Sixers offseason

[The BIGSTUD]

.46 is .5 rounded up is 1... ONE WHOLE PERSON.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

.46 is .5 rounded up is 1... ONE WHOLE PERSON.

Flawless logic.  I'm going to knock you down to 44% of a person for that.

[phattymatty]

i really don't see what iverson's situation has to do with drafting a PG either.  drafting someone like williams or rondo has no effect on iverson's minutes.   look at the last time the sixers went to the finals, they had a pass first guard with no jump shot in Snow and that semed to work out fine. 

[ice grillin you]

not just that but these kids are gonna take years to fully develop...none of them should be coming in and starting right away...iverson wont be on the sixers when one of these guys becomes the every day point guard

but even if they do start in 06 iverson moves to the two

this isnt about how good the team will be or who will mesh with who at certain positions...because they are gonna be real bad for the forseeable future regardless...its about adding talent at any and all positions and a good start imo would be to get the point guard of the future...tho they should not be picky and must take the best player available when they pick

[The BIGSTUD]

Drafting a PG has no effect on AI's minutes, but AI's minutes have plenty of effect on a player like Williams.

If Williams was a 6'5 PG it would be different, but he's not. You can't have him and AI in the backcourt at the same time, so that means Williams comes in to sub for AI, when AI comes out. Which if you haven't noticed is practically never.

You can say Williams could be drafted to be our future PG for when AI leaves, but the longer AI stays here without being traded the harder it is to get rid of him. His salary increases and he gets older and older, making him harder to trade.

So conceivably, Marcus Williams who is arguably one of the most NBA ready players in the draft, if not the most ready, would be sitting on the Sixers bench averaging about 10 minutes per game for his first 2/3 years until AI finally departs with the Sixers. What a waste of the early part of his career. Marcus Williams is a guy who when drafted should come in and start for your team right away. If not his rookie year then definitely his sophmore year.

It's different with the Sixers though, because since AI hardly comes out of the game, he'd hardly get any minutes. On any other team, Marcus Williams could get a good 25 minutes per game in his rookie season as a PG, even if they have a star PG already. Not here he wouldn't.

I think if AI stays, the Sixers will look to upgrade the 2,3 or 4 depending on who is the best available at those positions. The reason being, if AI stays, it tells you Billy King is still thinking win now, which means you address the biggest need available at the spot you are drafting. Or is Marcus Williams is drafted with AI still being on the team it tells me that AI is most likely gone this summer or next summer at the latest. Though, if you want to trade AI, IMO you have to do it now, because he'll be that much harder to trade next offseason.

[Rome]

I'd rather have Ray Allen & Allen Iverson on the court at the same time than Iverson, Webber & Iggy.

I don't see how that trade scenario puts the Sixers at a disadvantage.  Allen is a pure shooter and the Sixers need a pure shooter desperately.  They need one far more than they need a played-out chump like Webber. 

Iggy would be a loss, but let's face facts here... he regressed terribly this season.  Does anyone really see him becoming a star player at this point?  Because if so, you're seeing something in him that I'm not.

Nah... I'd do the Allen for Webber & Iggy deal in a second and if they pulled off both deals, I'd be as giddy as Chuggie at a gay porn movie festival.

[The BIGSTUD]

That Ray Allen deal is only worth thinking about if AI stays. Ray Allen is in his 30's. If you trade AI, then you will be looking to get a lot younger. Build your team around guys in their 20's. Sure you'll have some veterans here and there, but to get Ray Allen you'd have to trade one of your young cornerstones, which makes no sense. By the time a rebuilt Sixers team gets good enough to contend, Ray Allen will be long gone.

So as I see it, the only way you think about it is if AI stays, but AI and Ray Allen aren't winning you anything. The Sixers can't do anything to win a championship in the next 5 years at least. Absolutely nothing. By then Allen would be, what, 36?

Just a bad bad idea IMO.

[ice grillin you]

Iggy would be a loss, but let's face facts here... he regressed terribly this season.  Does anyone really see him becoming a star player at this point? 

will he become a star i dont know...but i definitely think he still has star potential...and in three or four years when ray allen is out of the league i dont want to see a 26 year iggy runnin as a superstar or even a very good player in seattle

and who cares if he can shoot and the sixers need a shooter...ray allen is not making the sixers any better...what needs to be realized by everyone here is that the sixers are not going to be competitive for at least four years...so what they need to do is collect talented young guys like iguodala not collect over paid 31 uyear olds like ray allen...if youre going to do that then just keep iverson and webber until thier contracts run out

[Wingspan]

I don't remember if the old system (11 balls for the worst team, 10 balls for the 2nd-worst team, etc., down to 1 ball for the best non-playoff team) determined all 11 spots.  I thought that one only did the top three as well.  The outcry was over the 11-71 Mavericks falling to 4th, the 19-63 T'Wolves falling to 5th and the 22-60 Bullets falling to 6th while the 41-41 Magic had one ball in the lottery and ended up winning the thing, like Rome said, and the 34-48 Warriors ended up 3rd, so they changed to the heavily-weighted system in 1994...

it is a lottery

whiney bitches

[The BIGSTUD]

I don't think Iguodala necessarily regressed. His jump shot got better, but defensively, yes he probably has regressed. The cause could've been many things. Sophmore ego, lack of focus, or just him going up against the opponent's best offensive player every night. That wears on you. He's the only real defensive player on the team, he needs help.

He needs to take it to the rim more. He has the athleticism to do so.

[Rome]

Allen signed a five year, 80 million dollar contract in 2005 so the numbers would work if he got dealt for Iggy & Webber.

As far as him not improving the Sixers, I completely disagree there.  Iverson would finally have a guy who is capable of taking the pressure off him of throwing up 25 shots a nite for the Sixers to compete.

I'm not saying that other moves wouldn't be required to make the Sixers a competitive team in the East but saying that Allen wouldn't make them better is incorrect in my estimation.

As for Iggy, I think you guys are way over-valuing him.  I don't think he'll ever amount to more than a 6th player type contributor in the league and even though he's a lot younger than Ray Allen, I don't see how that makes any difference when we're talking about the next 4 years.  Both players would be playing during those four years and Allen dwarfs Iggy in terms of talent and production.  As I see it, it's a no-lose proposition.

[Rome]

I don't think Iguodala necessarily regressed. His jump shot got better, but defensively, yes he probably has regressed. The cause could've been many things. Sophmore ego, lack of focus, or just him going up against the opponent's best offensive player every night. That wears on you. He's the only real defensive player on the team, he needs help.

He needs to take it to the rim more. He has the athleticism to do so.

Dude, stop it.

Iggy was a glaring disappointment last season.  GLARING.

[phattymatty]

I don't think Iguodala necessarily regressed. but defensively, yes he probably has regressed.

[The BIGSTUD]

Of course he was. Not because he regressed, but because he didn't improve his game as much as people expected.

His jump shot got a little bit better, but he pretty much stayed the same. That's why he was disappointing. Everyone expected him to blow up in his second season. He didn't. He's stil afraid to shoot the ball and take it inside.

[The BIGSTUD]

I don't think Iguodala necessarily regressed. but defensively, yes he probably has regressed.

Defensive is only one aspect of your game. We are talking about his game as a whole.