Obama Continues Bush's Illegal Drone Surveillance

[Butchers Bill]

Bullshtein.

Witty response.

I have not seen any christian leader recently claim the holucaust was a hoax or that Isreal should be wiped off the map.  I HAVE seen a major Islamic leader do it though.

[Cerevant]

Spying on people who are trying to kill you is wise. 

Agreed, but spying on people who go to the same church as people who might want to kill you is unconstitutional.

[Diomedes]

I have not seen..

You haven't looked.  Check out what your wet dream date Ann Coulter has to say on the subject, or what Pat Robertson has to say about damn near anything.  Check out the hate rhetoric spilling out of fundamentalist christian churches all over America about homosexuals, liberals, muslims, scientists, and non-christians generally.  Christianity is not short on hate speech.

If you claim Islam is about hate, you must admit the same of Christianity. 

[MadMarchHare]

Look, my real problem with this is escalation.  Right now, we're only spying on "terrorists".  You know what the definition of "terrorists" is to the Justice Dept and the Office of Homeland Security.  I don't.  And I probably won't know until I'm in a gulag if it changes to incorporate me.

The current situation is not all that unlike 1930's Germany.  And it keeps unfolding in frightening ways.

But, I'll give W this, at least I can buy automatic weapons.  Viva revolucion!

[Cerevant]

If the Patriot Act is thwarting terrorism it may be a neccessary evil in the war on terrorism

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."    Benjamin Franklin, 1759.

BTW, the goal of terrorism is not to kill people - it is to make people afraid.  American citizens are not only afraid, but we have a web site to tell us just how afraid we should be today.  The war on terrorism was lost a long time ago...

As to Franklin's character:

Now for stillupfront's character (emphasis his):

And my personal favorite

Why is anal sex more satisfying than vaginal sex?

It's warm. It's tight. And it's much more demeaning to women!

[Butchers Bill]

I have not seen..

You haven't looked.  Check out what your wet dream date Ann Coulter has to say on the subject, or what Pat Robertson has to say about damn near anything.  Check out the hate rhetoric spilling out of fundamentalist christian churches all over America about homosexuals, liberals, muslims, scientists, and non-christians generally.  Christianity is not short on hate speech.

If you claim Islam is about hate, you must admit the same of Christianity. 

Since when do you not post facts to back up your rhetoric?  Show me where any major (not some hillbilly from Mississippi) christian leader has said the holocaust was a "hoax" and that Isreal should be wiped off the map. 

I am talking about the leader of a major nation...an Islamic theocracy...what do you have?

[Cerevant]

Look, my real problem with this is escalation.  Right now, we're only spying on "terrorists".

Ok everyone, here's a quiz:
Prior to 9/11, what was the most devastating act of terrorism within US borders?
What was the nationality of the perpetrator?
What color was his skin?
What kind of church did he go to?

Bonus:
Who should we have spied on to prevent this disaster?

[fansince61]

Look, my real problem with this is escalation.  Right now, we're only spying on "terrorists".

Ok everyone, here's a quiz:
Prior to 9/11, what was the most devastating act of terrorism within US borders?
What was the nationality of the perpetrator?
What color was his skin?
What kind of church did he go to?

We should have spied on the FBI and ATF and maybe WACO coulod have averted

Bonus:
Who should we have spied on to prevent this disaster?

[T_Section224]

i'll go with the jap's attack on pearl harbor, but you're probably looking for the mcveigh character who some have reported that he had ties to some of the same terrorists that ended up flying planes into the towers.

[MadMarchHare]

You got a link for that T?

[Diomedes]

i'll go with the jap's attack on pearl harbor, but you're probably looking for the mcveigh character who some have reported that he had ties to some of the same terrorists that ended up flying planes into the towers.

Pearl Harbor was an attack by one nation upon the military base of another.  It was an act of war.  Granted, a surprise attack.  But it was not terrorism by any but the most liberal definition of the term (e.g. all bombs are terrorism).

And dude, McVeigh had nothing to do with Osama.  Are you farging kidding me?

[Cerevant]

Prior to 9/11, what was the most devastating act of terrorism within US borders?

We should have spied on the FBI and ATF and maybe WACO coulod have averted

Hmm...guess I'll have to give the answers for our less educated friends...

Prior to 9/11, what was the most devastating act of terrorism within US borders?
Oklahoma City, 1995.

What was the nationality of the perpetrator?
Timothy McVeigh, American

What color was his skin?
As white as IGY

What kind of church did he go to?
Roman Catholic

Bonus:
Who should we have spied on to prevent this disaster?
your sorry ass, because you are a white christian hick who might want to kill someone

[T_Section224]

looking for it.

a while ago michael smirconish (remember him from graduation?) had a public figure on (politician??) that was talking about the links that could be drawn between mcveigh and the same terrorists that planned the 9/11 attacks.

[Diomedes]

We should have spied on the FBI and ATF and maybe WACO coulod have averted

Oh, so you're one of those. 

[mussa]

Doesn't matter, there are fundamentalists of all religions and degrees.  to compare the both is to compare black and white, everyone is different.  forming others thoughts while scaring them to do this way or that in the name of God is wrong, but works when the target market is uneducated and or educated and angry. 

i was reading an article in the lastest issue of Rolling Stone, about homeland security and how it is not working as far as the proper states getting the right funding and what they are using the funds for.  Basically the low-threat states are getting the majority of the money, while high risk states such as new york, pa, jersey, illionois and california are receiving far less.  they went into pointing out that a fire department in virginia bought bullet-proof vests for their fire dogs.  now how american is that!  this is a major issue that needs to be addressed and seems to be a administrative failure to monitor and run this department.  tons of our money is pouring into the program.  obviously Hurrican Katrina was a HUGE homeland security failure.  imagine if terrorists follow up with a man made disaster, comparable to Katrina.  How would FEMA respond?  we would be fargED!