Eagles Front Office MISTAKES!

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

thats makes it even more scary

ware was the ultimate tweener...way to slow and inflexible to be a corner and to frail to be a safety...he was a classic college player whos game had no chance of translating to the nfl

I'd like to see where you're on the record on that BEFORE the draft.

P.S.
Ware going #26 overall - Fanball
Ware going #31 overall - NFL Draft Countdown
Ware going #54 overall - askthecommish.com
Ware going #56 overall - football.com

I'm pretty sure your boy Kiper had him going no later than the 2nd.  In fact, I don't remember looking at a mock before that draft that had him falling anywhere into the 3rd.

[SunMo]

wasn't the only reason he fell because people weren't sure he was going to play football over baseball?

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

wasn't the only reason he fell because people weren't sure he was going to play football over baseball?

At the time that was the biggest reason he fell, yes.  IGY would have you believe that it was because he was a cornerback trapped in a safety's body, but the possibility of him playing baseball was the biggest reason.

[SunMo]

don't talk bad about IGY, as president of his fan club, i am sworn to defend his honor, even if it means my life

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

even if it means my life

You could at least defend him with something of value.

[PhillyGirl]

Kiper on the Eagles draft that year:

Philadelphia Eagles: B
I like what the Eagles did, moving up to get Shawn Andrews, the tremendous run-blocking tackle from Arkansas, while Trey Darilek and Adrien Clarke will also provide some depth along the offensive front. Matt Ware and J.R. Reid are both versatile defensive backs and fullback Thomas Tapeh made sense in the fifth round.

From before the draft:

Defensive back
1. Sean Taylor, Miami (Fla.) -- Taylor is to the safety spot at Miami what Ray Lewis was to the middle linebacker position, outpacing predecessors at safety like Bennie Blades and Ed Reed. The prototype safety at 6-2¼, 225, Taylor has the necessary attitude and instincts. A top-five overall pick should he come out.

2. Chris Gamble, Ohio State -- A two-way player who also saw time at WR, Gamble has unlimited upside as a cornerback but still needs some work on the finer technical points of CB play. He has good ball skills and excellent size for a corner (6-1&189;, 181) but still needs to refine the fundamentals. Still, Gamble looks like a first round pick no matter when he comes out.

3. DeAngelo Hall, Virginia Tech -- A Tremendous physical specimen at 5-10&189;, 186, Hall has great strength and unbelievable speed (claims to run in the 4.2-4.25 range). Has recovery ability in coverage and averaged 14.5 yards per punt return this season. Probably not a shut-down corner but is very effective.

4. Matt Ware, UCLA -- Another good-size corner or safety at 6-2½, 205. Ware is a good athlete who will likely be a safety in the NFL but has the versatility to play corner as well. Durability has been a concern, though, as he has lost time to injury the last couple of seasons.

5. Marlin Jackson, Michigan -- Moved from CB to safety prior to this season in order for the Wolverines to get their four best DBs on the field together. Does not have great recovers speed and will have to show in workouts whether he will be a corner or safety at the next level.

Others of note: Sean Jones, Georgia; Antrel Rolle, Miami (Fla.); James Butler, Georgia Tech

[hunt]

I'd like to see where you're on the record on that BEFORE the draft.

now i get it...you don't think the eagles' front office whose job it is to eat, sleep, & shtein football should be held to a higher standard than the average fan when it comes to player talent evaluation.
i'm slow but it's starting to come together.

[SD_Eagle5]

Picked Freddie Mitchell in the first round when Reggie Wayne, Chad Johnson, Alge Crumpler, and Chris Chambers were still on the board.

[PhillyGirl]

He also had GB picking Ware in the first round in his mock that year:

DT Harris enters top five
By Mel Kiper Jr.
Special to ESPN Insider
Archive

MOCK DRAFT: Kiper's revised first-round projection | March 2

The all-star games are over, and the combine is history, and the result has been plenty of change in my first-round projection for the 2004 NFL draft. The top four have remained the same, but beyond that, the shifting continues.

1. San Diego Chargers: Eli Manning, QB, Ole Miss
The Chargers have a lot of needs, and there certainly are a number of trade scenarios San Diego could consider, but the team is not sold on Drew Brees as its QB, and Manning would be the logical choice to build around should the Chargers hold onto the top spot.

2. Oakland Raiders: *Larry Fitzgerald, WR, Pittsburgh
Another team with many needs. Oakland could use help at DL and S, but with an adequate show of speed in his workout, Fitzgerald could have the most impact of any player at any position for the Raiders. He has all the necessary skills.

3. Arizona Cardinals: *Ben Roethlisberger, QB, Miami-Ohio
Whether or not the Cardinals feel Josh McCown is an adequate QB, Roethlisberger has the potential to be special, and Arizona cannot afford to pass on an opportunity to upgrade the most important position in that way. Should the Cardinals not opt for a QB, look for them to go after a skill position player, perhaps a WR.

4. New York Giants: Robert Gallery, OT, Iowa
Gallery is a textbook left tackle who would be a huge help to QB Kerry Collins. Another player with the ability to step in as a starter and immediately fill a big need. DL and S are other need areas.

5. Washington taterskins: *Tommie Harris, DT, Oklahoma
DT is a critical need area for Washington, which could also use help at S or TE, but the defensive front is what requires immediate attention. Because they have limited picks early in the draft, a trade down is a distinct possibility. The taterskins could move down and still be able to fill their need at DT or go to S or TE.

6. Detroit Lions: *Sean Taylor, S, Miami-Fla.
Despite a lackluster individual workout, he is still arguably the best defensive player in the draft. The Lions sorely need a big-time player on that side of the ball, so Taylor would be an ideal fit.

7. Cleveland Browns: *Kellen Winslow, TE, Miami-Fla.
Cleveland coach Butch Davis knows the Miami program well, having been the head coach there, and Winslow would be a nice fit. He has the athletic ability to stretch the middle of the field and also flank out as a wide receiver. He could be a dynamic performer in that offense.

8. Atlanta Falcons: *Mike Williams, WR, USC
Everything depends on Williams' individual workout. If he has a better workout than Fitzgerald, he could jump to No. 2. But short of that, he still ought to crack the top 10. Michael Vick could use another weapon to go with Peerless Price, and Williams would be a perfect complement.

9. Jacksonville Jaguars: Roy Williams, WR, Texas
Williams has been overshadowed by some underclassmen recently, but let's not forget he was at the top of my board when the season started. He has the athleticism and maturity to learn a lot from Jimmy Smith.

10. Houston Texans: *Kenechi Udeze, DE, USC
Udeze is a combination guy who played both DE and DT in college, so he would be a great fit in Houston's 3-4 scheme. At 280 pounds with great natural skills, he is pretty much the prototype end in that system.

11. Pittsburgh Steelers: Philip Rivers, QB, N.C. State
Rivers is just the kind of QB coach Bill Cowher is looking for in Pittsburgh: smart, tough and experienced with a quick release. He could step in to challenge immediatley for the job and fill a big hole for the Steelers.

12. New York Jets: Dunta Robinson, CB, South Carolina
The Jets need a cover guy, and Robinson is the best available. He had a nice combine workout and a solid career with the Gamecocks, making him an excellent hole-filler for a team that needs secondary help.

13. Buffalo Bills: Will Smith, DE, Ohio State
Would give the Bills the outside pressure their defense was unable to generate last season. Buffalo also has to strongly consider CBs at this spot if they feel DE is not the way to go.

14. Chicago Bears: *Vince Wilfork, DE, Miami-Fla.
Wilfork has been skyrocketing up the board since showing up at the combine at 323 pounds. Had a good individual workout and is a potential dominator at the line of scrimmage. Better than anyone on the roster right now.

15. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: *Shawn Andrews, OT, Arkansas
The best run-blocking tackle to come out in years, Andrews would be a nice way to round out the running attack in Tampa. Has the potential to destroy defenses from the right side.

16. San Francisco 49ers: *Reggie Williams, WR, Washington
At 6-3, 230, Williams could give the 49ers something nice to fall back on with the status of Terrell Owens very much up in the air. With his combo of size and speed, Williams is more or less a younger Owens.

17. Cincinnati Bengals: *DeAngelo Hall, CB, Virginia Tech
His 4.3 speed gives him not only tremendous recovery ability but makes him dangerous as a punt returner. Marvin Lewis was watching the CBs closely at the Senior Bowl, and Hall would make a lot of sense in the middle of the first round.

18. New Orleans Saints: *Chris Gamble, CB, Ohio State
New Orleans passed on Marcus Trufant last season, and Gamble would give the Saints the big corner they need so badly. He is a bigger corner with tremendous upside once he gets some experience.

19. Minnesota Vikings: Jason Babin, DE, Western Michigan
The first curveball of the draft. Babin was one of the best defensive players in the history of the Mid-America Conference, a sack artist with a great motor who was also impressive at the combine. The Vikings are looking for speed off the edge, and Babin would give them just that. My big surprise of the first round.

20. Miami Dolphins: *Michael Clayton, WR, LSU
Does not have big-time speed but is one of the toughest, most physical receivers you'll ever see. Would be perfect for a Miami team looking for a partner for Chris Chambers.

21. New England Patriots (from Baltimore): *Steven Jackson, RB, Oregon State
Tweaked his knee a bit in Oregon State's Bowl game, but still the perfect back for New England. Jackson is a big back who can bounce outside and is exceptional at catching the ball out of the backfield. To get the No. 1 running back on the board with the 21st pick is an attractive bargain.

22. Dallas Cowboys: Chris Perry, RB, Michigan
Perry isn't dynamic or flashy, but he is the kind of sound runner, blocker and receiver Bill Parcells likes to have as a reliable three-down option in the backfield.

23. Seattle Seahawks: *Igor Olshansky, DT, Oregon
Showed awesome strength at the combine and also played some at DE in college. Seattle could use an upgrade on the defensive front, and Olshansky is a guy with tremendous potential. Had he gone back to school he would have been one of the top defensive players available in the 2005 draft.

24. Denver Broncos: Ben Troupe, TE, Florida
Denver would not miss a beat inserting Troupe in place of Shannon Sharpe at TE. Troupe is athletic, sure-handed and can make yards after the catch. Would be a major talent at an integral position in Denver.

25. Green Bay: Matt Ware, DB, UCLA
Green Bay has some concerns in the secondary, so Ware makes a lot of sense with his ability to play both CB and S. He is a big, athletic kid who could provide much-needed flexibility and immediate impact.

26. St. Louis Rams: D.J. Williams, LB, Miami-Fla.
Brings speed and athleticism to the outside position and also has the ability to fill in elsewhere. There is also need along the OL and at MLB, but Williams has more to offer at his position.

27. Tennessee Titans: *Randy Starks, DT, Maryland
Robaire Smith is an unrestricted free agent, and Starks is the kind of athletic 305-pounder who would be a nice replacement. Starks could have been a top-10 pick had he returned for his senior year and would be a nice bargain at No. 27 this year.

28. Philadelphia Eagles: Lee Evans, WR, Wisconsin
WR was Philadelphia's Achilles heel in the playoffs, and Evans would be an immediate upgrade. He answered questions about his surgically repaired kneed with a 4.37 in the 40 at the combine and would be just the help Philly QB Donovan McNabb is looking for.

29. Indianapolis Colts: Marcus Tubbs, DT, Texas
The Colts need an interior presence to help stuff the run, and Tubbs is an athletic player who would give them some surge up front. If he can sustain his intensity level for 60 minutes, Tubbs has Pro Bowl potential.

30. Kansas City Chiefs: *Ahmad Carroll, CB, Arkansas
Was a shutdown corner for the Razorbacks and showed good speed at the combine. The Chiefs were completely destroyed by Peyton Manning in the playoffs and need big-time help in coverage, which is just what Carroll provides.

31. Carolina Panthers: Will Poole, CB, USC
The Carolina CBs did a nice job last year and benefited tremendously from a great pass rush. Still, Poole would come in right away and challenge for a starting position as a technically-sound, extremely instinctive cover man.

32. New England Patriots: Vernon Carey, OL, Miami
Carey started at both G and T for the Hurricanes and would give the Patriots some options as a flexible backup. With two picks in each of the first two rounds, the Patriots are in a position this year to draft some quality young depth.

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[Zanshin]

Geez, the way GB drafts CBs...that sounds about right .

[Mad-Lad]

Picked Freddie Mitchell in the first round when Reggie Wayne, Chad Johnson, Alge Crumpler, and Chris Chambers were still on the board.

i noticed "Fast Freddie" failed to mention that in his draft day blunders rant.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

I'd like to see where you're on the record on that BEFORE the draft.

now i get it...you don't think the eagles' front office whose job it is to eat, sleep, & shtein football should be held to a higher standard than the average fan when it comes to player talent evaluation.
i'm slow but it's starting to come together.

Wrong.  I think that there are four types of decisions made in NFL transactions:

1.  Decisions that are generally believed to be correct at the time made and prove to be correct when evaluating the decision in the future.
2.  Decisions that are generally believed to be in poor judgement at the time made but prove to be correct when evaluating in the future.
3.  Decisions that are generally believed to be correct at the time made but prove to be quite poor down the line.
4.  Decisions that look bad when they're made and prove to be just as bad as they first looked in the future.

My problem is that some people do not give the Eagles decision makers and talent evaluators enough credit for all the type 1 and type 2 decisions they've made.  Usually, it's the same people that make no distinction between a type 3 and type 4 decision... or they claim that the type 3 decision was really a type 4 decision all along.  It's a fat load of bullshtein and no way to properly evaluate the performance of the FO.

Picked Freddie Mitchell in the first round when Reggie Wayne, Chad Johnson, Alge Crumpler, and Chris Chambers were still on the board.

i noticed "Fast Freddie" failed to mention that in his draft day blunders rant.

I wanted to leave some for others to post.  That, and I still have a signed/framed photo of Freddie in my office.  It will be a collector's item once everyone else has burned theirs.

[Wingspan]

 

[hunt]

imaginary  "decision types" aside...they really, really could've used burgess last year.

[ice grillin you]

I'd like to see where you're on the record on that BEFORE the draft.

not that i need to defend myself on here as i have no reason to lie but do a search on the emb and youll see from the minute he was drafted i have not come off my opinion of him one bit