2017/2018 Phillies Off-Season Thread

[SD]

Finally have some credibility

[PhillyPhreak54]

And a .240 batting average!

[MDS]

nobody in baseball cares about batting average. santana had an 818 ops and 363 obp last year

the ops would be top 10 among NL 1B and the obp would be 6th. hes not an amazing player by any stretch but he controls the strike zone very well and this is a key skill.

[PhillyPhreak54]

There he is

BA doesn't matter!

GTFOOOOOO

[MDS]

im not having this dumb debate again but you are basically someone yelling at doug pederson to run the wishbone.

im telling you. think of BA whatever youd like, youre wrong and i cant change your ways. but nobody in the game cares. youre screaming about nothing.

[SD]

They're 3-4 years from contention and just spent $20 million a year on a 31 year old 1st baseman. They have 3 young outfielders currently in the majors, a few decent OF prospects in the minors, and a power hitting 1st baseman. They're not going to make the playoffs next season. Signing makes absolutely zero sense.

Strike zone controller

[MDS]

they are not 3/4 years from contending. they are planning contending in 2019 because the FA class is going dictating that they must.

they currently have 3 young outfielders, but there may be a trade. longoria just left the rays. id assume they are very open to archer. yelich wants out of miami. theres nothing they can really do to put them on the nats level this season, but they are aggressively trying to put themselves in position to be attractive for machado, harper, etc. next offseason.

thats what its all about.

[SD]

they are not 3/4 years from contending. they are planning contending in 2019 because the FA class is going dictating that they must.

lol

ok

3-4 years, trust me dude. Feel free to bump this post when 2019 rolls around and they're playing .500 ball

[ice grillin you]

4 years is a bit pessimistic but an absolute shtein ton would have to go right with their young players for them to contend in 2018

then again if i felt like looking i could pretty easily find lil guy saying they would contend in 2017...maybe even 2016...hes always way under on the contending year o/u

[MDS]

if they dont sign machado or harper, certainly. they likely wont. but they are putting themselves in position to do so.

you get one of them, make that SP trade (archer!) and your win expectancy is high 80s/low 90s. this is right in the area of a playoff team. so no, they will not become a juggernaut overnight, if thats what you're aiming for.

[MDS]

4 years is a bit pessimistic but an absolute shtein ton would have to go right with their young players for them to contend in 2018

then again if i felt like looking i could pretty easily find lil guy saying they would contend in 2017...maybe even 2016...hes always way under on the contending year o/u

nobody thinks they are going to contend in 18. i had 17 6 years provided they traded utley, rollins, lee, halladay, etc. they did none of those things. they didnt cut bait until 2015, really.

[ice grillin you]

there is zero chance they are getting harper and 10% tops they are getting machado

realistically no free agent that big and young is coming to philly in 2018 or maybe ever

if they are contending in 2018 its because their young players stayed healthy and developed beyond our wildest expectations

[smeags]

may the OPS be with you.

[MDS]

realistically no free agent that big and young is coming to philly in 2018 or maybe ever

victim complex

[SD]

4 years is a bit pessimistic but an absolute shtein ton would have to go right with their young players for them to contend in 2018

Their minor league talent is overrated. 4 years is spot on. Unless they go on a mega spending spree in 2 years they aren't competing any time soon.