situation that could only get worse, all over greed.

[ttllabtoof]

When you remove Season Tickets from the fans and give large blocks to scalpers, you create an avenue for other teams to take over your stadium.  That is what has happened.  In '03 and '04 the Giants and taterskins were out of it.  But now as they move towards the top and the Eagles are clearly not the class of the division anymore, you will see more and more of their fans.

the bolded part of that paragraph is the only part of your rambling that is even remotely relevant. thats what i want to find out. does razorgator give an amount of each sale back to the eagles. and where the tickets came from in the first place.

there is nothing wrong with a fan selling tickets. and it doesnt matter, at the end of the day, who buys them.

the only part of this that is relevant, and could be considered scalping, is if the amount of these tickets going directly to stubhub, or razorgator and never actually pass through normal fan purchasing outlets (either via a season ticket, or single game sales)

none of your other pulizer quality rants have anything to do with the real issue.

You simply need to go to RazorGator and check out the guys selling 10 seats together for EVERY GAME.  The is one guy who has 22 tickets in Section 206 Row 4, for every game.  That is the entire row.

Why would the Eagles be selling 22 tickets to one guy solely for scalping them, when they could cut up that block into 11 pairs for local fans?  Its not hard to see this information.  Throw in the fact that the Eagles had single game seats for every game at the end of last season for "sold out" games, and it tells you that their Partner "RazorGator" couldn't scalp them for them, so they returned them to the Eagles so they could get something for them by offering them to the fans.  Thanks ALOT.

None of this is a secret, its all out in the open if you look.  This isn't about a STH selling 2 tix to the Tenn game because he will be out of town, it is about the large blocks the Eagles sell to scalpers and the single game seats they slid to RazorGator under the table.  Corrupt is about the nicest thing you can save about Joey B.

[ice grillin you]

I thought that way going into last season, but seeing those two games has me thinking differently.  How do you think Eagles fans were able to take over other stadiums?  In Miami we had 17,000 and it sounded like we owned the stadium.  It doesn't have to be half and half, if the Birds are losing 10,000 Giants fans sound very loud compared to all of the quiet when the Birds are losing.

you were spoiled in 03 and 04...it was never that good...but last year was not nearly as bad as the lean years at the vet

razorgator has no noticable effect (if any at all) on the amount of visiting fans that come to the linc...ticket scalpers in general have an effect for sure...and the eagles not doing enough to get seats into the hands of fans on the waiting list is the problem more so than razorgator...if the tickets werent on razorgator theyd be at another ticket scalper or in the papers or the parking lot

the relationship with rg that the eagles have is as unseemly as it gets...but that relationship by itself doesnt have a tangible impact on the amount of visiting fans in the stadium

[Wingspan]

this is still totally irrelevant without proof. every article on this is speculation, or he said-she said...

[ttllabtoof]

the relationship with rg that the eagles have is as unseemly as it gets...but that relationship by itself doesnt have a tangible impact on the amount of visiting fans in the stadium

If the Eagles had a "zero tolerance" policy for scalping, like is stated on their own web site.  Your point might be solid.

Any ticket sold above face was revoked and given to the next person on the wait list.

Then it wouldn't have an impact on opposing fans, since no tickets would be sold for fear of losing them.  But since the Eagles are telling their fans, along with the scalpers they sell the blocks to, that it is OK.  They have no control over who buys them.

When you throw that many tickets out on the web and you have no idea of who is going to buy them, how can you say it has no tangible effect?  Giants fans will spend more money than Eagles fans, if their record is better.  You saw that last year.  If the teams are both 9-5 and playing each other, then it may be 50/50.  But the fact remains they can still get in just as easy as an Eagles fan.