Current order is:
1. Jacksonville (1-14)
2. NY Jets (2-13)
3. Miami via Houston (4-11)
4. Atlanta (4-11)
5. Cincinnati (4-10-1)
6. EAGLES (4-10-1)
7. Detroit 5-10
8. NY Giants 5-10
9. Carolina 5-10
10. Denver 5-10
The Texans play Tennessee and the Titans have to win. So I'd expect them at full strength and not sitting anyone.
The Falcons play Tampa Bay and the Bucs have lost White and Barrett to the COVID list but should be full strength otherwise. ATL is without Julio but who knows which Falcons team shows up.
The Bengals play the Ravens and Baltimore has to win. So they'll likely lose and finish 4-11-1.
Detroit plays Minny and neither has anything to play for. Vikes are without Cook
Carolina plays New Orleans and of course the Giants play the Cowboys
I was all about Penei Sewell but with the emergence of Mailata and Dillard still here I'm off that train. Plus he wouldn't likely get past Cincy.
The next focus is on WR.
JaMarr Chase or DeVonta Smith
Miami, with Houston's pick, is going to take one. I'd prefer they go Chase and the Eagles get Smith but either way I'd be cool.
But they need to lose tomorrow.
lol dio still rooting for the birds
its chase-smith-surtain in some order
i always lean offense but of course if howie can work some jew cap magic and they, say, come up with the space for godwin then you can go hard for the cb
feel like another qb and sewell are locks to go in the top 5. so as long as they stay at 6 theyll get one of those players
https://twitter.com/minakimes/status/1345121522369773568 21
Hurts to Smith sounds good
Go Eagles!
fields with this performance is vaulting himself into the top 5
the CHASE begins
Fields looked really good. I wasn't totally sold on him but he sure balled tonight. Helluva game.
Between him, Lawrence and the little Mormon fella they help push the receivers down
not that smith wasnt good but he seemed kinda small and fragile...feels like someone who is going to struggle to get open on his own and will need to be schemed up to be effective
remind you of anyone from tcu
Bengals/Falcons got smoked...Houston is making a comeback. If Birds lose I'm assuming Bengals/Birds coin flip and top 5 pick
no bengals have the breaker
strength of schedule
i dont make the rules
Werd
I did a drunk/lazy google search before asking
Houston's on the move
A Texans tie does what?
Dunno. That's too complicated for us to figure here.
Best they can do is sixth now
how do you lose a SOS tiebreaker playing in the nfce
cinci playing all 4 nfc east teams helped
eagles played, outside of their division, 7 playoffs teams i believe. and arizona is average.
that was not a question looking for an answer
If the eagles somehow win this game what's their pick
They'd fall behind the Panthers Lions Broncos and Falcons
Jags 1-15
Jets 2-14
Dolphins (Texans 4-12)
Falcons 4-12
Bengals 4-11-1
Panthers 5-11
Lions 5-11
Broncos 5-11
Eagles 5-10-1
The 2021 NFL Draft order for the non-playoff teams:
1. Jaguars
2. Jets
3. Dolphins (via Texans)
4. Falcons
5. Bengals
6. Eagles
7. Lions
8. Panthers
9. Broncos
10. Cowboys
11. Giants
12. 49ers
13. Chargers
14. Vikings
15. Patriots
16. Cardinals
17. Raiders
18. Dolphins
Nice. Last time they had the #6 they drafted Corey Simon and Pinkston. Come september, puttin the champagne on ice.
Finally, a reason to wear my Corey Simon jersey again.
Any FCS QBs from Montana or something looking feisty this year?
Jags x Lawrence
Jets x Fields (or Wilson)
Dolphins x Chase (unless they get funky and take Fields or Wilson)
Falcons x Surtain
Bengals x Sewell
Eagles x Smith
am i wrong for wanting surtain now
Yes.
Chase or Smith.
Quote from: MDS on January 05, 2021, 04:39:45 PM
am i wrong for wanting surtain now
NO! Very right
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 03, 2021, 11:40:29 PM
Jags x Lawrence
Jets x Fields (or Wilson)
Dolphins x Chase (unless they get funky and take Fields or Wilson)
Falcons x Surtain
Bengals x Sewell
Eagles x Smith
there is almost no chance sewell doesnt go second...but he one milion percent isnt going 5th...hes up there with the best tackle prospects of all time
i def could see a bengal jet trade
I already feel bad for anyone who thinks it's a done deal that the Eagles are going WR with this pick.
the eagles are a 2-3 season rebuild...its not like they need a wr and then boom theyre in the super bowl
you go bpa and dont think twice
I hope Howie doesn't farg it up whatever it is. But not taking one of those WRs would be ignorant.
Havas - I think Sewell ends up in Cincy whether at 2 or 3 unless someone jumps them.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 05, 2021, 08:32:56 PM
I hope Howie doesn't farg it up whatever it is.
I've got some news for you. You may want to sit down for this.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 05, 2021, 08:32:56 PM
I hope Howie doesn't farg it up whatever it is. But not taking one of those WRs would be ignorant.
lol this is extreme
its january and the draft is 4 months away yet its in stone those 2 are better prospects than any DB
Let me dream will ya plz?
Quote from: General_Failure on January 05, 2021, 08:34:14 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 05, 2021, 08:32:56 PM
I hope Howie doesn't farg it up whatever it is.
I've got some news for you. You may want to sit down for this.
Hope is all I've got
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 05, 2021, 09:01:52 PM
Let me dream will ya plz?
even if you like player x we're 4 months away...chase or smith could easily drop to the teens. neither are calvin johnson or julio jones
Quote from: MDS on January 05, 2021, 08:30:41 PM
the eagles are a 2-3 season rebuild...its not like they need a wr and then boom theyre in the super bowl
you go bpa and dont think twice
Wouldn't be opposed to a trade down. Howie might not pick well but he usually gets decent value when he does pick swaps
They could use young talent at almost every position. They don't particularly need a RB and we know they don't give a shtein about LB but otherwise just don't farging whiff on the pick again.
Got it, draft a punter.
Quote from: General_Failure on January 06, 2021, 12:02:25 AM
Got it, draft a punter.
After the last couple of games it seems like they need one. Guy must have had a Wentz-grade concussion.
Quote from: MDS on January 05, 2021, 09:04:30 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 05, 2021, 09:01:52 PM
Let me dream will ya plz?
even if you like player x we're 4 months away...chase or smith could easily drop to the teens. neither are calvin johnson or julio jones
waddle is probably better than either anyway
all of these dudes are small...not that anyone should build around reagor and fulgham and ward but isnt there someone above 6'1 they can draft
Another finger on the monkey's paw curls as they draft a TE.
kyle pitts is from philly and hes special
it wouldnt be wrong
this is why you were a fool if you rooted for the Eagles to make the playoffs
QuoteUpdated 2021 NFL Draft order after Super Wild Card Weekend:
19) Washington Football Team
20) Bears
21) Colts
22) Titans
23) Jets (via Seahawks)
24) Steelers
EXACTLY! Thank you!
"With the 19th pick the Philadelphia Eagles select WR Frank Fucckkface from Assface A&M"
One week later after all the tanking hot air, Max Kellerman the boxing has been bitching like a one eyed whore for not being paid and Joe Judge Packer, s'all good!
I rooted for the Eagles to deny the Racists a Division title at the Linc, which is different than rooting for Philadelphia to make the playoffs, and thereby disqualifies me from membership in igy's club of fools.
I congratulate myself.
We really won't know if it was worth it until it's clear that the Eagles hit on the pick. Otherwise they accomplished nothing to improve the team.
Reminder that teams like the Jags, Jets, and Lions seem to have top 6 picks most years, and players such as Derrick Henry, Aaron Rodgers, TJ Watt, Xavien Howard, Chandler Jones, Cameron Jordan, Za'Darius Smith, Justin Jefferson, Darius Leonard, Travis Kelce, Davante Adams, Bobby Wagner, and dozens of other Pro Bowlers could have been picked by basically anyone.
Don't think Smiths making it out of the top 5 after tonight
I think he's there. If he ain't Chase will be.
Slim Reaper at 6 please.
He wears 6. Eagles draft 6th.
It's meant to be
I'm developing an unhealthy obsession which sets me up for a crushing blow when Smith isn't picked.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 11, 2021, 08:45:33 PM
I think he's there. If he ain't Chase will be.
12/215/3 tds first half
Jags - Lawrence
Jets - Fields/Wilson
Fins - Chase or Sewell
Falcons - Surtain/Fields/Wilson
Bengals - Chase or Sewell
Eagles - Slim Reaper
trumps tweets > j's eagles draft takes
The biggest let down in team history is heading our way. We're all falling in love with this guy. That first half was simply amazing and it seemed he was jogging half the time, cruise control. I couldn't stop telling my wife "this guy may be an Eagle next year!" She told me STFU and top off my Jack.
I keep having to remind myself the smartest guy in the room is still the GM.
Quote from: Don Ho on January 12, 2021, 05:33:00 AM
The biggest let down in team history is heading our way. We're all falling in love with this guy. That first half was simply amazing and it seemed he was jogging half the time, cruise control. I couldn't stop telling my wife "this guy may be an Eagle next year!" She told me STFU and top off my Jack.
I keep having to remind myself the smartest guy in the room is still the GM.
I just recently started reviewing mock drafts...looks like it drops off after 6...with that being said they better not screw this up. Up until last night was more than fine with a trade back...that's the one place Howies been decent...but after watching Smith he's clearly an elite talent and an offense with him/Reagor/Goedert/Sanders (all fairly young players) is suddenly very exciting. You don't pass on talent like that.
Quote from: MDS on January 12, 2021, 12:02:28 AM
trumps tweets > j's eagles draft takes
FAKE NEWS.
I don't know what fargin' team you guys have been watching that makes you think they're not going to pass on an obvious talent to take a project player.
It's the Eagles. They are going to take a boring, small DE who will show some flashes but never really solidify as a starter.
Micah Parsons is someone I see being mocked to them.
I laugh at that because he plays LB. We know they hate LBs.
But watch this be the year they draft him with Smith or Chase still on the board.
brugler has them taking chase...smith went 3rd
at this point its hard to see him lasting to 6 if you want smith
athletic did a mock where each teams beat writer made a selection for the team they cover
zach berman took lil penei (over waddle, pitts, lance and the two cb's)
i dont see how cinci passes up on him...not sure what their writer is thinking
He took chase
he does mention OL but suggests they do that thru FA
latest athletic mock
Quote6. Philadelphia Eagles — Kyle Pitts, TE, Florida
More likely to trade up or down? Down. Unless the Eagles are already all the way out on Jalen Hurts, the value for them is in stockpiling picks. They're still in a good spot here to dangle a QB or an elite wide receiver to a team in need.
Pitts is special. He's a "tight end" by designation but can do so much, from so many different alignments, to help an offense that he almost needs his own category. If new coach Nick Sirianni's offense still looks like it did in Indianapolis, he'd take full advantage of Pitts' talents.
im all in on chase-pitts
Smith or Chase or gtfo
I'd rather see them trade down a few spots, especially with all the holes and Howie's track record, and this year in particular being more of a crap shoot. Dropping down to #9 and picking up an extra 3rd and 6th might be pretty doable. It would still be fun if Chase or Sewell fell to them to see the pick, but better to resist the shiny objects at 6.
I'd be fine with trading down if they had someone making the picks who wasn't a total retard.
The Eagles rarely get to select elite talent, and that's to their credit, but when they get these rare picks they have a better chance hitting on them than they do later in the first round.
i wouldn't trade down because of the drop off after pitts and the two WR's and hurts is going to need big time talent around him to succeed...but while I agree totally with you that the higher you pick the harder it is to farg up it's also true that the more picks you have the more chances howie gets to get some of them right...that's been the problem in the last few years...he's been terrible but there also has been no margin for error cause of how few picks they've had
keep the hype going
Quote6. Philadelphia Eagles: Kyle Pitts, TE, Florida
The Eagles need a lot of help at receiver, and even though Pitts isn't technically a wide receiver, he will help address those issues. Pitts was as dominant as any player in college football in 2020 with 43 catches for 770 yards and 12 touchdowns in 12 games. New Eagles quarterbacks coach Brian Johnson was the offensive coordinator at Florida. He knows better than anyone in the NFL just what a weapon Pitts can be.
The Coaching Intel
"For a tight end, he is as dynamic as it gets. He has the size, the length and terrific hands. I was really impressed with his route-running. He is such a polished receiver. He's everything you want in a receiving tight end. I do question his blocking, so maybe you're not going to do much in-line stuff with him."
"He's such a stud. How do you defend him? He's an NBA basketball player playing tight end. He just kept getting better and better over the last couple of years. He's special, man. He's unique. He is such a mismatch issue. He's every bit of a 4.5 flat guy, and he plays it. And for a longer-legged, bigger-frame guy, they have to build up speed. But he gets there (to top speed) quicker than some of those long guys. He competes, too. You can just feel it in him. He wants to dominate. I have a ton of respect for him. If you'd ask me after the '19 season, I'd say he was just a big receiver. But he's become a more serviceable blocker. He's gonna put his face on someone and cover him up. He's gonna fight you. He's not gonna be a guy you run power behind or is a knock-back, violent blocker, but he really got better there, too."
Mike Pitts kid?
no, but hes from the area. not sure if he grew up in abington but he was there for a bit, then went to wood and thats where they figured out he was an unreal tight end.
in short hes a philly kid and this would be something
He's from Philly
Rebuild, as long as they don't screw this up and draft a whack job or a disengaged Fireman Dan. Ok with OL, Secondary, WR, hybrid TE. Graham not getting younger, Fletch seems to go down weekly(thankfully usually bounces right back), none of the FA's on the D Line have panned out so OK with DL.
Is not Goedert a FA next year?
He is, yes, but they will have a hojillion dollars under the cap to extend him.
I don't know shtein about their football team but archbishop wood's basketball team is really good this year.
some what do people around the league think about some potential eagle picks...
QuoteJa'Marr Chase, Louisiana State (6-foot-0, 208 pounds): In 2019, Justin Jefferson averaged 13.9 yards per catch and had 18 touchdowns for the Tigers compared to 21.1 and 20, respectively, for Chase. "I thought Chase was on a different level," said one scout. "Watching what Jefferson did this year (with the Vikings), that just makes me say, 'Good Lord.' Honestly, I thought he was the best receiver in the class last year."
Chase opted out of the 2020 season more to prepare for the NFL than COVID-19 fears. "I have concerns," the scout said. "Even when you're training at the highest level, it's different than playing football. I could see his rookie year starting off slow." Extremely well built, both upper and lower body. "Look at his legs," another scout said. "That's a real man there. He'll be a No. 1 wide receiver on a team right away. He'll need to tighten up his routes a little bit. Unbelievably competitive, unbelievable work ethic. The school loves the kid. You want to be around him. Got that rebounder mentality. He's better than Amari Cooper."
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DeVonta Smith, Alabama (6-foot-0, 170 pounds): First receiver to win the Heisman Trophy since Desmond Howard in 1991. First wideout ever to win the Associated Press national player of the year award. "I don't think I've seen a receiver with his flexibility," one scout said. "That's why he can change directions so quickly. I don't recall anyone changing direction like this guy. It's just totally amazing. I thought he was a little like Marvin Harrison."
When Harrison left Syracuse in 1996 as the No. 19 overall pick, he measured 6-foot-0, weighed 185 and ran a 4.35 40. "Marvin was faster," another scout said. "Smith is quick as hell. His routes are amazing. His hands and ball skills are excellent. He's stronger than he looks. But I don't know if he'll be 170. He looks tiny, and he is not explosively fast. There really is no precedent for somebody like him. Any time DeSean Jackson stepped on the field, he was the most explosively fast guy ever. The worry with this guy is, will what he does transfer? He'll play. He'll be a good player. But is he a true No. 1?" Clocked just 4.52 last March.
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Kyle Pitts, Florida (6-foot-6, 250 pounds): Maybe the least nit-picked player in the draft. "The question was, could he block better in 2020 than he did in '19?" said one scout. "In '19, he blocked like crap. This year, he defied all the odds, gained some weight and blocked his ass off. Low-maintenance. Loves football. He's a difference-maker. I think he had zero drops this year. More fluid than Vernon Davis." Averaged 17.9 yards per catch in final season.
"He's better than the two guys from Iowa two years ago (T.J. Hockenson, Noah Fant) combined," a second scout said. "He has Hall of Fame potential as a receiver. Just unique." Regarded by one team as the second-best player in the draft. "You look at (Travis) Kelce and (George) Kittle, the success they've had, there's no comparison as far as athletic ability to this guy," a third scout said. "I usually don't go for that position that high, but I would take him in the top 10. He even tries to block. Played hurt, too. For a young quarterback, I'd like to have this guy on my team."
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Penei Sewell, Oregon (6-foot-6, 330 pounds): Started 20 games at left tackle in 2018 and 2019 before opting out in 2020. "I compared him to (Tony) Boselli but with quicker feet," one scout said. "Dominant run and pass blocker. It's very seldom you find a big-time athlete that is nasty, too. Anthony Munoz and Boselli, guys like that, they really liked to put guys on their tail. But, he didn't play this year." Won't turn 21 until mid-October. "His deal will be character," a second scout said. "It's been easy for him. I don't know that he's 100 percent pro right now. He has to deal with some growing pains in terms of professionalism. But the guy is tough and passionate on the field."
Comes from a football family. "Every time I circle back and watch him, I just don't see it," said a third scout. "He's not that gifted with his feet. He doesn't really play that physical or strong. He can get in the way with things, but he's not a really good finisher and his balance isn't that great. His technique is off. There's a lot of work that needs to be done."
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Trey Lance, North Dakota State (6-foot-4, 226 pounds): Redshirted in 2018, started 16 games for the FCS national champions in '19 and started the Bison's only game in '20. "He's really talented," one scout said. "I'm not going to say he throws it better than Trevor Lawrence, but he definitely throws it better than Zach Wilson and as well as (Justin) Fields arm strength-wise. Josh Allen was more talented, but a year ago Lance was a much more efficient player. Josh threw interceptions in college, especially against good defenses. Lance definitely fits the mold of what you want to look for. The natural, God-given ability, he has it."
Posted a passer rating of 130.1 in 2019 while running for 1,100 yards and 14 TDs. "He's a better runner than Lawrence and the same level as Fields," said a second scout. "He's an aggressive runner. That's the problem. He takes on people all the time. Physically, he's gifted. He's a myth, a one-year-and-one-game starter." Playing in Fargo Oct. 3 against a Central Arkansas team that finished 5-4, Lance was 15-of-30 for 149 yards, two TDs and one interception. He did rush 15 times for 143 yards. Declared for the draft three days later. "He should not have played that game," said a third scout. "He looked awful. Looked like a fourth-round pick. No accuracy. No pocket poise. He fumbled the ball. He looked like a developmental backup guy. Straight-line type athlete. He reminded me of Jameis Winston where it's not really a fluid, natural motion or natural movement in the pocket. He kind of has to gather his whole body to throw."
Two scouts said they'd take him over Jordan Love. "You like the taste, but it's a small sample," a fourth scout said. "I like his tools. I think he can be good, but would I bank on it? There's not enough information for me. A lot of unknowns there that would give me pause."
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CHASE PITTS legggooooooooooooo
I'm in on Pitts.
Chase, Smith or Pitts.
The difference in opinions on Sewell are stark.
Oh and if these dumbfargs draft a QB...pissed won't even begin to describe it.
They draft a QB I'm moving off the reservation and cheering for the WTF's. This FO is that stupid, I can see them doing this and having to listen to Howie's reasoning will be broken glass fragment to the neck material.
So it's going to be Sewell then.
eagles awarded two 6th round comp picks
Fields falls to 6 do you take him?
Quote from: Dre Day on March 26, 2021, 01:11:21 PM
Fields falls to 6 do you take him?
Seems unlikely he falls now that SF mortgaged their future to move to #3.
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 26, 2021, 01:25:15 PM
Quote from: Dre Day on March 26, 2021, 01:11:21 PM
Fields falls to 6 do you take him?
Seems unlikely he falls now that SF mortgaged their future to move to #3.
Damn...missed that trade. Good trade for Miami although not sold on Tua
Eagles have traded out
Down to 12 with Miami
They get a 1 in 2022
Goodbye Pitts Smith and Chase
farley or surtain
maybe one of waddle/smith/chase/pitts fall?
They screwed it up...kinda.
Ain't getting none of those guys at 12 now
womp womp
They could still trade back up a couple of picks.
Regardless, there's some really good talent there.
if one of the receivers falls just a bit, dallas and nyg to me are unlikely to grab one there. denver got jeudy last year. carolina and detroit probably would do it, dolphins too.
theres a chance one of those guys falls, not chase but maybe smith or waddle
focus really shouldn't be on who they can get at 12 it should be on the fact that they have 12 picks this year and probably 3 ones next year...rebuild full steam ahead choooo chooo
So which 2022 first is it? Gotta find out who we root against.
Astute observation, IGY. 100% correct.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 26, 2021, 01:45:15 PM
focus really shouldn't be on who they can get at 12 it should be on the fact that they have 12 picks this year and probably 3 ones next year...rebuild full steam ahead choooo chooo
this is the other part of it...howie very quickly got 3 1's and now they have the ammo to grab a qb next year
no point in chase or pitts if you dont have anyone to throw to them
Smith might fall to 12...a lot of mocks I've seen have him going mid 1st
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 26, 2021, 01:47:34 PM
So which 2022 first is it? Gotta find out who we root against.
i believe it is the dolphins
they are farging loaded everywhere except qb, let fitz go, tua is fragile and i was unimpressed with him. them going 3-13 is wholly unrealistic but 6-7 wins is achievable. that figures to be like mid-teens.
the other end of this is the dolphins make the afccg against the colts
If it's the Fins pick, that's great. I am OUT on Tua and I think the team might be too.
But what the hell is Howie up to:
https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1375501683925651464 21
it IS the dolphins pick
no protections no caveats....we can just straight up root against them
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 26, 2021, 01:39:48 PM
They screwed it up...kinda.
Ain't getting none of those guys at 12 now
With the info we now have it seems like the Eagles were planning on going QB at 6 or even trading up for a QB.
Huge vote of no-confidence in Hurts.
You can imagine the shteinstorm that would have erupted when Howie took Wilson at 6 with some combo of Smith/Chase/Pitts on the board.
And I would've been leading the charge on howie's office if he did that.
He sucks.
Thank god he didn't go up to 3. And hopefully Hurts plays well. You'd think Howie would want him to since he spent a 2nd rounder on him.
Surtain doesn't get beyond Dallas IMO
Maybe Smith falls. Maybe they take Waddle.
Who knows.
BPA that's not a running back
things ill be watching most closely next year...in order
1. carson wentz snap count and health status
2. dolphins win total
3. eagles football
Agreed. The first two are hugely important.
Eagles are going to be Process level terrible. Any positive developments between now and the '22 draft are just gravy.
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 26, 2021, 02:32:00 PM
Eagles are going to be Process level terrible. Any positive developments between now and the '22 draft are just gravy.
im not saying theyre gonna be good but nobody in the nfl is that good or that bad
there is a scenario where the eagles can win 8-10 games and make the playoffs. there is also a more likely scenario where they win 4 games, hurts goes to live wit j in houston and sirianni is bumming cigs on 10th and shunk with the other south philly guidos
Washington won the division last season so yeah, anything can happen. And they get to play a last-place schedule.
But with the moves the team is making, it sure makes it seem like internally they think it's a lost season and the focus is building for 2022 and beyond.
Most straightforward way of getting better ahead of schedule is if Hurts catches fire in year two. I think that's not likely to happen but we've seen many QBs take that surprise leap so I don't think it's impossible.
theyre trying to do both things. the likely scenario for 2021 is like 5 wins or something, but they kept most of the OL, fletch, slay, etc. because its not an outright hinkie level tank
at the same time theyre more focused on 22 and 23 as competition window openings with the caveat that they need to collect assets to get a qb either via the draft or trade or whatever
if it were truly a lost season someone better tell kelce
Quote from: MDS on March 26, 2021, 02:56:32 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 26, 2021, 02:32:00 PM
Eagles are going to be Process level terrible. Any positive developments between now and the '22 draft are just gravy.
im not saying theyre gonna be good but nobody in the nfl is that good or that bad
there is a scenario where the eagles can win 8-10 games and make the playoffs. there is also a more likely scenario where they win 4 games, hurts goes to live wit j in houston and sirianni is bumming cigs on 10th and shunk with the other south philly guidos
Ain't wearing no Astros gear in my crib though
I say Hurts will be the next Russell Wilson.
Who's with meeeeeeee?!?
I'm on board, maybe. It depends on where the factory direct shipping sends him off to.
Lurie cited Doug's wanting to win now rather than prepare for a mid term that can get then back to a SB as a reason for canning him. Whether real or imagined it telegraphed an intent in this kind of move down, and I'm glad they did. I can't imagine how happy this makes Howie, another couple of years to tinker around with.
athletic guys did a quick mock and had smith lasting to 12
eagles twitter is already booking their tickets to canton for chase but who the farg knows i dont know
I am prepared to boo any and every potential draft pick.
Quote from: MDS on March 26, 2021, 02:56:32 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 26, 2021, 02:32:00 PM
Eagles are going to be Process level terrible. Any positive developments between now and the '22 draft are just gravy.
im not saying theyre gonna be good but nobody in the nfl is that good or that bad
there is a scenario where the eagles can win 8-10 games and make the playoffs.
theres zero chance of this but if it makes you feel better
you are right about tanking in the nfl but the eagles dont have to tank they have the least talented roster in the league and a horrendous qb...so they wont get zero wins because of injury, turnover, special teams variance but they will have a top 3 pick
also dont forget how epically bad their coaching staff is
if hurts is indeed terrible yes they will get a top 3 pick
there is a scenario where he improves from last year (this is happened before in sports history, a player being better than anyone anticipated), sirianni is legit and they use the last place schedule/weak division combo to get to the 8-10 area.
will this happen? likely not. but hurts is not a known zesty commodity like nate sudfeld. the eagles hired the worst coach they couldve thought of and he won a super bowl. *shrugs*
i mean anything is possible when you deal in fiction and fantasy...thats what makes it so awesome
im pretty on the scale of fantasy and fiction doug pederson winning a super bowl with nick foles is closer to there being a god than jalen hurts being halfway decent is
Qb class of 2022 ain't good
Which means Howie is gonna trade up for a bum
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 27, 2021, 12:18:35 AM
Qb class of 2022 ain't good
Which means Howie is gonna trade up for a bum
this seems too soon
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 26, 2021, 01:45:15 PM
focus really shouldn't be on who they can get at 12 it should be on the fact that they have 12 picks this year and probably 3 ones next year...rebuild full steam ahead choooo chooo
Roger that! The trainwreck is back on the tracks. 20 picks next two drafts, lots they can do.
albert breer is a white nationalist and a hack but he had a good nugget this AM
QuoteThe Eagles worked exclusively with the Dolphins, and Roseman had to keep the trade under wraps in the two-plus weeks in between to allow for the bang-bang nature of how it eventually would go down. And with the Eagles believing there is a pretty good chance the Bengals will take LSU's Ja'Marr Chase at five (we mentioned in our mock this week that that Joe Burrow has given Cincinnati's brass a glowing recommendation), Philly felt comfortable with the difference in talent between six and 12—and also operated with the knowledge that it'd be hard to get a future first (this being Miami's slotted No. 1 in 2022) in exchange for moving down closer to the draft, particularly if it looked like the top four picks would be QBs.
if howie is right and chase goes 5...then ok. but man he better be right
i wasnt convinced he was going to take a WR at 6 and id bet against it at 12....i think he ends up trading back again and takes BPA at one of the positions hes loves OT - CB - edge rusher or stays at 12 and does the same
Honestly, there are so many needs at this point, BPA would be the best bet... if I had a shred of confidence in Roseman/Lurie.
Aside from Lawrence and Wilson players are all over the draft board. Speculation is 5 qbs could be taken within the first 10 picks (Lawrence/Wilson/Fields/Lance/Mac Jones)...that would obviously be great for the Eagles.
i do wonder if pitts falls to 9, they go up to get him. giants wont take him at 11 but you know jerrah would
why is a team in a five year rebuild auto taking a pass catcher much less trading up for one... don't get the tunnel vision obsession amongst so many people
at six the way the draft is going to fall I understood it at least...but like beat writers right after the trade back were writing articles breaking down what wr could be at 12
because pitts is potentially special
the eagles have zero great players. i get it they need *a lot*
also hes from philly
Sewell is potentially special so is Rousseau and at a more important positions
I just don't get the thinking the eagles HAVE to take a pass catcher...everyone is acting like they have to take one with their first pick or fold the franchise
clearly howie agrees or he wouldn't have moved out of six
Every position is a position of need so bpa should prevail. Fans generally get more excited over offensive skill players than they do other positions. Howie will probably draft someone with a mid 2nd grade because he's still not cured of the smartest guy in the room syndrome
Mac Jones seems to be moving up pretty quick and 5 QBs could come off before the Eagles pick at 12. I see 3 non-qb elite prospects and 3 that aren't very far behind, just with a little lower floor. So, it's possible eagles could miss out on one of them by one spot at 12. Denver would be a good trade up target at 9 if they don't enter the quarterback derby since dallas and nyg draft at 10 and 11. Maybe jerruh would be willing to return the favor from last year with a trade but doubt it, especially without charging a premium. It would restore a little faith in Howie if he went up a couple slots and still came away with a top tier player after his haul trading down, maybe even one he would have taken at 6.
I just looked it up. The draft is a month away. Plenty of time for all of this to change and change again. Pitts to fall, Whozeewhatsit to rise, blah blah blah.
A whole month before we get a genuine WTF moment, like when the words "Jalen Hurts" were uttered last year.
All I hope is they don't take the biggest, tallest fundie they can find and/or a guy with white supremacist tattoos.
Quote from: Dre Day on March 30, 2021, 10:42:39 PM
Every position is a position of need so bpa should prevail.
yeah especially in a not great draft...you know its weak when mac friggin jones might go top three
McShay has birds taking Micah Parsons @ #12.
Ran a 4.39 at his pro day
34 inch vertical
Saw some of the wrap on him and all that hazing shtein at PSU, gimme a break. Pussification of America. Not like he took someone into the shower and.......too soon?
I doubt Parsons falls that far but if he did I doubt the Eagles take an Lb that high.
penn state fans are the most insufferable people on earth and if the eagles take one of their stupid linebackers it would be unbearable
pass
Take someone from Alabama. I hear they're pretty good.
Please Jesus Christ don't take a goddamn linebacker at 12
Lol
Any white LBs available at 12?
Matt McCoy says howzit!
Take a linebacker, but move him to DE. Gotta get them fastballs out there.
Non. Stop. Motor.
high motor
high character guy
nice bubble
bit of a tweener
plays football but his real passion is _______
projected as a day 2 pick
Two first names.
My favorite was after they reached for Trevor Laws in the 2nd round they couldn't stop talking about his quick hands.
The last Eagles draft pick who made the Pro Bowl his rookie year:
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I have three of them I grew up on them I worship them and still every time i see one my bathing suit area starts to feel funny
just farging gorgeous
I need a Byron Evans one. Bad.
Keith Jackson is my jersey.
also I thought Micah parsons graduated like 6-7 years ago.
You're probably confusing him with Gram Parsons, who died in 1973.
Any predictions for Thursday? Seems like Surtain to Dallas. Ive barely done any research but mocks have them taking either Devonta Smith or Jaycee Horn. I'd be thrilled with either player. Since it's Howie I'm expecting something out of left field. He just can't help his smartest guy in the room self. Wouldn't mind another trade up if a QB falls and the value is good.
Another thought: are Fields/Lance/Jones that much better qb prospects that Hurts? I'm not saying Hurts is anything special but neither are those 3.
if hurts is in this draft he's still a second rounder
I'm not saying all those guys are studs and odds are that a couple will bust but just on arm talent alone they are all light years ahead of hurts as prospects
I just want a successful pick...the eagles roster is so bad that I find it hard to focus on any single player at 12....of course this would change if say a waddle or Sewell drops...but of the players expected to be there eh just take the highest on your board and make sure you are right...or trade back for future picks cause this draft if putrid...I mean of course it is since the eagles have the most picks in it
if I was forced to choose I would say take a lineman...take the 12 puck out of it just in terms of big picture coming out of this draft I'm looking to begin to form your OL if the future
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2021, 07:52:37 PM
I just want a successful pick...the eagles roster is so bad that I find it hard to focus on any single player at 12.
I have no confidence in that happening at all.
I've seen Horn predicted to them in a lot of mocks because despite needing a WR the group there is deep. So people seem to think they'll go corner. I'd be fine with that. Surtain would take a jump ahead of Dallas which Howie could do.
I would prefer Smith though. I want a baller at WR. It's a shame they can't get Pitts
If they take some OL or Kwity Paye I'll probably lose it
i kind of want a lineman just to destroy eagles twitter i.e. the biggest collection of paint huffing morons in the universe
That's true.
But drafting some stiff to see people cry ain't worth it
I've also read they love Jaylen Waddle
hes not a stiff he just plays a boring position
everyone wants waddle or smith and they could both stink
sports fans in general but football fans especially cannot fathom their team being bad or taking a step back. add in the general meth headedness of eagles fans and you get foaming at the mouth anger over this shtein
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2021, 07:52:37 PM
if hurts is in this draft he's still a second rounder
I'm not saying all those guys are studs and odds are that a couple will bust but just on arm talent alone they are all light years ahead of hurts as prospects
Valid points. I like Hurts intangibles but end of the day talent wins. OSU qbs are meh in the nfl but Fields interests me as a prospect more so than Lance or Jones who I've admittedly seen very little of. The one good thing for the Eagles is 5 qbs should be taken by the time they pick meaning the 7 best players at other positions are available.
Quote from: MDS on April 27, 2021, 10:24:54 PM
hes not a stiff he just plays a boring position
everyone wants waddle or smith and they could both stink
sports fans in general but football fans especially cannot fathom their team being bad or taking a step back. add in the general meth headedness of eagles fans and you get foaming at the mouth anger over this shtein
honestly its not just twitter or wip fans its draft analysts as well and of course its a vicious cycle because the twitter/wip crowd have no thoughts of their own they simply regurgitate what the analysts are saying
its just so infuriating how they all act like the eagles are a wr away from contending...there would be nothing wrong with taking a wr as it is certainly a need but they either have a massive hole or are ageing at every single position on the field except RB and TE yet because of who they had to go with at WR down the stretch the last two years...which admittedly was ugly...its now become wr or bust...like if howie takes an OL or DL fans will bitch and be like oh there goes the 2021 season down the drain...but if that guy pans out and they have an all pro level tackle in five years when they might be good you wont hear a peep about how they should have taken a wr
of course they will never be good without a QB but thats for another day
Kwity Paye DE from Michigan seems to be the name floating out there right now
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 06, 2021, 12:00:52 AM
They could use young talent at almost every position. They don't particularly need a RB and we know they don't give a shtein about LB but otherwise just don't farging whiff on the pick again.
Still this. Don't care about the position. Don't care if he's high in mock drafts or a sleeper pick. Just don't whiff on the player. They need far too much to be caring about filling "holes". The team is a hole right now.
Quote from: TAFKASD on April 28, 2021, 09:23:32 AM
Kwity Paye DE from Michigan seems to be the name floating out there right now
Hard no.
I think one thing that has turned me off the draft is what Havas mentioned - so many people think they are draft experts now. Not that it wasn't like that before but it wasn't so in your face. Now every swinging dick has a podcast. Or former writers have podcasts. And there are so many shows and online publications that it gets overwhelming. And normal people who aren't in the media think they're experts because "they watched the film" yeah ok....whatever.
I'm sick of everyone talking about position groups as "the room". "he'd be a great addition to the OL room". Stop.
And while we're at it....the switchover to the term EDGE. farg off its a DE.
QuoteHere's another Paye tidbit, from Tony Pauline of the Pro Football Network:
"(12:55 PM ET) I'm told the team loves Kwity Paye, the edge rusher from Michigan, and view him as a clone to another former Wolverine — Brandon Graham — the Eagles' former first-round pick. Could they take him with the 12th overall selection? I'd say right now, it's possible."
Who is Tony Pauline? He used to work with the Birds' official website. He predicted the Jalen Reagor selection last season, along with Lance Zierlein. They were the two dudes that were on top of that one.
On paper, Paye does seem to be the type of player the Eagles would draft. They love edge rushers. They've selected a million of them in the past. And with BG soon moving on, and Derek Barnett on the last year of his deal, the only guarantee moving forward is Josh Sweat. There's a very brief shelf life for this unit, as currently constructed.
I'll send the Don Ho tidbit later, he predicted the Carson Wentz selection in 2016.
Getting closer to posting a "Point & Laugh at the Eagles Forever" thread.
dumb prediction that wont be true:
eagles target surtain and possibly leapfrog dallas to grab him...then grab that wr from minnesota in the 2nd round
dumb prediction that won't be true after day 2:
Eagles grade A+
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 28, 2021, 03:39:38 PM
Quote from: TAFKASD on April 28, 2021, 09:23:32 AM
Kwity Paye DE from Michigan seems to be the name floating out there right now
Hard no.
I think one thing that has turned me off the draft is what Havas mentioned - so many people think they are draft experts now. Not that it wasn't like that before but it wasn't so in your face. Now every swinging dick has a podcast. Or former writers have podcasts. And there are so many shows and online publications that it gets overwhelming. And normal people who aren't in the media think they're experts because "they watched the film" yeah ok....whatever.
I'm sick of everyone talking about position groups as "the room". "he'd be a great addition to the OL room". Stop.
And while we're at it....the switchover to the term EDGE. farg off its a DE.
Holy shtein I could rip a top 20 list off the top of my head of annoying, lazy and moronic shtein like this that I see all the time. I won't bore everybody with my own pet peeve list of inane omnipresent crap, but at least I did find some pretty cool night before the draft info: I've seen that Howie might move back up in the draft. Or, he could also move down further to get more picks, unless he decides to stay put at 12. I've seen this from a good number of sources so I'm pretty sure it's true.
You know Howie is feeling emboldened by all the intrigue today.
Let's be real, Howie is always emboldened. Nothing he could do today would come as much of a surprise, except maybe staying at 12 and taking the consensus best guy on the board at the time.
WR drafted +130
CB drafted +145
Those are the odds for their first pick.
I threw a few bucks on each. I'll make more if they take a WR.
I'm ready for Howie to draft a TE tonight.
If it's Kyle Pitts yeah
I've always disliked Urban Meyer.
Hate him even more now that he let the entire time run off the clock to make this pick. icehole
The NFL's draft tracker auto-played a video when they updated the pick. No one asked for this.
Pitts with Julio and Ridley is fantastic
Chase and Burrow...that'll be fun.
They better look OL from here on out tho
I see jackoffs are still leaking picks on Twitter
Miami's pick is a shocker
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 29, 2021, 09:03:03 PM
I see jackoffs are still leaking picks on Twitter
If there's time to leak the pick then the dog and pony show needs to be shortened. Also, stop using Twitter.
I hate seeing that the pick is in and knowing we still have to watch the human interest feature they prepared
get on with it
I won't be using it tonight bc of this.
Sewell and Big V as bookends in Detroit
Come on Smith!
I'm still anticipating a TE pick from Howie.
They're farged.
Horn to CAR
That means Surtain to DAL and Smith to NYG
farg
We up
Gave up 84 to get ahead of Giants
SMITH BABY
LETS fargING GOOOO
Zaven Collins is my next target
Arizona saw your big board?
Obviously.
Tonight is my first night drinking post COVID so I was loose with my info
That pick has to be the first real reach.
they should take a qb in the 2nd round
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 29, 2021, 10:14:20 PM
Zaven Collins is my next target
Assante Samuel is my target. Probably goes late 1st so have to trade up
I'm cool with Asante's kid. He's a player.
Wash took my second fave LB
He looks like a bust to me.
Omg that pink body suit.. And the other one in the big girl...I think I've seen enough
does anyone miss anything more than espn misses trey wingo
Yeah I'm on NFLN bc I can't take Greeny
LB Jeremiah Owusu-Koromoah
S Trevon Moehrig
CB Asante Samuel Jr.
OT Teven Jenkins
C/OG Quinn Meinerz
C Landon Dickerson (health issues)
RB Javonte Williams
WR Elijah Moore
WR Terrance Marshall Jr.
DT Christian Barmore
CB Tyson Campbell
CB Ifeatu Melifonwu
S Richie Grant
CB Paulson Adebo
DE Azeez Ojulari
Names to look out for in round 2/3
most of those guys aren't making it to three
they will never take him cause of position but I would friggin love Elijah Moore
The Philadelphia Eagles traded up two spots Thursday night to select Alabama wide receiver DeVonta Smith 10th overall in the 2021 NFL Draft. Zach Berman, Sheil Kapadia and Bo Wulf grade the move.
Berman: If you told me on Jan. 4 that the Eagles would pick DeVonta Smith in the first round, I would have said that's a solid outcome for the team. To land Smith while also adding a 2022 first-round pick makes this even better for Howie Roseman. The net sum of their maneuvering was sending the No. 6 pick, the No. 84 pick (a third-rounder acquired in the Carson Wentz trade) and the 156th pick (fifth round) for the No. 10 pick, the No. 123 pick (fourth round) and Miami's first-rounder next season. That's a good deal, especially if the Eagles come away with Smith.
My reservation with what the Eagles did on Thursday had nothing to do with Smith. (More on that below.)
There's little to quibble with about Smith's play. His production is prolific — he won the Heisman Trophy and finished with 117 catches for 1,856 yards and 23 touchdowns, and he made the game-winning catch in the national championship game as a freshman. He was consistent and clutch. He's polished, he's smooth and he's tough. The biggest knock on him is that he's extraordinarily slight at 166 pounds, making him an outlier. There's little historical success for players that size becoming elite NFL receivers, and those concerns cannot necessarily be dismissed. But it hasn't stopped him in the SEC against the best cornerbacks in the country.
"I saw a guy with length, I saw a guy with toughness," said Andy Weidl, the Eagles' vice president of player personnel, on Thursday night. "You catch 117 passes in the SEC, you're doing something right. You set the SEC record for career touchdown receptions, you're doing something right. But even more so, whenever his team needed him, he stepped up. The moment was never too big for him."
"He sure as heck doesn't play like a guy ... with that size," head coach Nick Sirianni said. "I see a ton of play strength and toughness ... over and over again."
You don't want a team full of exceptions, but if you're going to take an exception, make sure he's exceptional. That's what Smith has been. My guess is the baseline for Smith is a solid NFL receiver, and the upside is an elite, top-of-the-league player. I'll take his resume and profile any day.
So now let's look at the decision. This is the fourth consecutive year the Eagles have taken a pass catcher in the first two rounds and the second consecutive year they used their first-round pick on a wide receiver. That's not ideal, although they couldn't go into this pick worried about their current depth chart or previous draft investments. The question needed to be how could they acquire an elite player, and Smith was one of the best players available in this draft.
My biggest criticism of the decision has nothing to do with Smith and more to do with the quarterback evaluation. They were in a position to draft Justin Fields. The Eagles signaled that they weren't going to be in the quarterback market when they traded down from No. 6 to No. 12, although Roseman admitted that when they made the trade, they thought more quarterbacks would go in the top 10. I would rather have Fields than Jalen Hurts at quarterback to begin the post-Carson Wentz era. My guess is they weren't yet ready to tie the franchise down to a first-round quarterback and they'll see what Hurts can do, which is a fine strategy if they think Hurts has a decent chance of being the answer at the position. Plus, it's not just Hurts versus Fields; it's Hurts and Smith versus Fields (and perhaps a resource if they turned around and traded Hurts).
I don't think the Eagles will look back at this draft and wonder how they took Smith over Micah Parsons or Kwity Paye or even another receiver like Kadarius Toney or Rashod Bateman. Smith was a sensible pick where they took him. I don't even think the Eagles will look back and wish they stayed at No. 6 and had a chance at Patrick Surtain II or Jaycee Horn — the value of the 2022 first-round pick made that trade worth it, especially with Kyle Pitts and Ja'Marr Chase off the board. But if Fields becomes an elite quarterback and the Eagles are trying to replace Hurts next season, then passing on Fields is a decision they might live to regret.
Again, though, that doesn't say anything about Smith. The Eagles came away with the best player in college football last season who married exceptional value with a major need, and they did it with shrewd maneuvering. That's worthy of praise. The Eagles should feel much better about who's catching balls for them this season and their resources beyond this season. How they should feel about who's throwing the passes is a different question.
Grade: A-
Kapadia: This was the "don't overthink it" draft for the Eagles. Going in, I thought they should sit tight at 12 and take whoever was left out of Jaylen Waddle, Patrick Surtain II and Devonta Smith. However, quarterbacks started to fall, and with the Cowboys on the clock, only Smith remained out of those three.
I have made my feelings pretty clear on Smith. He can get open. He catches everything. And he dazzles with his sideline acrobatics. I love his competitiveness and toughness.
Is it concerning that he's only 166 pounds? Of course. But I thought Smith showed a knack for avoiding big hits and knowing when to get down. He has plenty of experience he can lean on for how to be the little guy and still dominate. The guy had 3,965 yards and 46 touchdowns in the SEC. He also had no durability issues (54 games in four seasons).
Before the draft, I was against the Eagles moving up. You always want to get as many swings as possible. But I think it was a fine decision to move up a couple of spots in exchange for the 84th overall pick. In terms of the "juice" factor, you can't really beat Smith.
Grade: B
Wulf: All things considered, this was a good night for the Eagles. Entering the draft, we thought the Eagles were hoping they could sit at No. 12 and draft one of Patrick Surtain Jr., Jaycee Horn, Jaylen Waddle or DeVonta Smith. The way things unfolded, with both Justin Fields and Mac Jones falling out of the top 10, that calculus was changed. (In fact, Howie Roseman acknowledged Thursday night the Eagles expected more quarterbacks to be drafted early when they initially made the trade to move down from No. 6 to No. 12.) Rather than risk losing out on Smith, the last player remaining of those four targets, Roseman sent the second of the team's two third-round picks (No. 37 overall) to the Dallas Cowboys in order to move up two spots to select Smith before the Giants had an opportunity to draft him at No. 11. The Giants subsequently trading down to No. 20 and later selecting wide receiver Kadarius Toney all but confirmed Roseman had the right read on the Giants' intentions.
"We had a plan that we talked about and we had a list of guys that were really targeting in this draft," Roseman said, "and with the amount of picks that we had, the flexibility we had because of the picks, we felt like it was important to get one of those guys. And that's why we made the trade to go up again."
Generally speaking, I'm not in favor of surrendering a third-round pick to move up two spots. We talk all the time about teams overestimating their ability to differentiate prospects from one another. But in this case, I think it was a good call. The real risk was losing out on all four of those targeted players. The Eagles are in a roster-building stage in which, more than anything, they simply need good players. The prospect of trading out from No. 6, even with the 2022 first-round pick acquired, and ending up with a relative leftover at No. 12, or having to trade back, would have been uninspiring. It wouldn't be a surprise to see the Eagles trade back at some point on Day 2 to recoup some lost draft capital.
As for Smith, I was worried the Eagles might overthink things. He is not a perfect prospect. The concerns over his size are legitimate — there is not much of a track record of players under 170 pounds making an impact at the next level. And his prospect profile, as a senior receiver from an SEC school, is not historically great either. But there also isn't much precedent for a player having over 1,800 yards receiving and 23 touchdowns in the SEC. That Smith topped 1,000 yards during his junior season (and out-targeted Jerry Jeudy and Henry Ruggs III in the process) assuages those concerns a bit. We have knocked the Eagles in the past for straying from consensus, like when they selected Jalen Reagor over Justin Jefferson last season, so we should acknowledge them sticking to it this time around. It's probably also true that they wouldn't have made this pick if Reagor had been a stud during his rookie season, but good for them for taking that medicine.
Smith seems like the kind of player who should have buy-in from all sides of the organization. Scouts will love a player of his production and status as a two-time captain at Alabama who is spoken of glowingly by those inside the program. The Eagles also have knowledge of Smith from Jalen Hurts and assistant special-teams coordinator Joe Pannunzio, who was with the Alabama program when Smith first arrived in Tuscaloosa. Nick Sirianni, meanwhile, was even more excitable than usual Thursday night when asked about Smith.
"What I saw in DeVonta was just a guy who could consistently win one-on-one," he said. "It's a little different how he does it. He does it with speed, he does it with quickness, he does it at the top of the route, he does it at the beginning of the route off the line of scrimmage. I consistently saw him win one-on-one versus some of those top corners in the SEC. And when you have a guy like that in your offense who can do that, it makes everyone around him better."
Short-term fit shouldn't really matter from a team-building perspective, but Smith steps in and immediately makes the offense more interesting. It's also easy to theorize he'll take some pressure off Reagor, who may now spend more time in the slot. Big picture, Roseman and the Eagles may have hoped to add someone on the line of scrimmage with a pick this high, but they rightly eschewed that in order to stick to the board.
"It is definitely not shifting our focus or our philosophy," Roseman said. "Again, we stuck to our board on this. This is a guy whose grade stuck out. This was one of the top players in the draft for the Eagles. We thought (he) was a great player and we didn't want to bypass that to fill a need."
We'll see if they can stick to that script over the course of the rest of draft weekend.
Grade: A-
schefter just said that the bears first called the eagles and offered that package to move up for fields at 10
would you have done this?
give:
move from 10 to 20 last night
3rd rounder tonight
5th rounder tomorrow
get:
20th pick last night
5th rounder tomorrow
1st rounder next year
4th rounder next year
I suppose it depends on how much you like next year's draft class. If you're not super high on it, no deal. They've already got two firsts next year, maybe a third. A fourth would be great if you like the class, Howie's bound to get one of them right.
i think you gotta take the 1
fields might be terrible...the bears are a pretty wretched franchise with a bad coach....there is a decent chance thats a top 10 pick next year. that's 4 1's that all could be in the top 20.
i think the tough part of doing it would have been the 3rd you gave up to move to 10 to begin with
oh wait id assume this was for 12
has anyone ever traded for a pick then immediately traded the pick again
they werent calling people in advance...they were calling people as he was dropping
to answer the question tho probably not...for that exact reason..whatever you just traded to move up has to be included in the second trade so you are at a negative because of it
man what i would have given to have kept joe douglas and lost howie roseman[
he probably wont but if he can slip by miami the eagles could get the steal of the draft in JOK
this has just fell amazingly well for the birds they have jok and moehrig on the board
who is landon dickerson
lol he tore his acl 5 months ago...smartest guys in the room pick baby!!
Someone reassure me that linebackers really are not that valuable anyway.
I don't know if that's ever happened but I could see it. One team maybe won't do biz with another and they convince another team to make the deal.
I'm glad they took Smith. He's the guy I wanted from the beginning
QuotePlayers Selected
North Dakota State - 2
Auburn, Oklahoma, Texas A&M - 0
lol nfl network has TE the eagles top need right now
If they unload Ertz, TE is a need.
I don't know about top.
CB, DE, LB.
Have I said they should just keep Ertz and make him play his last year out?
That's what the Eagles should do. If he's got anythign left, he'll show it and they can enjoy the production for one last year. If not, fine. No one is trading much for him after last year.
they have a young solid TE..outside of RB its probably their last area of need
i really dont give a shtein about ertz either way....he has no value in a trade and he has no value to the team...hes not on my radar
He's also not going to add much to the offense if moping through a year as an old man. Still not the top need, though.
I think Paulson Adebo is my next target.
I was about to say Basham would be a target but he just went
Other than Adebo I'd be interested in Jabril Cox
How is Landon Whothefarg better than this Myers kid who just went?
Quote from: Diomedes on April 30, 2021, 09:30:28 PM
How is Landon Whothefarg better than this Myers kid who just went?
i dont know who myers is but minus the injuries dickerson was a potential late first rounder...granted thats like saying if a guy was fast he would go first round
Jimmie Giles on the screen
Thanks for the TD catch after Randall made Banks look foolish
number one on a few peoples boards is the nd TE tremble....be funny if they took him
IQ 80 fanbase seems upset the Eagles haven't drafted a corner.
Newsflash: the Eagles are going to suck, it's year 1 of a rebuild. Don't reach for particular positions please. Eagles have always had more success drafting linemen anyway.
Yes, teams will be toasting the secondary all season again. We know it, Howie knows it, Sirianni knows it. Eagles will have at least one early first round pick next year to address it.
Lets all calm down on the first round QB thing. Not a lot happening here. Two SB winners.
2006
3: Vince Young, Titans
10: Matt Leinart, Cardinals
11: Jay Cutler, Broncos
2007
1: JaMarcus Russell, Raiders
22: Brady Quinn, Browns
2008
3: Matt Ryan, Falcons
18: Joe Flacco, Ravens
2009
1: Matthew Stafford, Lions
5: Mark Sanchez, Jets
17: Josh Freeman, Buccaneers
2010
1: Sam Bradford, Rams
25: Tim Tebow, Broncos
2011
1: Cam Newton, Panthers
8: Jake Locker, Titans
10: Blaine Gabbert, Jaguars
12: Christian Ponder, Vikings
2012
1: Andrew Luck, Colts
2: Robert Griffin III, taterskins
8: Ryan Tannehill, Dolphins
22: Brandon Weeden, Browns
2013
16: EJ Manuel, Bills
2014
3: Blake Bortles, Jaguars
22: Johnny Manziel, Browns
32: Teddy Bridgewater, Vikings
2015
1: Jameis Winston, Buccaneers
2: Marcus Mariota, Titans
2016
1: Jared Goff, Rams
2: Carson Wentz, Eagles
26: Paxton Lynch, Broncos
2017
2: Mitchell Trubisky, Bears
10: Patrick Mahomes, Chiefs
12: Deshaun Watson, Texans
2018
1: Baker Mayfield, Browns
3: Sam Darnold, Jets
7: Josh Allen, Bills
10: Josh Rosen, Cardinals
32: Lamar Jackson, Ravens
2019
1: Kyler Murray, Cardinals
6: Daniel Jones, Giants
15: Dwayne Haskins, taterskins
2020 - they're still babies
Day Three Targets
RB Kenneth Gainwell Memphis
WR Tylan Wallace Okie St
WR Shi Smith SoCar
WR Osirus Mitchell MissSt
TE Kenny Yeboah OleMiss
OT James Hudson Cincy
OT Dan Brown Texas A&M
OG Deonte Brown Bama
DT Bobby Brown Texas A&M
LB Jabril Cox LSU
LB Dylan Moses Bama
LB KJ Britt Auburn
CB Tay Gowen UCF
CB Shaun Wade OSU
CB Robert Rochell Central Ark
S Jamar Johnson Indiana
S Richard LeCounte Georgia
S Damar Hamilton Pitt
best available CB please
They have a shtein ton of picks today, I hope they move some to next season. Convert some 6ths into 5ths for the 2022 draft. Go all in next season stacked.
Dallas took the LB I liked most.
Dylan Moses will help offset my saltiness a bit
I wonder if there's ever been a scientific study about how often the phrase "steal of the draft" is said in any given draft. I'd think it's a lot.
Picks 225 and 240 dealt to Washington for a 2022 5th rounder
Guys still on the board I'd like
Dylan Moses LB Bama
Tay Gowan CB UCF
Charles Snowden DE UVA
Kary Vincent CB LSU
Shi Smith WR SoCar
Marquez Stevenson WR/RS Houston (taken by BUF as I was writing)
Ardarius Washington S TCU
Seth Williams WR Auburn
Kenny Yeboah TE OleMiss
Osirus Mitchell WR MissSt
Trey Smith G Tennessee
Marvin Wilson DT FSU
Justin Hilliard LB OSU
The UDFAs so far
QB Jamie Newman Wake Forest (transferred to UGA but opted out bc of Covid)
WR Trevon Grimes 6'4 218 from Florida. Eagles QB Coach Brian Johnson was is OC
WR Jhamon Ausbon 6'2 217 from Texas A&M opted out last season but was good in 2019
C Harry Cider 6'3 307 from Indiana
TE Jack Stoll 6'4 247 from Nebraska
DE JaQuan Bailey 6'2 246 from Iowa State
OT Kayode Awosika 6'3 307 from Buffalo
send jack stoll back to the maga hellhole he climbed out of
(https://d2pvyxdw30n8fd.cloudfront.net/KOLN/v5d4350f1b5e7b/jackstoll-1564692751.jpg)
Lol guaranteed he has a couple confederate flags somewhere
sporting news
It's fair to call this class solid but not spectacular for GM Howie Roseman, at least after the trade up to pick Smith. The Eagles went down the line addressing their needs and probably landed a couple near-future starters on top of Smith and Dickerson.
nfl.com
Day 1 grade: A
Day 2 grade: A-
Day 3 grade: A
Analysis: The Eagles became the first team in 16 years to use back-to-back first-round selections on receivers when they traded up two spots to pick Smith (they selected Jalen Reagor 21st overall last April). Smith is an outstanding talent who could very well prove worthy of sending their division-rival Cowboys a third-rounder for the two-spot swap. Dickerson was selected as a guard and could be center Jason Kelce's replacement in a year or two, though his injury history made him a bit of a risk as a top-40 pick. Williams' athleticism had earned him a spot in the third round. He'll give Philly some needed depth at defensive tackle.
They found the nickel corner they needed in McPhearson early in the fourth, then found value in the fifth round with a slasher, dual-threat back in Gainwell. Trading sixth- and seventh-round picks this year to Washington for a fifth next year was shrewd, if for no other reason than the fifth-rounder will play as a better trading chip if they need to make another move down the road. With Josh Sweat and Derek Barnett set to hit free agency soon, they were smart to nab Jackson in the sixth round. Stevens is a strong tackler and leader who could play linebacker or safety in the NFL.
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Day 1: The Eagles need elite players at many different positions, and they get one by initially trading down but then trading up to take DeVonta Smith. The Heisman Trophy winner immediately becomes the best receiver on Philadelphia's roster. All Smith did last season was produce a 94.9 PFF grade with 23 touchdowns. He can play either wide or in the slot — it doesn't matter. His diminutive size may have scared some teams off, but he has shown he can get open against anyone.
Day 2: If it weren't for injuries, Landon Dickerson would be a high first-round pick and one of the best offensive linemen in this draft. But multiple ACL injuries caused his stock to come with a significant medical red flag. Taking that gamble in the second round is a lot smarter than doing so in the first. The Eagles can look for him to replace Jason Kelce long-term and maybe find a starting spot at guard in the meantime.
Williams is undersized on the interior. However, he showed at a historically impressive Pro Day that he has the athleticism necessary to win at that size in the NFL. He took a big leap forward this past season, improving his PFF grade from 72.6 to 90.8 from 2019 to 2020. The Eagles are set at starter between Fletcher Cox and Javon Hargrave, but Williams adds to the depth inside following the loss of Malik Jackson.
Day 3: The Eagles are getting incredible value for Patrick Johnson, a player ranked 92nd on PFF's Big Board. He is a nice technical player but needs to create consistent value by showing up to play on every down. When he's on his game, he is a very good player.
Draft Grade B-
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Jumping the Giants for DeVonta Smith was a smooth move, and I guess the Cowboys knew they'd have to deal with the Heisman winner either way, so they might as well get a third-round pick out of the deal. Landon Dickerson was a risky pick with his injury history, especially with the other centers who were still on the board. Milton Williams was the most underrated interior defender in this draft, and deserving of all the fist-bumps. Kenneth Gainwell was the best of multiple bargain picks on Day 3 that should help their depth on both sides of the ball.
GRADE: B-
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Philadelphia Eagles
Grade: B+
Analysis: Traded from No. 6 to No. 12 to No. 10 to land Smith, a possible target at No. 6. But trading down in the third round for an extra sixth was foolish and cost the Eagles a much-needed cornerback. Dickerson could start the year on IR.
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Philadelphia Eagles
Picks: 1-10: Alabama WR DeVonta Smith; 2-37: Alabama C-OG Landon Dickerson; 3-73: Louisiana Tech DT Milton Williams; 4-123: Texas Tech CB Zech McPhearson; 5-150: Memphis RB Kenneth Gainwell; 6-189: USC DT Marlon Tuipulotu; 6-191: Coastal Carolina EDGE Tarron Jackson; 6-224: LSU S JaCoby Stevens; 7-234: Tulane EDGE Patrick Johnson
Favorite pick: Dickerson
There's a considerable health risk here, as four of Dickerson's five college seasons ended with injury. If he can stay healthy, the Eagles landed one of the smarter, tougher, more physical interior linemen with an early second-round pick. Jason Kelce is in the twilight of his career, and Dickerson brings intangibles — and about 50 more pounds — that are similar to the Eagles' longtime great. We're holding out hope that Dickerson can have a long career because he has virtually everything desirable in an offensive lineman, save for a clean medical history.
Least-favorite pick: Willams
We moved Williams into our top 100 list before the draft at No. 87 overall because of his tremendous athleticism, intriguing upside and hot motor. He remains a project whose traits outweigh his production, and his size could be a limiting factor. He's neither massive nor long for interior duty, so he'll have to clean up his technique and learn better balance and keep blockers from getting into his chest so often. We don't hate this pick, but we don't think it was their best.
Overall: After a thoroughly confusing 2020 draft effort, the Eagles rebounded quite nicely with this year's haul. The leapfrog over the Giants to grab Smith was inspired; they wouldn't have gotten him otherwise. McPhearson (three career blocked kicks, four INTs in 2020), Gainwell and Tuipulotu were well worth the value where they were picked. Jackson has some Hugh Douglas vibes to him, able to make game-changing plays but also the kind of player who draws a lot of attention from referees. Stevens and Johnson could vie for roster spots. They also netted a lot of 2022 draft ammo with the trades with the Colts and Dolphins. For a team supposedly wallowing in dysfunction, the Eagles appeared to make the most of this class.
Grade: B+
Draft Kings
Philadelphia Eagles
Final draft grade: B+
The Philadelphia Eagles surprisingly made the smart pick in the first round and did not reach with the selection of DeVonta Smith. The reigning Heisman Trophy addressed an immediate need for Philadelphia and gives an explosive playmaker for Jalen Hurts.
After that, the Eagles made the trenches a priority on Day 2, which many fans were not happy with because they have holes at linebacker and cornerback. But in Round 2, they took offensive lineman Landon Dickerson and in Round 3 took Milton Williams.
On Day 3, they finally grabbed a cornerback in Zech McPherson, who was ranked the fourth-best boundary cornerback by Football Gameplan's Emory Hunt. In the fifth round, they added running back Kenneth Gainwell, who could be Nyheim Hines in Nick Sirianni's offense. For their last few picks, they drafted DT Marlon Tuipulotu, EDGE Tarron Jackson, SAF JaCoby Stevens, and EDGE Patrick Johnson.
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Philadelphia Eagles: B+
The Eagles traded up two spots in the first round for WR DeVonta Smith. The addition of the Heisman Trophy winner provides second-year QB Jalen Hurts with a dynamic playmaker at receiver. Getting another Alabama product in the second round, C/G Landon Dickerson, fortified the interior of the offensive line.
sd tribune
Philadelphia
Grade: A-
Notable undrafted free agents: Georgia QB Jamie Newman, Florida WR Trevon Grimes.
The lowdown: If Dickerson stays healthy and Newman challenges Jalen Hurts than GM Howie Roseman will look back on this draft class fondly.
houston chronicle
Eagles
WR DeVonta Smith, the Heisman Trophy winner, is instant offense for QB Jalen Hurts, and he'll make defenses miserable. C Landon Dickerson can play guard and should be an immediate starter. DT Milton Williams could contribute as a rookie. CB Zech McPhearson is playing a need position and could earn a lot of playing time. Grade: C
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ROUND 1
No. 10: DeVonta Smith, WR, Alabama
Andy Staples: What the Eagles are getting in DeVonta Smith
Dane Brugler's analysis: Three wide receivers have been drafted and all three have been reunited with their former college quarterbacks. Smith might be an outlier from a size perspective, but his gliding speed, ball skills and competitive mentality are a unique blend. Jalen Hurts has an audition season in 2021 to prove he is the franchise quarterback and Smith will only help him compete for the long-term job.
Sheil Kapadia's grade: The reigning Heisman Trophy winner was unguardable last year, with 117 catches for 1,856 yards and 23 touchdowns. Is his 166-pound frame a concern? Sure. But Smith has shown a knack for knowing how to protect himself, and he had no durability issues (54 games in four seasons) in college going up against SEC competition. Smith's instincts are off the charts, and coaches will love his smarts and competitiveness.
The Eagles have talked about drafting for volume. But they clearly felt like they had to get ahead of the Giants to land Smith. To do so, they had to give up a third-rounder (No. 84). This was a reasonable move for a player with an impressive track record and a high ceiling. Grade: B
ROUND 2
No. 37: Landon Dickerson, C/G, Alabama
Andy Staples: What the Eagles are getting in Landon Dickerson
Dane Brugler's analysis: Based on talent and character, Dickerson was an easy first-round pick, but he slipped a little due to the medical red flags. His power, movements and intelligence are all above average and he is the only player in this draft with at least one start at each of the five offensive line spots. He will be a steal if he stays on the field.
Sheil Kapadia's grade: The question with Dickerson is not talent, but durability. He suffered a season-ending injury three times in college. Having said that, Dickerson still managed to start 37 games, and according to Pro Football Focus, he allowed just one sack during his entire college career. Dickerson started games at all five offensive line positions.
As far as process, though, this one is a head-scratcher. The Eagles have needs up and down their roster. The one area where they've been able to do more with less is on the offensive line. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to spend such a high pick on an interior offensive lineman with durability issues. Grade: C-
ROUND 3
No. 73: Milton Williams, DL, Louisiana Tech
Dane Brugler's analysis: The 70th-ranked player on my board, Williams was a good value pick here for the Eagles. He tested off the charts and that athleticism allowed him to be disruptive on film, collecting 19.0 tackles for loss over the last two seasons. He is short-armed player but should give the Eagles inside-outside versatility.
Sheil Kapadia's grade: Williams (6-foot-3, 284) is an underrated prospect. He produced 10 sacks and 19 tackles for loss over the last two seasons. Williams offers the ability to provide interior pass rush, and he tested well athletically. The Eagles need depth at defensive tackle, and Williams offers upside. Grade: B+
ROUND 4
No. 123: Zech McPhearson, CB, Texas Tech
Zach Berman's analysis: McPhearson, 23, is 5-foot-11 and 196 pounds. He was first-team All-Big 12 last season with 4 INTs and 10 passes defended. The Maryland native played the first three years of his career at Penn State. He'll have a chance to compete for early playing time in a defense that needs help at CB. The Eagles return Darius Slay and Avonte Maddox, but they have little proven talent behind those two.
Dane Brugler's analysis: McPhearson displays the movement skills to mirror and stay on top of routes with the competitiveness to challenge passing windows. He does a nice job balancing his eyes between backfield and receiver, although he needs to improve his anticipation and response time to route tells. Overall, McPhearson has an intriguing mix of fluidity, toughness and cover skills and with improved play recognition, he should compete for NFL starting reps, fitting both man and zone teams with inside/outside ability.
ROUND 5
No. 150: Kenneth Gainwell, RB, Memphis
Zach Berman's analysis: Gainwell was Dane Brugler's No. 4 RB in the entire draft. He rushed for 1,459 yards and 13 TDs and caught 51 passes for 610 yards in 2019 before opting out last season. Gainwell, 22, is 5-8 and 201 pounds and ran a 4.44-second 40-yard dash. The Eagles have Miles Sanders entrenched as the. No. 1 running back, but Gainwell could earn playing time ahead of Boston Scott as the No. 2.
Dane Brugler's analysis: With his vision and cutting skills, Gainwell feels developing blocks, especially outside, which allow him to hit the crease and use his shiftiness at the second and third levels. He proved himself as a productive pass catcher in college, but his blocking leaves a lot to be desired. Overall, Gainwell lacks ideal size and body power which leads to durability and usage concerns, but he is a versatile rushing/receiving threat with instinctive playmaking skills and projects as a scheme-versatile offensive weapon.
ROUND 6
No. 189: Marlon Tuipulotu, DT, USC
Zach Berman's analysis: Tuipulotu, 21, was first-team All-Pac 12 last season. He's 6-foot-2 and 307 pounds and is the second defensive tackle the Eagles drafted. This could prove to be a value pick: Dane Brugler had Tuipulotu ranked as the No. 3 DT in the draft and the No. 69 overall player with a grade in the second/third round.
Dane Brugler's analysis: Tuipulotu flashes power in his hands to shock and knock back blockers, separating and locating the football in the run game. He doesn't have a ton of backfield production versus the pass, but he accelerates into blockers and gives them all they can handle. Overall, Tuipulotu lacks elite pass-rushing tools, but he is strong, stout and active to be a dominant run defender. He projects as an NFL starter who can play in one- or two-gap schemes.
No. 191: Tarron Jackson, DE, Coastal Carolina
Zach Berman's analysis: Jackson, 22, is 6-foot-2 and 254 pounds. He was a consensus All-American last season with 8.5 sacks and had 18.5 sacks during the past two seasons. The Eagles are top heavy at defensive end with Brandon Graham, Derek Barnett and Josh Sweat, but there are long-term questions at the position.
Dane Brugler's analysis: With his upfield energy, Jackson is quick to soften the edge with his heavy hands and cross into the neutral zone. While he is gap sound and holds up at the point, he has a tweener body type and needs to improve his anchor strength and shed skills. Overall, Jackson's gaudy college production might not translate, but he is a spark-plug rusher with the snap quickness and pop in his hands to line up inside or outside. He projects as a base end who can reduce on passing downs.
No. 224: JaCoby Stevens, S, LSU
Zach Berman's analysis: The Eagles drafted LSU safety JaCoby Stevens in the sixth round at No. 224, although the team is calling Stevens a linebacker. Stevens, 22, started the past two years (and parts of 2018) for LSU and led the Tigers in tackles last season. He's 6-foot-1, 212 pounds with a 4.58-second 40-yard dash. Stevens was considered a box safety who could help on special teams, so a move to LB could make sense. The Eagles had not yet drafted a linebacker.
Dane Brugler's analysis: Stevens runs the alley with conviction and loves to thump, although he needs to improve his downhill discipline and eliminate the missed plays. He has adequate ball skills in coverage, but the deeper he plays, the more ineffective he becomes. Overall, Stevens is a linebacker in the body of a safety and often the toughest player on the field, but he is a complicated study because of his tweener skills and uneven play. He projects as a box player and special-teamer.
ROUND 7
No. 234: Patrick Johnson, DE/LB, Tulane
Zach Berman's analysis: Johnson, 22, was an edge rusher in college who had 10 sacks last season and 10.5 sacks in 2018. He's 6-foot-2 and 240 pounds and was viewed as a likely 3-4 outside linebacker. It remains to be seen how the Eagles will use him, but it looks like they'll play him as an off-ball linebacker.
Dane Brugler's analysis: Despite average physical traits, Johnson is relentless in pursuit and has a knack for finding the quickest route from A to B (was one of only four FBS player to reach double-digit sacks in 2020). He faces a large jump in competition at the NFL level and needs to continue adding to his bag of tricks to cover up his shortcomings. Overall, Johnson lacks overwhelming size/strength and doesn't consistently play up to his testing numbers, but he is disciplined, physical and will be a tough player to cut once he's in a camp. He projects as a backup edge rusher in a 3-4 scheme.
The Ringer: B+
What they said: The Eagles sent Dallas a third-round pick to move up two spots in the first round and select Smith, but that seems worth it: They come away with a big-time playmaker and the no. 1 receiver for their offense. Philly doubled down on Alabama players by nabbing Dickerson, who should bolster the interior of their line right away. I'm intrigued by Gainwell, as the fifth-round pick could complement Miles Sanders and become a pass-catching threat in space. And on defense, the Eagles did well by nabbing Williams and Tuipulotu. The former has the tools to emerge as a subpackage rusher early in his career.
Pro Football Network: B+
What they said: As a team, the Philadelphia Eagles did a solid job putting pieces around Jalen Hurts. They traded up to secure their No. 1 receiver, before taking a risk on Landon Dickerson. The Eagles added upside options to their defense, but there are still concerns.
NBC Sports Edge: B
What they said: The Eagles' punking Gettleman in Round 1 was high comedy. It had to feel especially sweet for Philly to get the last top-tier receiver before a big drop talent drop to Tier 2 while punking Gettleman and leaving his hated Giants out in the cold, only to panic-reach on the limited utility of Kadarius Toney. A strong Day 2 followed, with good value found on both Dickerson and Williams. The Williams pick produced the most hilarious moment of draft weekend, when Howie Roseman's run around the room for congratulatory fist-bumps hit a snag when he offered knuckles to senior scout Tom Donahue, staring off into space in the corner of the room by himself -- as it turns out, seething in rage away from his colleagues who clearly disagreed with whatever alternate approach to the Williams pick he'd proposed. Donahue exchanged terse words to a visibly confused Roseman (who must have known darn well why Donahue was ticked). Incredibly, the exchange was caught during a live ESPN look into the Eagles war room. Don't tell Donahue, but I'm with Roseman on the Williams pick. Either way, Philly picked up the pieces and made a pair of nice mid-Day 3 picks in Kenneth Gainwell and Marlon Tuipulotu. Strong draft that has the potential to become epic due to Smith's Marvin Harrison ceiling and whether Donahue's moment scolding Roseman like a child who came back late after curfew gets GIF treatment and becomes iconic ala Laremy Tunsil's BongGate.
The Draft Network: B-
What they said: The lack of attention to cornerbacks and linebackers gets the "-" here, but the talent this team did add is impressive, especially considering the pure skill sets of Landon Dickerson, Milton Williams, Kenneth Gainwell, and Marlon Tuipulotu.
Fansided: C
What they said: Thursday night in Round 1, Howie Roseman showed why he is one of the more adept NFL Draft wheelers and dealers in the league, but then the Eagles' draft went careening off the tracks.
To be able to jump the division rival NY Giants, and take Alabama wide receiver Devonta Smith, who multiple sources tell FanSided was the top player on general manager Dave Gettleman's board, and not surrender a future first-round pick to do so is a major victory. Smith is an electrifying downfield threat, and a major step towards building around second-year quarterback Jalen Hurts, while maintaining the flexibility to trade up and take a quarterback with one of the top-selections in 2022.
However, even though Landon Dickerson hasn't allowed a sack since 2017, the former Alabama guard/center is a major injury risk after two ACL tears. At best, Dickerson is a long-term replacement for Jason Kelce and an immediate starter at one of the offensive guard spots, at worst, he is an injury-risk and reach. It also feels like a significant reach to select Milton Williams, a defensive tackle along an already stout defensive front, especially when video of what appears to be front office division over the selection was broadcast to the world.
The Eagles needed to hit a home run in this class, and seem to have come out managing only a double.
your draft grade summary post: A
everything in one place, nice job breaking each report apart without getting silly about line breaks, etc, fine use of italicized bold, and extra credit for capitalization...I didn't know your keyboard had a shift key..though I suspect any capitalization was copypasted in, not added by your hand....
Would be an A+ but for the edits...I always consider myself a failure if I'm forced to edit a post after the window of time allowed to avoid the tag
the edit was me forgetting to I and B one of the reviews but i 100% agree with being a total failure if you have to edit...however the edit was the lesser of the two evils in this case...it would have drove me bonkers to know one of the headers was not I and B
These grades are used to drive clicks the day after the draft and are never mentioned again. Think these outlets should at minimum be required to disclose what grade they gave JJAW a couple years ago so we can put their analysis in proper context.
its not breaking news to say that not every mock draft or draft grade is accurate....ive still never not clicked on one
Smith is a pick we're going to look back on and say that was one of the best picks this team ever made.
Or worst.
But definitely one of those two.
Dane Brugler just dropped his full league draft grades and has the birds at #1
howie jerking off to that...nobody smells themselves quite like our little dude