Rest Of Baseball - 2017

[Sgt PSN]

So the Marlins are basically a new AAA Yankees affiliate.

[Rome]

What a joke.  The funny thing is Stanton is going to get killed financially in this deal thanks to the state and city taxes he'll be paying in NYC. 

And as usual MLB will bend over and allow the Yankees to do whatever the farg they want.   Oh and no insider business being conducted by Jeter and the team he played for for two decades.   

Nope.  None at all.  Nothing to see here.  Move along...

[QB Eagles]

Those are some pretty hot takes, Rome. A couple questions though:

- What's likely to be a bigger amount? The 12% income tax hit moving to NYC, or the increased endorsements playing in the media capital of the world, for the most world famous team in baseball, versus a backwater Florida team no one gives a shtein about?

- What other teams that Stanton was willing to play for were lining up to eat that deadly contract?

Stanton had a no trade clause, meaning that the primary person who decided the destination team was Giancarlo Stanton himself.

[Sgt PSN]

He refused to waive his NTC for the Cardinals, but StL claims they had s deal in place for the trade.  Don't know how much salary they were willing to take on.

The trade is suspect though because it makes absolutely no sense on paper. The Marlins got a solid player in the deal but the prospects are a crap shoot.  They'd need to hit to hit on 2 or 3 of and have them be contributing factors in a WS title or 2 in order for this trade to be considered fair or balanced 10 years from now.

[PhillyPhreak54]

Marlins are probably going to deal Ozuna and Yelich too

Why even do this? I hate when teams have fire sales. Takenthat team from Miami and put them in a market who gives a shtein. Tampa and Miami need to relocate

[Rome]

Yuck The Fankees. 

[QB Eagles]

The trade is suspect though because it makes absolutely no sense on paper.

It's a pure salary dump, not a baseball move. You don't trade the MVP of the league and get better. They are lowering payroll. I think the team had negative cash flow the last few years under Loria. If you can't even make money with the MVP on the team, might as well go cheap.

[Rome]

Negative cash flow?   Haaaaa!   They literally stole money for a couple of decades.   They were the MLB equivalent of a welfare queen. 

[QB Eagles]

Loria made loads of money on appreciation of the franchise (which is only realized at sale), and all publicly funded stadiums are scams perpetrated on the taxpayer, but Forbes estimates the team had negative operating income three of the last five seasons. Net income was likely lower than that. No matter how much money was printed in the past (largely from previous fire sales like this one), writing personal checks to cover expenses is not something that the kind of people who own teams like to sustain for very long. I don't think Derek Jeter was too interested in doing that, either.

[MDS]

of course romey is still getting his panties in a knot about the yankees like this is the late 90s

stanton wanted to play for LA or NY and LA simply didnt have enough money to take him on. so it was really always about the yankees. they got the cash and like i mentioned, them taking on this deal and not being able to affod machado is great for your fightins.

[MDS]

Loria made loads of money on appreciation of the franchise (which is only realized at sale), and all publicly funded stadiums are scams perpetrated on the taxpayer, but Forbes estimates the team had negative operating income three of the last five seasons. Net income was likely lower than that. No matter how much money was printed in the past (largely from previous fire sales like this one), writing personal checks to cover expenses is not something that the kind of people who own teams like to sustain for very long. I don't think Derek Jeter was too interested in doing that, either.

i know people like owning teams for the sake of owning them but i dont know how the marlins can be successful financially. i mean if they have a 50 mil payroll i guess but really no matter what they do they will never sell tickets. their tv deal is always going to be bad because nobody will watch. with that payroll they will never achieve consistent success.

maybe jeter is trying to leverage this into another team down the line. or maybe hes derek jeter and just bored with banging models.

[QB Eagles]

Once you factor in revenue sharing, they are a profitable team at the payroll they are shooting for. They can always catch lightning in a bottle for a couple of years with cheap young guys, but it does seem impossible for them to be successful long term both financially and on the field. Has to be one or the other.

They have kind of oscillated back and forth between the two for their whole history, which is maybe not a terrible idea, since it results in both making money and occasionally winning. But having success only to see it rapidly sold off is a harsh fan experience, which has caused long term damage to the viability of the team.

Ultimately they need more interest in the team, beyond just Marlins Man. Having a celebrity who is associated with winning baseball be the face of the team isn't the worst idea in the world. Still seems unlikely to turn the franchise around.

[MDS]

derek jeter isnt selling 1 extra ticket and the fact that they traded their best player for literally nothing is going to kill them further.

a good portion of their available fan base hates them and the others are northeast transplants already committed to the yanks, sox, phils, mets, etc. they arent going to move but they really should.

[PhillyPhreak54]

I agree with you guys. The fact that Loria was able to scam Miami out of the stadium was criminal.

Captain Jetes isn't going to resurrect them. He's already pissing fans and alums off with petty moves and now they're going to send Stanton, Gordon, Yelich and Ozuna packing.

[MDS]

i mentioned this during the season when it was clear that this is what the marlins were going to do, but i wouldnt hesitate to take on the dead money of chen's salary if it meant yelich