Chris Gocong, Philadelphia Eagle

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

then again i didnt expect any criticism of the draft from people on the board

I think the Gocong pick is definitely a risk/reward pick, as is the Justice pick in its own way.  I think the Eagles did a nice job of mixing up "project" guys, who they hope will be big-time players for them down the road and "high-floor" guys who can come in right away and make some plays.

You probably barely remember this, but the opinions of Westbrook were similar to Gocong... meaning that most scouts/pundits hadn't seen nearly enough of him and certainly not against "top" competition.  So, many had him as a late-round/UDFA, and many had him as a sleeper first-day pick.

I didn't like either of the Eagles last two picks, if you want criticism.

[ice grillin you]

its to early to tell on any of these players.....but prejudging them is what the draft is all about...i find it funny that its ok to prejudge if you have a good opinion of an eagle pick but if you dont like a pick then youre insane and making judgements waaaay to early

[Rome]

Your basing your dislike of him on what exactly?

Was he a bad pick because he played at a D1-AA school?  Was he a bad pick because he played against inferior opponents?  Was he a bad pick because he absolutely dominated at the level he played at?  Is it the high motor, the athleticism... what is it about him that makes him an "awful" pick in your eyes?

Or is it something else, IGY?  If you wanted someone else at that pick, then say so.  Criticism is fine when it's warranted but yours is baseless and unsupportable in this instance and you're not providing anyone with a logical counter-argument.

[MadMarchHare]

As I said above, I know nothing of any of these guys.  I only watch pro football.  The only guy drafted I know anything about is the goofy dude from the UConn BB team, and I only know his BB skills.

But the prevailing opinion among draft pundits was that Bunkley, Justice and Jean-Gilles were potentially 1st round talent.  We got the latter two in later rounds, and had to trade very little to do it.  Even with my limited knowledge of these players, that sure sniffs of a successful draft.  And even after 6-10, I'm willing to give the FO the benefit of the doubt on Gocong.  All the talk the week up to the draft was how were we going to convert one of these WILs to SAM?  The FO chose to do it with a DE.

[ice grillin you]

Your basing your dislike of him on what exactly?

andy has a history of like picks in that area of the draft that have been bad
the kid has question marks all over him
he played against inferior competition
there were much better picks to be made at that point
he would have been around in the 4th


people say all the time that they dont want andy taking a wr high because he isnt successful in taking them....same with linebackers...and people say that BEFORE the draft...but yet i cant have my opinion on this guy after hes picked?

saying a pick is bad BEFORE its made = ok
saying a pick is bad after its made = insane
saying a pick is good after its made = smart

i get it

[Rome]

Thanks for not answering my questions.

I'm simply trying to engage you in discussion here.  Is that possible?

[ice grillin you]

not only did i answer them but ive clearly stated why he was a bad pick numerous times in the rest of the thread...so really what it comes down to is you dont like my answers...and even more than that you cant handle anyone saying anything remotely critical of the eagles and the gawd andy

the fact that i give them a b+ doesnt matter because theres one pick i didnt like....some of you homers are downright scary

[Beermonkey]

I'm in no way comparing Gocong's skills to any of these following players, but converting a DE to LB is by no means an unusual process as some may indicate.

Of the top of my head, here's some that have made the transition:

Teddy Bruschi
DeMarcus Ware
Shawne Merriman
Terrell Suggs
Jason Babin

[Rome]

It's useless even trying to converse with you, IGY.

I simply wanted you to answer my questions regarding Gocong directly, and instead, you took it as an opportunity to call me a homer and insult me.

Whatever.

[ice grillin you]

i thought you were proud to be a homer...how is that an insult...youre one of the great ones

anyway youre king of the insults...if i searched words like a-hole moron dope ect and your screenname the server would crash thered be so many results...not that i care what you call me but its funny you considering homer to be an insult

[Mad-Lad]

I'm in no way comparing Gocong's skills to any of these following players, but converting a DE to LB is by no means an unusual process as some may indicate.

Of the top of my head, here's some that have made the transition:

Teddy Bruschi
DeMarcus Ware
Shawne Merriman
Terrell Suggs
Jason Babin

I see your argument, but how many of those players made the transition to be a 4-3 linebacker?

[Rome]

IGY...  I admit that in the past I've gotten into it with you without cause.

I was attempting to change my tack with you and engage you in a topical discussion where you can present your argument and I can present mine.

I was wrong.  My efforts in this regard are useless.  Unless people are in agreement with you, you really have no interest in discussing anything.

Like I said earlier... whatever.

[Beermonkey]

I'm in no way comparing Gocong's skills to any of these following players, but converting a DE to LB is by no means an unusual process as some may indicate.

Of the top of my head, here's some that have made the transition:

Teddy Bruschi
DeMarcus Ware
Shawne Merriman
Terrell Suggs
Jason Babin

I see your argument, but how many of those players made the transition to be a 4-3 linebacker?

Good question, I don't know & will leave that up others who follow other teams more than me.  The point I really was trying to make was that it's not like attempting to convert a tackle to wide receiver like some people on other boards make it seem.

[ice grillin you]

i dont know what else you want me to say...ive stated my feelings on why i didnt like the pick...numerous times...you dont agree with it...thats fine...but i dont understand why you keep saying i wont have a discussion on it...its all ive done today

[MadMarchHare]

I think the issue is tone, IGY.  Most people here are saying they really like the pick, and are excited about it.  Not that it IS a good pick, but they think/hope it is.

You are saying, emphatically, I might add, that it IS a bad pick.  That there is absolutely no hope of Gocong EVER being anything other than a situational player and special teamer.  That absolute is what people are objecting to, not the opinion that he might not work out.