Phillies Offseason Talk

ice grillin you · November 15, 2005, 12:25:38 PM

The Mets are willing to guarantee three years at $10 million each and, if necessary, throw in a fourth.

holy ish!

bye bye billy

nice article sun

PoopyfaceMcGee · November 15, 2005, 12:34:12 PM

The first priority for Gillick has to be building up the farm system. Those guys suck.

Rome · November 15, 2005, 12:59:12 PM

Four years/$40M for Wagner?

Ahahahahaha!

See ya.

JTrotter Fan · November 15, 2005, 04:27:51 PM

Yeah, that's just great. So who is gonna close next year?

MDS · November 15, 2005, 04:53:35 PM

bj ryan, tom gordon, trevor hoffman, ryan madson, robinson tejeda, ugy urbina live via sattelite from jail

JTrotter Fan · November 15, 2005, 04:55:15 PM

Gee, those are all wonderful options.

MDS · November 15, 2005, 05:08:22 PM

yea well if wagner runs to the money in queens, thats whats left.

SunMo · November 15, 2005, 05:50:15 PM

i would take Ryan, it sounds like the Yanks are going to give him huge money to set up, but I wonder if he'd take less for an opportunity to be the man on the Phillies

Rome · November 15, 2005, 05:59:11 PM

Quote from: The Waco Kid on November 15, 2005, 04:55:15 PM
Gee, those are all wonderful options.

Overpaying for talent who will quite probably break down long before the contract runs out is retarded.

Reference the Jim Thome signing for proof of that.

As for who I would acquire in free agency, that all depends. Personally, I don't think a guy who pitches an inning a night is as important as a guy who pitches at least seven innings 35 times a season. I'd rather spend take the money I'd be saving by not re-acquiring Wagner and use it on an ace. They can be had for the right price either via free agency (not likely this year) or by trade. Considering the type of talent the Phillies have on the roster, surely some team is looking to trade a top pitcher for a top hitter, right?

IMO, closers are overrated as an asset. Guys can be found to pitch one inning per night. Hell, you can usually get them off the scrap heap without spending tens of millions of dollars.

Sgt PSN · November 15, 2005, 07:18:48 PM

Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 15, 2005, 05:50:15 PM
i would take Ryan, it sounds like the Yanks are going to give him huge money to set up, but I wonder if he'd take less for an opportunity to be the man on the Phillies

Yep. He's basically just a younger Wagner imo. Hard throwing lefty. I'd rather see Wagner back but if he heads off to greener pastures then BJ Ryan is the guy I'd like the see the Phils bring in to replace him.

BigEd76 · November 16, 2005, 01:21:22 AM

Wagner will tour New York next week

According to CSN, he told the Phillies and Mets that he'll move his family from Virginia to whatever city he signs with...

LBIggle · November 16, 2005, 05:13:30 AM

oh he does throw left handed.. i wont pretend i knew that.. could've sworn he threw righty.

thanks for the stats geo. i still think having him behind the plate would be less of a defensive liability then having his big ol' ass whomping around the outfield. yah he's left handed but its not like he's playing 3b or something.

he's big, he's not quick and it gets thome and howard in the line-up while not sacraficing anyone elses position.

and for whoever asked, yes i've played catcher. mainly first base.. and coincidently i am left handed. obviously not anything comparable to MLB but while more difficult.. not impossible to be a left handed catcher. its comparable to being a right handed 1B. i still find it awkward looking and quite stupid to see pitchers attempting a pick-off with a right handed first basemen.

PhillyPhreak54 · November 16, 2005, 09:05:35 AM

Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 15, 2005, 05:50:15 PM
i would take Ryan, it sounds like the Yanks are going to give him huge money to set up, but I wonder if he'd take less for an opportunity to be the man on the Phillies

Ryan said he wants to close. However he said there is only one team that he would go to to be a set-up guy and that team is the Yankees.

And they're reportedly going to pay him $30M to be a set-up guy.

So if they do offer him that much coin my guess is that he bolts to the Big Apple to take the $30M and set-up for Mariano.

PhillyPhreak54 · November 16, 2005, 09:10:27 AM

You just do not and will not see a LH catcher in the ML's. One of the reasons is because the majority of the hitters are RH and that leaves the catchers throwing hand exposed to the RH batters.

I remember one guy catching in the majors and he was LH but he only caught a game or two and that was Benny Distefano back in the late 80's with the Pirates.

If you're LH you play 1B, OF or P. That's it.

As for Billy Wags....Gillick is meeting with him today.

If I am Gillick I offer him 3 years $33-$36M to help make up for that 4th year the Mets are offering. Maybe he'd still go for the guaranteed 4th year but the Phillies MUST retain him. If they let him walk there is nothing out there.

I do not want Trevor Hoffman. I do not want Braden Looper or Bob Wickman or any of the other junk that is available in FA.

Give Wags the money.

SunMo · November 16, 2005, 09:10:31 AM

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 16, 2005, 09:05:35 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 15, 2005, 05:50:15 PM
i would take Ryan, it sounds like the Yanks are going to give him huge money to set up, but I wonder if he'd take less for an opportunity to be the man on the Phillies

Ryan said he wants to close. However he said there is only one team that he would go to to be a set-up guy and that team is the Yankees.

And they're reportedly going to pay him $30M to be a set-up guy.

So if they do offer him that much coin my guess is that he bolts to the Big Apple to take the $30M and set-up for Mariano.

So, you think if the Phillies offered him similar money to close he would close instead of set-up?

Would the Phillies go 3 years, $30 million for Ryan? They seem willing to do it for Wagner.