Phillies Offseason Talk

[MDS]

goodie!

[bobbyinlondon]

that's the headline but I can't read the article due to work filters.  If anybody would be so kind as to post the article, I would appreciate it.


Billy Wagner criticized the Phillies' efforts to retain him, telling the Mets' Web site his current team is "taking one step back to take one step forward" and calling the Mets' pursuit a "one-horse race."
The Phillies were believed to have upped their offer yesterday, guaranteeing a third year at roughly $30 million, but seem reluctant to trump Mariano Rivera's $10.5 million salary. The Mets initially offered three years at more than $30 million with an '09 option.







fwiw gammons said this morning that mets will sign wagner and the phillies will sign bj ryan for something like 4 years 36 million

The Jays just signed BJ Ryan--5 years, 47M.

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/breaking_...1p-313970c.html

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Crap.

[BigEd76]

[PhillyPhreak54]

I'm wondering how Wagner's agent (aka PhillyPhreak54) is feeling about him now?

Its obvious to me that Wags is still playing the FA game and some of y'all can't see through the mist of BS he's spewing.

To the NY media he pimps the Mets and dismisses the Phils
To the PHL media he pimps the Phils and dismisses the Mets by saying he doesn't know if he is suited for NY.

But like I've said before and FF pointed out - i do not want them giving him 4 years at all. I would give him 3 years $33M and a FNTC. Top the Rivera salary and get it done.

Trevor Hoffman - 38 year old slopballer
Bob Wickman - 37 year old slopballer
Jose Mesa - 109 year old loser

Bobby Howry is off the market (going to the Cubs)
BJ Ryan is off the market

And the guy who the Marlins tossed into the Beckett-Lowell deal, Guillermo Mota, is a guy who I thought the Phils could pursue as a plan B. But now he's in Boston.

Who's left?

Billy Wagner. Sign him.

[PhillyPhreak54]

Free agent RP's for your viewing pleasure

Take note of the age and who is on that list and get back to me.

The only options under age 30 were Kyle Farnsworth and BJ Ryan.

Farnsworth is still out there but he is far from being a lights out closer.

[SD_Eagle5]

The Jays just signed BJ Ryan--5 years, 47M.

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/breaking_...1p-313970c.html

Absolutely ridiculous contract. And here I thought the Phils deal was high. Wowsers.

[Geowhizzer]

Love to get Farnsworth in the primary set-up/ back-up closer role, and re-sign Wagner.

That would be an awesome 1-2 punch to end the game.

Is anyone else surprised that Felix Heredia is only listed as 30 years of age?  I would've pegged him at close to 40 at this point.

[PhillyPhreak54]

I wouldn't mind Farnsworth (who reminds me of Jason Short - crazy and likes to hit guys) as the set-up guy.

But I don't want him as the closer.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Rowand looks like he's adjusted to the deal.  I give Gillick credit for addressing two fairly major needs (young farm system pitching talent and starting CF) with only a redundant injury-plagued 35-year-old.

The closer issue is big now, though.  Unless he can pull a trade out of his arse, he may have to give Wagner slightly over $30 mill and a full NTC.  Frikkin' sucks, but the Ryan deal set the market value.

[Rome]

If they're giving B.J. Ryan five years and forty seven million dollars, then I wouldn't even bother with free agency any longer.

Clearly other MLB clubs are insane again with the free agency spending sprees.

Get Crazy Vicente warmed up in the pen, baby!

[MDS]

being in the bullpen will give vince a chance to catch up on some of his drinking. wouldnt shock me if he hides a bottle of jack somewhere in the pen.

[PhillyPhreak54]

Obviously he'll be doing shots with the fans out there. Maybe I'll go join ol' Crazy V for a shot or two of vodka.

Billy Wags still needs to be option number one, two and three.

Padilla is the final, last ditch option.

[Rome]

Obviously he'll be doing shots with the fans out there. Maybe I'll go join ol' Crazy V for a shot or two of vodka.

Dude, I am sooooo coming up for a game with you this year.  Just remember the bail money.

[PhillyPhreak54]

I always take extra cash with me to games. Never know when a good ol' bail bondsman will be needed.