Phillies Spring Training Talk

phattymatty · February 20, 2006, 01:12:45 PM

i'm not a huge baseball fan but i just figured if you hit over .400 for a month and your job is to get on base, you should eventually break the .300 mark.

but that .188 he hit in august made that hard i guess.

Sgt PSN · February 20, 2006, 01:18:46 PM

At first I was going to criticize matty's post because I thought that even though Jimmy didn't have a high batting average, I felt that he should be somewhere near the top of the list for On Base %. I was wrong. Jimmy ranked 26th in the NL for OBP (500 or more plate appearences) with .338.

He only drew 47 walks last year and that's where he really needs to improve. He needs to convert some of those K's into BB's, especially since he's the leadoff guy. He also needs to stop trying to hit so many out of the park. Charlie needs to go "Major League" on him and have him do push ups every time he pops one up.

So Matty's post isn't totally out of whack when he says that Jimmy didn't have a "great" year. Because he didn't. However, he did finish the year extremely strong and was a major factor in the Phils even playing meaningful games in September. His plate discipline improved and we can only hope that carries into this year. He finished with 196 hits and also stole 41 bases and was only caught 6 times. That's impressive and we're going to need a lot more of that this year since the Phils execute a hit and run about as well as the Eagles execute on 3rd and 1.

PoopyfaceMcGee · February 20, 2006, 01:48:25 PM

How could anyone say Rollins had a great overall year at the plate? He didn't.

SunMo · February 20, 2006, 02:09:29 PM

Quote from: FFatPatt on February 20, 2006, 01:48:25 PM
How could anyone say Rollins had a great overall year at the plate? He didn't.

of course he didn't, he's not a good leadoff hitter, but he has a long hitting streak, so he must be great.

a guy could go 1 for 4 every game for fifteen years. he'd only hit .250 for his career but have a 2,430 hitting streak. which is better?

Sgt PSN · February 20, 2006, 02:17:20 PM

Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 20, 2006, 02:09:29 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 20, 2006, 01:48:25 PM
How could anyone say Rollins had a great overall year at the plate? He didn't.

of course he didn't, he's not a good leadoff hitter, but he has a long hitting streak, so he must be great.

a guy could go 1 for 4 every game for fifteen years. he'd only hit .250 for his career but have a 2,430 hitting streak. which is better?

I already said that.

I used 10 years as an example because my guy's career got cut short due to injury.

SunMo · February 20, 2006, 02:18:52 PM

nicely done. we're smert

Sgt PSN · February 20, 2006, 02:19:34 PM

And you know this...................MAN!

PhillyPhreak54 · February 20, 2006, 02:49:41 PM

Jimmy is frustrating at times. But sometimes he's penalized by the fans just because he's not a real #1 guy.

If he put up the numbers he does batting 7th then he'd be hailed as a good hitter.

SunMo · February 20, 2006, 03:06:01 PM

that's because the expectations of the #7 hitter aren't as high as a leadoff hitter.

they don't have a true leadoff hitter, so they need to put him there, I guess. but i wish he would try to get on base more.

MDS · February 20, 2006, 03:12:05 PM

Bobby Abreu=true leadoff hitter
but
Bobby Abreu=awsome rbi machine whose talents would be wasted batting leadoff

Sgt PSN · February 20, 2006, 03:13:37 PM

Burrell had a higher OBP than Rollins did last year so I don't know why it isn't blatantly obvious that Burrell should be batting lead off.

rjs246 · February 20, 2006, 03:18:32 PM

Anyone who thinks Jimmy Rollins had a great year last year is farging kidding themselves. He had a great two months and a worhtless rest of the season. He can't get on base to save his life (unless he happens to be in the middle of the best 'streak' of hitting he's ever had) and as a leadoff batter that's his only job. 47 walks? 47 walks!? You're all farging deranged if you think he had a great year. If he learns to take a pitch, he MIGHT turn into a good player, for right now he about as average as they get. But you, know keep thinking that he's amazing. The truth is that he sucks just as hard as the rest of the team.

MURP · February 20, 2006, 03:18:48 PM

top 7 in runs, hits, singles, triples, stolen bases, errors, assists, fielding percentage, batted .290 with a career BA of .273, all star team etc. thats a great year for Rollins IMO. thats all.

rjs246 · February 20, 2006, 03:21:50 PM

Quote from: MURP on February 20, 2006, 03:18:48 PM
top 7 in runs, hits, singles, triples, stolen bases, errors, assists, fielding percentage, batted .290 with a career BA of .273, all star team etc. thats a great year for Rollins IMO. thats all.

Sounds a lot like Vince Coleman to me. Jimmy's a good fielder and should be commended for that, but as a leadoff hitter and a supposed building block for a team that strikes out three times before they brush their teeth in the morning he's just as much of a loser as the rest of the players.

rjs246 · February 20, 2006, 03:22:40 PM

It's easy to get a lot of singles when you swing at every pitch and have speed. The fact that he was top 7 in hits and couldn't even break .300 is farging pathetic.