Phillies Offseason Talk

[Geowhizzer]

Maybe it's Morgan Ensberg?

I wouldn't trade Abreu for him.  Fix one hole and open up a larger one.  Ensberg's too inconsistent.

If it were Wade, I'd bet it was Duckworth. 

[Dillen]

As always take this for what its worth...

I found this on PhilaPhans MB...

Houston Astros MB moderator says that a one-for-one Abreu deal is in place with his salary being the only obstacle

Actually, a deal is in place for Bobby Abreu to come back home to Houston. It's a one-for-one deal and the sticking point is money. Philly doesn't want to pick up any of Abreu's contract and Houston does not want to make a deal with that much money committed to one player given the need to pay *other* Astros next season.

Believe it or not, the deal in principle is agreed to already. But the deal may fall apart if the money difference isn't settled soon. I won't mention the player the Astros would trade to Philly, because it wouldn't be fair if in case that players winds up staying with the team.

If this is indeed true, I wonder who the player is? It obviously has to be a pitcher and if Gillick is to be believed then it would be a "ace".

Would Houston really give up Oswalt or Pettitte? Or is Houston going to unload Lidge?

There is no way we trade Oswalt, I guess it's possible we trade Pettitte just to re-sign him this year again. If we trade Oswalt or Lidge to the Phillies, im becoming a Phillies fan.

Maybe it's Morgan Ensberg?

If we trade him I will be incredibly pissed off. Lamb is a horrible fielder and a really streaky hitter.

[LBIggle]

i'm still wondering who he plans on bringing in to play RF if he does trade abreu.

sure we need an ace.  but taking 30 SB's 30HR's and 100+RBI's out of the lineup for a pitcher that may only be here a year sounds pretty ed wadish to me.  im not an abreu knobber slobber, but he is our right fielder, and if howard hits some sort of sophomore slump, we'd be dead in the water this year, then next year if its pettitte and he's gone in 2007.

[SunMo]

i'm still wondering who he plans on bringing in to play RF if he does trade abreu.

sure we need an ace.  but taking 30 SB's 30HR's and 100+RBI's out of the lineup for a pitcher that may only be here a year sounds pretty ed wadish to me.  im not an abreu knobber slobber, but he is our right fielder, and if howard hits some sort of sophomore slump, we'd be dead in the water this year, then next year if its pettitte and he's gone in 2007.

they already are

[LBIggle]

after the eagles season this year i have no choice but to get hopelessly optimistic about the phils again.  i think if they stay healthy they can make a run at the playoffs.  im not holding onto some hopeless day dream their going to finally bring some sort of championship to philly, but im expecting some post season play this year.

[SunMo]

after the eagles season this year i have no choice but to get hopelessly optimistic about the phils again.  i think if they stay healthy they can make a run at the playoffs.  im not holding onto some hopeless day dream their going to finally bring some sort of championship to philly, but im expecting some post season play this year.

i wouldn't, if you look at the team, they are worse than last year, and that team couldn't make the Wild Card in a year when the number of wins required to win the Wild Card was lower than normal.

[Rome]

Maybe it's Morgan Ensberg?

I wouldn't trade Abreu for him.  Fix one hole and open up a larger one.  Ensberg's too inconsistent.

CRACKHEAD!

[BigEd76]

MLB.com's 20 Questions of 2006

5. Will the Braves win another division title? Another question that asks itself. And this one is actually taking on a new life of its own. First you ask, "Will the Braves make it 15 consecutive division titles?" Now you have to add, "And can they do more with it this time?" For this is a club that is becoming legendary for its division flags, making that one World Championship (1995) flag at Turner look lonelier and lonelier. Will Leo Mazzone's move to Baltimore as pitching coach have a measurable effect? After all, Atlanta gave you the "Baby Braves" last year, and there is no reason to think the Braves won't be right there in October again.
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8. Will the White Sox repeat? ...Trading Aaron Rowand to Philadelphia meant giving up a player coming into his own, but the White Sox got Jim Thome in return to be their designated hitter....
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9. Will Barry Zito be traded? ...The A's have fielded a number of inquiries about Zito, and the Phillies even reportedly offered Bobby Abreu in a package that would include him...
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18. Will Pat Gillick build another winner in Philly? The architect of those World Series champs in Toronto (1992-93) and a powerhouse in Seattle (116 wins in 2001), he has made some key moves (i.e. Rowand, Tom Gordon, Abraham Nunez, Julio Santana) for the Phillies since taking over as GM there. But there are still some challenges, namely finding a frontline starter and an established setup man.

[MDS]

Tomas Perez starting pitcher campaign has begun

[Geowhizzer]

Maybe it's Morgan Ensberg?

I wouldn't trade Abreu for him.  Fix one hole and open up a larger one.  Ensberg's too inconsistent.

CRACKHEAD!

Is he going to hit the 36 home runs of last year, or the TEN of 2004?  Will he have 101 RBI like last year, or the 66 of 2004?

Is he better than Bell?  Definitely.  Is he as good/ better than Abreu?  Hardly.

[Dillen]

Is he going to hit the 36 home runs of last year, or the TEN of 2004?  Will he have 101 RBI like last year, or the 66 of 2004?

Is he better than Bell?  Definitely.  Is he as good/ better than Abreu?  Hardly.

He changed his stance. And in 2004 he changed it with like 2 months left in the season and got the majority of his HRs and RBIs then. Plus he split time in 2004...

[Geowhizzer]

Is he going to hit the 36 home runs of last year, or the TEN of 2004?  Will he have 101 RBI like last year, or the 66 of 2004?

Is he better than Bell?  Definitely.  Is he as good/ better than Abreu?  Hardly.

He changed his stance. And in 2004 he changed it with like 2 months left in the season and got the majority of his HRs and RBIs then. Plus he split time in 2004...

I don't doubt you, Dillen, but he's still had one good season.  Is it possible that he's turned a corner and will put those type of numbers for the next 5 years?  Sure.

However, he's had ONE season with 30+ homers, ONE more with 20+ and he's already 30 years old, 31 in August.  Abreu will be 32 in March, and has two 30+ homer seasons, four with 100+ RBI, plus an OBP of .400+ consistently (Last year was Ensberg's best at .388).  Not to mention the ability to steal the occasional base (31-6 in favor of Abreu last year).

Depending on what else is involved, an Abreu-Ensberg straight up deal is bad for the Phillies, IMO.

[Geowhizzer]

I think we can forget about these trade rumors:

Wilson agrees to one-year deal with Astros

[Dillen]

If we trade Taveras I am going to be extremely pissed off.

[MDS]

They won't. Lane or Lamb will go, and Berkman will play first. Unless Bagwell is coming back...but isnt he like 100?