Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[ice grillin you]

and now shes hate mongering and slandering transgender soldiers from the white house.....this is absolutely deplorable

[smeags]

wow, this is what its come to ? reading fan mail to try and prove this guy is anything but a train wreck ?

[Rome]

She's slandering people who've voluntarily signed up to defend this country. 

[smeags]

I ripped into my friend earlier who was doing the same. I said wait, you didn't have the balls to enlist (this guy has adimtted many times he was too chicken shtein to join) but you are ripping on those that did ?

amazing. 

[Butchers Bill]

She's slandering people who've voluntarily signed up to defend this country.

Having served myself I can say unequivocally that not everyone signs up to "defend this country".  I served with dudes whose choice was serve or go to prison, and I served with men and women who only wanted to get college paid for, or have their loans forgiven.  Serving or defending this country was not even a thought in their minds.

I have a good buddy who just retired from the Corps as an E9 who sums it up well:

"I don't agree with not allowing transgender people to serve. But, I do agree with not having the military pay for gender change operations and processes. The military is a war fighting machine, those who fully supported the previous policy do not understand the importance of having every individual combat ready supporting their team and the mission they need to perform. Not to mention the amount of budget that should be spent on wounded warriors medical concerns."

[PhillyPhreak54]

Trump and everyone in this admin is a disaster. farg all of them.

[Butchers Bill]

From a current Marine I know:


Banning "trans" people is the same reason we don't allow diabetics, epileptics, or people with asthma in the military. It's a medical liability and cost issue. If you need constant medication, like a hormonal suppression regiment necessitates, you are not mission ready. This is the military, we discriminate based on ability and commitment. I don't care if you're gay, it means nothing in the scope of mission readiness and as Mattis said "their lethality". Sexual orientation is irrelevant, biologically adulterating your sex hormones is extremely relevant. You might hate Trump because he's probably doing this mostly to be a fleshpop, but it remains a good call.

[ice grillin you]

not saying its not true but ive yet to see a single piece of evidence that shows transgender people have effected even one mission in military history...much less have destroyed the military to the point where they need to be yanked out and banned forever

over history when discriminating against a group of people the evidence is usually suspect at best and flat out a lie at worse....at one time it was deemed black people could not be mission ready

i need more evidence than an alleged email from an alleged marine

i can list dozens of statements that ive read today from military members who said they would go to war with a transgender person anyday

[Butchers Bill]

not saying its not true but ive yet to see a single piece of evidence that shows transgender people have effected even one mission in military history...much less have destroyed the military to the point where they need to be yanked out and banned forever

Probably because they have not been allowed to serve until about a year ago.  Prior to that there were no open transgenders in the US military.

over history when discriminating against a group of people the evidence is usually suspect at best and flat out a lie at worse....at one time it was deemed black people could not be mission ready

Isn't this different though?  We are talking about legitimate medical and mental issues here, not race or sexual orientation.  There are documented, and real, medical costs and issues associated with the trans population.

i need more evidence than an alleged email from an alleged marine

Not "evidence" - just a different point of view that you were not going to get here.

i can list dozens of statements that ive read today from military members who said they would go to war with a transgender person anyday

Yeah, I saw the one with the former Navy Seal challenging the sitting US President to a fight.  However, that person wasn't trans until after his/her service.

[ice grillin you]

so trans soldiers are mission ready as long as they stay in the closet...once they come out all hell breaks lose and they need 'constant medication' and can't perform as a soldier

and if the history only goes back one year how does your marine pen pal know all these things and where is the historical evidence that would indicate transfender people need to be banned from the the military

sorry I smell bigotry until I see some studies that prove your friends 'point if view'

[MDS]

this is 100% about firing up the base...nothing more, nothing less

transgender discrimination and bigotry is the last vestige of outright hatred thats allowed. you cant say black people are gross, you have to come up with made up voter fraud claims to take away their vote. you cant say gay people are gross, you have to come up protecting marriage.

but you CAN say trans folks are gross. so they do.

[PhillyPhreak54]

It's also a Trumpian head fake off health care.

And wtf with the story time by that sour faced huckabee chick? I farging hate these people

[PhillyPhreak54]

The world we live in...

Little weasel Scaramucci tweets about his financials being leaked and wants the FBI to in estimate and tags Reince bc he believes he leaked it

Clown show

[Tomahawk]

She's slandering people who've voluntarily signed up to defend this country.

Having served myself I can say unequivocally that not everyone signs up to "defend this country".  I served with dudes whose choice was serve or go to prison, and I served with men and women who only wanted to get college paid for, or have their loans forgiven.  Serving or defending this country was not even a thought in their minds.

I have a good buddy who just retired from the Corps as an E9 who sums it up well:

"I don't agree with not allowing transgender people to serve. But, I do agree with not having the military pay for gender change operations and processes. The military is a war fighting machine, those who fully supported the previous policy do not understand the importance of having every individual combat ready supporting their team and the mission they need to perform. Not to mention the amount of budget that should be spent on wounded warriors medical concerns."

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Please do not take this personally on behalf of you friend, but if we're spending so much for the care of our veterans, why do we need the wounded warriors project?

Our government's, and too much of the populace's, opinion is peace is for Hoydas.

Nevermind, read with some comprehension. I can't imagine what kind of psychological mindfarg a soldier goes through

[Sgt PSN]

From a current Marine I know:

Making some minor changes here because I'm sure the same exact comments were made like a hundred years ago. 

Banning "women" people is the same reason we don't allow diabetics, epileptics, or people with asthma in the military. It's a medical liability and cost issue. If you get pregnant, you are not mission ready. This is the military, we discriminate based on ability and commitment.

I totally get not wanting the gov't to provide full coverage for gender reassignment.  It makes sense and I don't know enough about the entire process to understand the cost or length of time it takes from soup to nuts (zing!).  So I'll err on the side of caution for the moment and say that allowing currently serving troops to undergo gender reassignment is something that - for now - should be avoided. 

But if someone has already undergone the process and only requires "maintenance" treatment like hormones or whatever, then I really don't see the big freaking deal.  Dudes can get viagra scripts while serving and can continue to get them filled through the VA after leaving the service, so I really don't see how this would really be anything different.