players vs front office

ice grillin you · August 07, 2005, 08:28:01 AM

is there ever a time under any circumstances where you would side with a player under contract who is holding out

i know there are some serious front office butt humpers on this site...but isnt there a time even when under contract that a player has a case to holdout???

StevieLeftCollege · August 07, 2005, 08:36:53 AM

lately, within the eagles organization, no. they get fairly decent deals and sign the bottom line. the birds are shrewd with locking up young talent early but it pans out. pinkston blows and he has a nice contract. darwin walker peaked and hes hooked up too.

I think a case could be made for guys like reggie and keith jackson back in the early 90s. I was only 12 or 13 when it went down so i really cant say much because i didnt understand the dynamics of the situation.

BB · August 07, 2005, 09:18:14 AM

Sure, I can see a situation where a guy deserves a new deal. Take Herremans, for example. Lets say Tra's blood clot situation turns out to be an ongoing problem. Herremans steps in and plays does an acceptable job this year, and is at least Tra's equal by 2006. If that were the case, I'd say a new deal would be well earned.

Westbrook is in a situation like this. If management really was on top of things they would have gotten something done last year.

ice grillin you · August 07, 2005, 09:24:32 AM

Sure, I can see a situation where a guy deserves a new deal. Take Herremans, for example. Lets say Tra's blood clot situation turns out to be an ongoing problem. Herremans steps in and plays does an acceptable job this year, and is at least Tra's equal by 2006. If that were the case, I'd say a new deal would be well earned.

im not talking about deserving a new deal...im saying in the scenario you presented if herremans held out next year would you be on his side...there arent to many people who would say westy doesnt desereve a new deal...at the same time i dont see anyone agreeing with his holdout (other than myself)

Rome · August 07, 2005, 09:40:36 AM

The fact that no one here agrees with your stance on Westbrook's holdout should lead you to the irrefutable conclusion that your opinion on this issue is a misbegotten one.

But whatever, you're entitled to your opinions. I admire people who refuse to accept facts and logic when they're clearly presented. Being a Phillies phan, I can certainly relate.

StevieLeftCollege · August 07, 2005, 09:49:18 AM

Quote from: jerome99RIP on August 07, 2005, 09:40:36 AM
But whatever, you're entitled to your opinions. I admire people who refuse to accept facts and logic when they're clearly presented. Being a Phillies phan, I can certainly relate.

this is why im here more. TATE makes me

PhillyPhreak54 · August 07, 2005, 10:05:54 AM

I could see myself siding with the players sometimes, but I just haven't seen a case yet where I would side with the player. Each situation is different. But most of the time I am of the school of thought where if you want a wad of cash, you get it by being in camp and working on things behind the scenes.

Holdouts don't help the situation because once the media gets a hold of it... it usually gets ugly because the media pits the player against the team.

Take care of your biz behind the scenes.

PhillyGirl · August 07, 2005, 10:08:41 AM

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 07, 2005, 10:05:54 AM
Holdouts don't help the situation because once the media gets a hold of it... it usually gets ugly because the media pits the player against the team.

Unless its the Eagles where TO shows up at camp and shuts up...while 2 other players hold out...and TO is still the only talk in the media thats being pitting player against, well...everyone.

StevieLeftCollege · August 07, 2005, 10:10:43 AM

im really against holding out and im trying to think of any situation or player that would make it somewhat acceptable.

i can only think of one guy, and thats dawk. i heart him.

PhillyGirl · August 07, 2005, 10:11:26 AM

Quote from: StevieLeftCollege on August 07, 2005, 10:10:43 AM
im really against holding out and im trying to think of any situation or player that would make it somewhat acceptable.

i can only think of one guy, and thats dawk. i heart him.

And Dawkins loves the game more than the normal player. He'd never hold out because he couldn't stand to not play.

ice grillin you · August 07, 2005, 10:31:45 AM

if you dont agree with westy then i cant fathom a scenario where you would ever side with the player...which is why i threw this topic out there...perhaps someone has one where they would be pro player

PhillyGirl · August 07, 2005, 10:33:57 AM

I'm not getting this...do you think the Eagles aren't offering Westbrook a fair deal?

Larry · August 07, 2005, 10:51:59 AM

I think the FO should show a little more flexibility, instead of always referring back to the 'spreadsheet'. It's OK to overpay a little for your own talent...it's OK to throw a carrot to your star WR.

Rome · August 07, 2005, 10:52:33 AM

Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 07, 2005, 10:33:57 AM
I'm not getting this...do you think the Eagles aren't offering Westbrook a fair deal?

IGY has no clue what the Eagles are offering Westbrook, PG, and that's the problem here.

However, judging from what we've seen of the Eagles front office in the past, I have no doubt whatsoever that the Eagles are offering an extremely fair and competitive offer to #36.

Other(s) see it differently and like I said previously, that's certainly their right.

StevieLeftCollege · August 07, 2005, 10:53:23 AM

Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 07, 2005, 10:11:26 AM
Quote from: StevieLeftCollege on August 07, 2005, 10:10:43 AM
im really against holding out and im trying to think of any situation or player that would make it somewhat acceptable.

i can only think of one guy, and thats dawk. i heart him.

And Dawkins loves the game more than the normal player. He'd never hold out because he couldn't stand to not play.

exactly. he wouldnt even think about it.