Call me a big Hoyda, but I feel bad for Donovan

[PhillyPhreak54]

But what I don't get is why some fans loved TO for his mouth but hate Billy Wagner for his?

FYI...in the Inky today they had the poll results from yesterday's paper. The question was : Is it time to find McNabb's replacement?

1300+ responses.

600+ - Yes
700+ - No

600 complete and utter morons.

[Feva]

FYI...in the Inky today they had the poll results from yesterday's paper. The question was : Is it time to find McNabb's replacement?

1300+ responses.

600+ - Yes
700+ - No

600 complete and utter morons.

Too bad the question wasn't, "Do we have your permission to put a bullet in your head after you complete this survey?".

farging disgusting. 

[T_Section224]

600 complete and utter morons.

could you imagine the results if it was a WIP poll?

[rjs246]

I love how you all still act shocked when people are stupid. It's very cute how you all still have a modicum of faith in humanity. Suckers.

[PhillyPhreak54]

Yeah, its bad. Paul Jolovitz was on WIP last night and was ripping the people questioning McNabb's toughness and guts. I was glad to hear someone talking sense on that station for once.

This is going to fester until September 2006. Because he won't be able to shut these fargs up until then. Going to be a long off-season.

[ice grillin you]

they booed me at the draft waaaah
TO called me a name wah
people questioned me at the end of the superbowl wah
roy williams wah

theres a difference between physical toughness and mental toughness...mcnabb has none of the latter and that is something you must have if youre to be loved in this city...hes an emotionally soft person and that scares people...

fans want a leader...a tough guy that is not going to pout and cower when things get tough but someone that will stand up to a bully like TO or blast the fans that booed him...instead hes like boo hoo mommy daddy andy help me!!!

do some fans go overboard...of course...should mcnabb be replaced...hell no...but these are real issues he has and they explain why he is treated the way he is in the city...and there is some validity to it

[PhillyPhreak54]

Honestly, I want a guy who goes out and plays ball and gives it his all. Donovan does that and then some.

Do I wish he was more receptive? Yes. But I also do not blame him for being a little apprehensive. The guy catches way too much shtein here, bro.

Too many people are caught up in this "leader" thing now. Some guys are leaders but they aren't vocal leaders. Some guys holler and yell and whatnot. Thats not him.

Lead by example & play balls out and I respect you.

[PhillyPhreak54]

Bill Conlin is dead on today...

Bill Conlin | Getting the bum's rush

PHILLY HAS SHORT MEMORY FOR McNABB, THOME


OF ANDY REID'S several public, we're-not-giving-up-the-ship, don't-count-us-out,still-plenty-of-football-to-play assertions, I prefer Sunday's Meadowlands version. "We need to go back and get together a little bit," he said minutes after the loss to the Giants. "We need to regroup."

We need to regroup...

That's like the mayor of Hiroshima saying, "We need to construct stronger buildings."

Meanwhile, it is standing-room-only in the Eagles Nation fallout shelters. And the first, tentative draft questions already have intruded on the morose post-mortems, even as surgery- bound Donovan McNabb was canceling the David Letterman performance that might have sent the dizzying decline in his popularity clattering off rock bottom.

The coach's noon seminar in Some-Explaining-To-Do 101 was even briefer than usual, just a roundabout way of restating his First Amendment right to remain vague and to avoid
self-incrimination. Now that Slim has left and the Eagles' playoff chances are down to none, there isn't a whole lot left to spin.

But there is a big picture out there that has been emerging since midsummer. All you have to do is take a small step back, remove yourself from the doomed Eagles season and read a message that we are writing season-by-season:

Superstars beware - it is no longer safe around here, for even the good guys. Suffer an injury at your peril. Tolerance for big-game mistakes: Zero. You can and will be replaced. But the swift and amazing deconstruction of McNabb, who was a towering Local Hero until those puzzling final minutes of the Super Bowl loss to New England, raises a legitimate question: Has our frustration at losing so many big ones reached a point where our meager supply of true stars is disposable?

Case in point: Jim Thome and Philly appeared to be a better fit than Mummers and banjos.

Citizens Bank Park construction workers cheered him on a frigid day when the Phillies brass was wooing the biggest (and costliest) free-agent catch in franchise history. Jim rewarded them with 47 homers - one shy of Mike Schmidt's club homer record - in the Vet's 2003 final season, then pounded 42 more in the 2004 Money Pit inaugural despite an aching back and nagging hand and wrist injuries.

Then, a man who embodies every quality we say we admire in an athlete, including humility and fan-friendliness, made a serious mistake. He suffered the same maladies last spring training and tried to play through them, much as McNabb tried to play through the sports hernia. How soon fans seem to have forgotten that day against the Arizona Cardinals when No. 5 played almost an entire game on a broken leg.

Unfortunately, Thome has become odd man out in a rare intersection of events that found the Phillies with carbon copies at first base. Ryan Howard was still an early, untested work in progress as the town thrilled to the bold Thome signing. The two first basemen appeared to be sculpted from the same block of granite - both lefthanded swingers, both uncommonly powerful men born 9 years apart. Both struck out a lot but do amazing, consistent damage when they make contact. Both possess amazing opposite-field power.

While Thome dropped from view to have surgery and to begin his rehab, Howard came from Ground Nowhere to win National League Rookie of the Year.

Thome? Trade the big bum... The sooner the better. Eat whatever salary necessary. Let nothing interfere with the Ryan Howard Era.

Jim realized the potential road hazards when he signed his lush, 6-year deal. He figured he'd play the 5 guaranteed years, then another on the club option. The last thing he figured was that the organization's first legitimate lefthanded home-run slugger since Chuck Klein would play his position and none other.

But that's life in this big, cruel city.

You hope Pat Gillick, the new GM, can hook Thome up with the White Sox or even back with the Indians. Dave Montgomery will have to take a choking mouthful of salary, but that, too, is life in the big city. Bottom line, Jim Thome deserves the same measure of respect from fans here as he extended to them.

It would also be nice next August, when the reconstructed Eagles report to Lehigh, if fans extend a mulligan to Donovan McNabb. If the 2005 season has been a nightmare for people who paint their faces green 10 days a year and die a few inches with each Eagles loss, imagine what it has been like for McNabb. Playing in pain. Playing with the mounting scorn of Terrell Owens in surround sound 24/7...

Imagine and give the guy a do-over...

[ice grillin you]

where the hell was i when donovan became a superstar??

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

where the hell was i when donovan became a superstar??

You were hanging out in the quasi-ghetto with your head shoved way up your ass.

[rjs246]

Quarterbacks who go to five consecutive probowls aren't superstars. The media just wants them to succeed.

[NGM]

Quarterbacks who go to five consecutive probowls aren't superstars. The media just wants them to succeed.

And now they've abandoned him for Mike Vick. 

[Feva]

where the hell was i when donovan became a superstar??

The same place you are now.  In IgnorantassmotherfargerinallthingsEaglesville.

[ice grillin you]

Quarterbacks who go to five consecutive probowls aren't superstars

not that probowls mean anything but he was a 2nd and even 3rd replacement choice in all but one of them

i cant believe you homers think hes a superstar....hes not even great...hes a very good qb

[Wingspan]

5 full seasons as starting QB...5 division titles, 4 championship game appearances, 1 superbowl

that speaks more loundy than any of your conjecture