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PoopyfaceMcGee · February 07, 2006, 02:40:26 PM

Quote from: General_Failure on February 07, 2006, 02:31:25 PM
Reggie started, too. He didn't start opening day, but he started. And that Pinkston guy.

I think it's only fair to assess guys the Eagles planned to start the season. Plus, the taterskins had no one starting that was one of their own UDFA's. Almost have to count original rookie UDFA's one way or another

Opening day planned starters drafted by Eagles (12):

McNabb
Westbrook
T. Thomas
Andrews
Smith
McDougle (Kalu was drafted by the Eagles anyway)
Trotter
Sheppard
S. Brown
Dawkins
Lewis
Pinkston (Lewis took his place, but was a UDFA anyway)

Original rookie UDFA's starting opening day (4):

Parry
Hicks
Fraley
H. Thomas

That's 16/22. Wow.

Other draftees/original UDFA's that saw significant time as a starter (9):

Moats
Herremans
R. Brown
G. Lewis
Clarke
Jackson
Patterson
Cole
Hood

PoopyfaceMcGee · February 07, 2006, 02:41:15 PM

Quote from: qwert246 on February 07, 2006, 02:39:13 PM
What Lemar Marshall doesn't count?

Why would he?

QuoteNFL Acquisition: Marshall signed with Tampa Bay as an undrafted free agent on April 19, 1999.

How Acquired: Signed with the taterskins as a free agent on December 26, 2001.

PhillyPhreak54 · February 07, 2006, 02:42:34 PM

Lemar Marshall wasn't a taterskins draft pick.

He was undrafted out of Michigan State. He was actually a S back then and n the Eagles 1999 practice squad

PoopyfaceMcGee · February 07, 2006, 02:44:05 PM

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 07, 2006, 02:42:34 PM
Lemar Marshall wasn't a taterskins draft pick.

Repost.

phattymatty · February 07, 2006, 02:45:05 PM

not true, the skins did draft him, but the washington post covered it up.

SunMo · February 07, 2006, 02:47:23 PM

you can't count UDFA, they're not draft picks

PoopyfaceMcGee · February 07, 2006, 02:47:42 PM

Quote from: phattymatty on February 07, 2006, 02:45:05 PM
not true, the skins did draft him, but the washington post covered it up.

That makes sense. Have you heard that they're bitter because Snyder took away their season tickets?

PoopyfaceMcGee · February 07, 2006, 02:48:32 PM

Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 07, 2006, 02:47:23 PM
you can't count UDFA, they're not draft picks

Whatever. Then it's still 11-12, depending on whether or not you count Toddy "Toothpick" Pinkston.

PhillyPhreak54 · February 07, 2006, 02:50:33 PM

Why can't you count UDFA's? I never undrestood that approach.

You still have scouted them (like draft picks)

And it is twice the work to develop them into good players since most didn't have a lot of college PT orcame from small college schools.

You still have to sign them too. And make the right personnel decsions on whether or not to keep them.

qwert246 · February 07, 2006, 02:56:54 PM

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 07, 2006, 02:42:34 PM
Lemar Marshall wasn't a taterskins draft pick.

He was undrafted out of Michigan State. He was actually a S back then and n the Eagles 1999 practice squad

When I made that post, I thought you included undrafted. Just entire career spent in one place.
How can you not include Hicks? Management picked him when no other team did, and now he's a contributor. What difference does it make if he was drafted in the 6th round or not?

qwert246 · February 07, 2006, 02:58:20 PM

Just read Phreaks post.

SunMo · February 07, 2006, 03:00:34 PM

Quote from: FFatPatt on February 07, 2006, 02:48:32 PM
Whatever. Then it's still 11-12, depending on whether or not you count Toddy "Toothpick" Pinkston.

yeah, i include Pinkston.

so, 12 against the taterskins' 7? is that much better? 5 more starters that are draft picks. yeah, that is pretty good actually. sweet.

qwert246 · February 07, 2006, 03:33:39 PM

Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 07, 2006, 03:00:34 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 07, 2006, 02:48:32 PM
Whatever. Then it's still 11-12, depending on whether or not you count Toddy "Toothpick" Pinkston.

yeah, i include Pinkston.

so, 12 against the taterskins' 7? is that much better? 5 more starters that are draft picks. yeah, that is pretty good actually. sweet.

It's really just a difference of philosophy. Some coaches prefer to use FA to fill holes, some prefer drafting.
Sign Pierson Prioleau to 850K per year or a rookie to 400K. Omar Stoutmire the same. Players like Khary Campbell and Robert Johnson come relatively cheap.
Certain positions I will grant you it is important to draft, or you will be paying very large salaries,
but to make it 12 starters vs 7 yah we win, is too simplistic.

ice grillin you · February 07, 2006, 05:08:01 PM

a) knowing and b) admitting...that your draft picks shouldnt be starting on your team counts for something

just because todd pinkston starts at wr as one of your picks doesnt mean he should be...and you certainly shouldnt be getting props for it

id rather have a free agent upgrade starting for me over one of my draft picks that arent that good

PoopyfaceMcGee · February 07, 2006, 05:20:48 PM

In all fairness, Pinkston is no worse than David Patten.