WTF?!
Just announced.
Chip praises him a couple days ago and now they send him packing.
lol this is sickening...a total power play on Howie's part. He's intimidated by someone with an actual scouting and football pedigree.
Somehow this farging weasel has gotten Lurie to throw Banner out the door and now Gamble.
Bass ackwards organization
Why bring him in to fire him a year later. Howie is worse than Banner.
QuoteZach Berman @ZBerm 37s37 seconds ago
Chip Kelly on Monday: "I think Tom does an outstanding job. ...He's a heck of a football guy."...Kelly's name is not on today's news release
Howie is ridiculous. Lurie too, for signing off on it.
lol - toss the football guy out the door so the lil farging nerd can have more say.
Not only that but toss a football guy, who is connected with the head coach, out the door!
Why have harmony in the ranks? Shake it up and get people all pissed off.
farging clueless little shtein
PFT so consider the source...don't doubt it
QuoteThere have also been multiple reports that indicate that Gamble was close to head coach Chip Kelly but less than close to General Manager Howie Roseman.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/31/eagles-fire-v-p-of-player-personnel-tom-gamble/
Here it comes
Quote@Jeff_McLane: The #Eagles' balance of power over player acquisition shifts back to Howie Roseman. Chip Kelly was given last offseason and team regressed.
PR machine be givin howie sum cred
That's exactly what it is - that weasely farg goes in and whispers in Lurie's ear and talks him into blasting Joe Banner outta there and now Gamble. Poor wittle Howie's feelings are hurt because he's not a "salt of the earth football guy" like Gamble.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
One less whitey on the payroll!
Like I said before, shtein head owner.
Judar be Judar.
as much as i dont like howie id much rather have him choosing players than chip.....and chip deserves to lose power after the last year
this is also the beginning of the end of chip Kelly as eagle head coach
Chip will be coaching at Oregon State or Stanford in 2 years.
I wonder if this means Gamble was behind Marcus Smith. It seems like whoever was responsible for that pick would have pretty bad odds of winning the power struggle.
and Mr. Lurie, farg you. So sick of this clown. Go produce another documentary.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 31, 2014, 02:55:48 PM
That's exactly what it is - that weasely farg goes in and whispers in Lurie's ear and talks him into blasting Joe Banner outta there and now Gamble. Poor wittle Howie's feelings are hurt because he's not a "salt of the earth football guy" like Gamble.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I commend Howie on getting Banner ousted.
yeah thats by far the best thing howie has done in his eagle tenure
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 31, 2014, 03:49:26 PM
as much as i dont like howie id much rather have him choosing players than chip.....and chip deserves to lose power after the last year
this is also the beginning of the end of chip Kelly as eagle head coach
Howie will at least listen to his scouts...no way chip takes them serious.
Still if one had to go I'd keep chip. You can find an average gm anywhere...you can't find a top offensive mind. I doubt chips around after next season.
I really like chip as a head coach....but players win....ideal situation would be chip staying and just being a head coach...Howie getting fired lurie hiring a new GM....hopefully youd end up with a mike holmgren ron wolf type scenario
if chip insists on only taking his type players then id rather have howie and a new coach
this is going to be interesting
howie is detestable, but his 2012 draft was far superior to what chip did in 2013. the question becomes will chip be OK with coaching the players howie picks for him?
the answer is no.
thats why chip was really built for college....you can choose your own players and culture and "programs" really work there...not so much at the professional level
yup
we'll see if he can adapt.....sometimes he can be very liberal and welcome new ideas and philosophies, even mid-game. in other times he's stubborn and smug and acts like he's got all the answers even though he cut desean jackson for riley cooper.
so we'll see. im not expecting much. though part of me knows this -- chip is a football nerd of extreme proportions. there's no higher level and no better place to test your skills than the nfl. he knows that. he doesnt want to leave that. but could he be like harbaugh? does he need control over everything else.
Quotemortreport
Chip Kelly has final say on personnel MT @hiesenbergBlue: we need to know truth about whos in charge of picking players?
It's nice to have all this wisdom in one place.
To me this more of a power trip then about bad player moves. Roseman got Lurie to level the playing field.
Whatever. Somebody just please produce a farging championship.
Mort has the same agent as Chip Kelly. It's why he was able to be the first to break the story on Chip Kelly's hiring.
This makes me wonder if the report that "Gamble was fired, not a mutual parting of ways" was passed through the grapevine from Chip as a way to throw Roseman under the bus.
Just when this organization was starting to look up, too. Why must everything about success be so farging difficult?
Birds, Bums, Sixers FO. I believe that we will win!
This team is the same shtein every year. Andy Reid or Chip Kelly, pimp or no pimp, Westbrook or Shady, Kevin Kolb or Mark Sanchez, Asomugha or Fletcher, Banner or Howie, whatever. We know what we're rooting for here. People can speculate all year long about this move but bottom line, a VP of player personnel was probably not the difference between winning a Super Bowl or not. For all we know he was shteincanned for grabbing a secretary's ass. More likely, Lurie knows what personnel moves Gamble was a part of, and those moves sucked. Maybe Howie is Lurie's boy, but I don't see Lurie intentionally making his team worse just to stroke off Roseman.
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 31, 2014, 08:33:10 PM
This team is the same shtein every year. Andy Reid or Chip Kelly, pimp or no pimp, Westbrook or Shady, Kevin Kolb or Mark Sanchez, Asomugha or Fletcher, Banner or Howie, whatever. We know what we're rooting for here. People can speculate all year long about this move but bottom line, a VP of player personnel was probably not the difference between winning a Super Bowl or not. For all we know he was shteincanned for grabbing a secretary's ass. More likely, Lurie knows what personnel moves Gamble was a part of, and those moves sucked. Maybe Howie is Lurie's boy, but I don't see Lurie intentionally making his team worse just to stroke off Roseman.
He intentionally made this team worse by stroking off Banner.
Old man Les Bowen says that they escorted him off the property yesterday
http://mobile.philly.com/sports/eagles/?wss=/philly/sports/eagles&id=287263371
McLane says that the Jets wanted Howie...
Somebody was gonna take a fall in the collapse. No AR "long leash" ever again it seems. Good. Gamble just collateral damage and CK had to swallow it. Welcome to the big's. Skins game was indefensible.
Hopefully he doesn't pout beyond random PA comments but if it goes badly the 4 years wasted feared at time of hiring comes to pass. Then as Howie flails add interregnum years of Campbells, Kotites and Rhodes . Owner sells, rinse and repeat.
This oughta end any Kelly Mariota fapping. No way Howie pushes all the chips in, and CK just lost the vig to do it would seem. Perhaps Gambles head on a pike was as much preemptive as retributive. Expect a vanilla draft and resignings - might medium shell-out in FA if just to put on appearances.
Wild card might has Kelly quitting on Friday...Crazy yeah, but nothing surprises me with this club anymore. And frankly if hes gonna be all pissy, then go now. Probably could get hired wherever the Heisman goes...
Oh yeah, happy farging new year to all :CF'ers
five weeks ago the eagles were 9-3, about to play seattle, and ostensibly a super bowl contender
and now....
They were never a super bowl contender, but they were a sure-thing playoff team.
news may travel slow from new zealand, where you are, but tommy from mayfair and jamal from overbrook were thinking BIG after that thanksgiving win
it was most definitely on
Team always had weird pivotal shtein prior to declines...82 strike season, fogbowl, JB in a corvette, "for who for what", TO in a driveway, check-outs at Lehigh camp nod-away.
If Gamble was a teachable moment, hope CK puts the sophomore lesson behind him. Then again, meh - maybe all a tempest in a teapot...
you would imagine chip either adjusts or is gone in the next couple of weeks....anything in between is really bad for the franchise
LOL
This franchise is really bad for the franchise. They just can't get out of their own farging way. Ever.
with gamble gone the three guys at the top of the teams amateur player personnel totem pole now are:
howie roseman
chip kelly
anthony patch
thats scary
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rut roh
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WHITE
ya think....
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Jews aren't white.
true
jews are basically black
Asian. Jews are basically Asian.
Quote from: MDS on January 01, 2015, 02:48:35 PM
jews are basically black
the ovens will be the closest they ever get
He looks like head of security at the local mall.
Do people kiss his hand when introduced to him?
Does he wear an eagles themed diamond encrusted crown around the NovaCare?
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 01, 2015, 04:13:16 PM
Quote from: MDS on January 01, 2015, 02:48:35 PM
jews are basically black
the ovens will be the closest they ever get
holocaust jokes are our n-word...only we can do it
heads up
And the whites n word is....?
why do you get to constantly remember the holocaust but blacks need to let slavery go
it cant be because you are both black
who do you think is less liked in america and the world -- jews or blacks?
i was having this discussion earlier, and i think it might be jews. think about asia...they dont even think about blacks, but they hate the jews. there's like 3 billion people there. but asian americans? they definitely hate blacks more.
in america id say blacks...but they are behind muslims.
Know who I hate? Howie
http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/eagles-front-office-discord-howie-roseman-tom-gamble-creates-concern-about-chip-kellys-future
"Howie is a messiah and can do now wrong" in Lurie's eyes
Quote from: MDS on January 01, 2015, 07:21:14 PM
who do you think is less liked in america and the world -- jews or blacks?
i was having this discussion earlier, and i think it might be jews. think about asia...they dont even think about blacks, but they hate the jews. there's like 3 billion people there. but asian americans? they definitely hate blacks more.
in america id say blacks...but they are behind muslims.
jews arent even less liked but even if you think they are at least they are looked at as human beings
jews have the untenable weight of being rich and not trusted....blacks have to put up with being subhuman and go to jail
that quote was from gamble
Gamble or one of the other numerous people Howie The Boss has whacked
lurie cant really be putting the future of his franchise in howie rosemans hands can he?
he just did
to me next year is it for chip....either he ousts howie or he bails.
He can...and is
Buckle up.
Chip will leave out and Howie will hire someone he can control
Hold me.
chip has to be gone in the next week if things arent changed
or
they meet and resolve all this nonsense
but you cant have chip coach under these circumstances
These problems come down to Lurie. You trust your accounting firm with a guy like Howie...not a football team. Nobody respects him...he's too nerdy. They need a football guy with a football persona that football people like chip can respect. You don't even have to had played in the nfl...but look the part be the part motherfarger
Quote from: SD on January 01, 2015, 08:03:25 PM
You don't even have to had played in the nfl...but look the part be the part motherfarger
exactly...altho howie never played any football at all appearance is still 9/10th's of the law
ive always been a huge lurie supporter....but this is the first time ive ever questioned him as an owner
Makes you a "Lurielapper" by definition. I've questioned his decisions since stadium design.
stadium is really good....getting in is another issue
lurie isnt perfect and im not saying ive never questioned him but id take him over 90% of the owners in the nfl
but this Howie shtein is on another level....one of my problems with him was allowing andy to stay so long but at least andy had a track record....what the farg has Howie ever done
Windmills
Vegan food
Letting Howie run rampant
What's next? Electric car charging stations outside the Linc?!
you def need to move out of texas
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 01, 2015, 09:35:06 PM
Windmills
Vegan food
Letting Howie run rampant
What's next? Electric car charging stations outside the Linc?!
The recycling "Go Green" campaign is an embarrassment. You want to pretend save the Earth do it in another city or join green peace
lol...hook me up with a job in your office. We can be neighbors!
Quote from: SD on January 01, 2015, 09:51:32 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 01, 2015, 09:35:06 PM
Windmills
Vegan food
Letting Howie run rampant
What's next? Electric car charging stations outside the Linc?!
The recycling "Go Green" campaign is an embarrassment. You want to pretend save the Earth do it in another city
i dont think middle america could support another pro franchise
https://twitter.com/boopstats/status/550895637601189889
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2015, 01:06:43 AM
https://twitter.com/boopstats/status/550895637601189889
Uncalled for. That's going to drive a stake further. An egomaniac like Chip can't handle that
eugene mass media wasnt mass
I was reading a couple months ago that chip despised having to go on the angelo show every week....it kinda surprised me because hes really good on the show but apparently he didn't realize that part of being an nfl head coach....in college he could do the shows he wanted to do when he wanted to do them....but in big business there are obligations and chip don't like rules that aren't his own
He can handle the media from what I've seen. No coach can handle the city's major newspaper saying there's a power struggle between the head football coach and an accountant GM and the head football coach is losing. It's unprofessional to do so and does nothing but deteriorate an already fragile relationship.
Again, this is where Lurie should step in and smooth it over. He lets stuff like this go all the time and it becomes a ticking time bomb.
that ship has sailed....no newspaper cover is going to change anything...lurie created it when he gave roseman the crown...no football guy especially a guy like chip whose entire life is 24/7 football and who worships the game is going to take orders from farging howie roseman
the conundrum for me is that I actually trust howie more with player personnel than I do chip....I don't think any coach should also be a gm but especially not a coach like chip who is 1000% an x and o guy...you cant be as obsessively detailed as chip is about everything and also have time to properly evaluate college players....plus I just don't like chips philosophy when it comes to what kinds of players he likes
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2015, 10:20:38 AM
that ship has sailed....no newspaper cover is going to change anything...lurie created it when he gave roseman the crown...no football guy especially a guy like chip whose entire life is 24/7 football and who worships the game is going to take orders from farging howie roseman
the conundrum for me is that I actually trust howie more with player personnel than I do chip....I don't think any coach should also be a gm but especially not a coach like chip who is 1000% an x and o guy...you cant be as obsessively detailed as chip is about everything and also have time to properly evaluate college players....plus I just don't like chips philosophy when it comes to what kinds of players he likes
Again this is on Lurie. When you're billionaire owner Jeff Lurie and you decide to bring a no nonsense football coach in to go with your nerdy accountant you better make sure you keep tabs on their relationship. Lurie is too much of a liberal nice guy and lets shtein go. Being an owner isn't all about letting others run the show, first and foremost you have to take ultimate responsbility and man up when you see problems. This isn't the first time something like this has happened.
And yeah I'd rather have Roseman pick players too. He is smart enough to know he doesn't know much about football and will actually listen to his scouting department. Chip isn't giving them a second thought. He's still in a college mindset where he's picking kids to fit his system. Doesn't work that way in the NFL where systems are only as good as the players.
keep in mind the 3 of them are still in hiding...especially lurie
they are letting the media create a story and definitely the narrative. thats never a good thing. lurie should've sat for a presser 2 days ago and smoothed this thing over. his org. looks ridiculous and he's doing nothing to stop it.
this chip/howie feud is easy newspaper/talk radio fodder and will hang over every single thing related to them team until they talk about it, and even then, it probably wont stop because their answers are going to be bullshtein. its going to be like the desean thing, but worse....pimp got cut in march and chip got asked about it in december.
lurie already spoke on it...this was an issue before gamble was fired...the whole thing started when lurie went in front of the media to give his end of year assessment on the team and said two things:
1. that there was in fact a chip howie rift
2. that howie was going nowhere
the bigger the lie, the more they believe
http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/jeffrey-luries-power-structure-created-toxic-environment-eagles-front-office
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2015, 12:26:13 PM
http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/jeffrey-luries-power-structure-created-toxic-environment-eagles-front-office
This offseason is going to be quite the clusterfarg, isn't it...
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2015, 12:26:13 PM
http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/jeffrey-luries-power-structure-created-toxic-environment-eagles-front-office
Been saying this for years, especially after the seasons over and crap like this happens.
Quote from: SD on January 02, 2015, 11:22:01 AM
Again this is on Lurie. When you're billionaire owner Jeff Lurie and you decide to bring a no nonsense football coach in to go with your nerdy accountant you better make sure you keep tabs on their relationship. Lurie is too much of a liberal nice guy and lets shtein go. Being an owner isn't all about letting others run the show, first and foremost you have to take ultimate responsbility and man up when you see problems. This isn't the first time something like this has happened.
Lurie isn't a good owner. He's average at best. It's great he signs checks, and stays out of the football operations, it's not good that he leaves it in the hands of the wrong people. If you're going to own a team then OWN the farging team. Don't sit back and not address turmoil. You don't need to be Jerry Jones but you do need to run your shtein. The Eagles are too concerned with being a responsible business model and less concerned with winning a championship.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on January 02, 2015, 12:40:26 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2015, 12:26:13 PM
http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/jeffrey-luries-power-structure-created-toxic-environment-eagles-front-office
This offseason is going to be quite the clusterfarg, isn't it...
i hope im wrong but i think we hear at any time that chip kelly and the eagles have agreed to part ways
Quote from: SD on January 02, 2015, 12:47:59 PM
Lurie isn't a good owner. He's average at best.
i know hes a liberal and you hate that but hes definitely above average...he certainly is not perfect and im the first to criticize him when it warrants but id easily take him over more than half the other owners in the nfl....he definitely needs to step up and get a hold of this situation tho.....stat
the worst thing about lurie by far is that hes from boston
I could care less how liberal he is, Bill Clinton is one of my idols. But 20 years and zero championships speaks volumes. He stayed with Reid forever...why? Because he was too afraid to shake things up and hurt anyones feelings. He's rich and I'm sure he wants a championship but his hunger should be like the fans who would sell their souls for one before they die.
I agree with you about Chip and picking players, but they're not going to get a coach as good as him. He might be the top offensive football mind in the world. Howie had such a hard on for Chip that he agreed to do whatever he wanted to get him here then changed his mind once he saw he didn't know how to pick NFL players.
I haven't been to the stadium but anything that's helps the envirempnment and reduces cost, I'm in. It's just not a sexy thing to see. But the mindset is in the right place. They just need to make the rest of the place feel like the Roman coliseum.
My whole beef with Luire is exactly what SD says...own the team, act like you care.
stadium is kinda like lurie...better than most but not overwhelmingly great...but really how great can a football stadium be
Quote from: SD on January 02, 2015, 01:35:24 PM
I could care less how liberal he is, Bill Clinton is one of my idols. But 20 years and zero championships speaks volumes. He stayed with Reid forever...why? Because he was too afraid to shake things up and hurt anyones feelings. He's rich and I'm sure he wants a championship but his hunger should be like the fans who would sell their souls for one before they die.
I agree with you about Chip and picking players, but they're not going to get a coach as good as him. He might be the top offensive football mind in the world. Howie had such a hard on for Chip that he agreed to do whatever he wanted to get him here then changed his mind once he saw he didn't know how to pick NFL players.
Well he stuck with Andy too long in fear of shaking it up....and then has been signing off on firings since then
QuoteProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk 2m2 minutes ago
Plugged-in league source senses there could be "something big" going on in Philly in the aftermath of Tom Gamble's departure.
florio is a shtein-stirrer...keep that in mind
but if chip bailed would it really shock anyone? even without that flame thrower's tweet?
Jeez...if Chip bolts I may be inconsolable.
Quote from: MDS on January 02, 2015, 02:21:21 PM
but if chip bailed would it really shock anyone? even without that flame thrower's tweet?
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2015, 12:51:30 PM
i hope im wrong but i think we hear at any time that chip kelly and the eagles have agreed to part ways
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2015, 01:54:06 PM
stadium is kinda like lurie...better than most but not overwhelmingly great...but really how great can a football stadium be
See Lambaugh field and whatever corporate field the Seahawks play in.
I think if you design it right and maximize acoustics, and capacity in the sense where they are as close as possible to the field, it won't only sound intimidating, but feel intimidating as well. Even mile high seemed to have that feel to it...or was it just because we were getting our asses handed to us by 40+?
Anyway, I can only say so much because I've never sat at the Linc, but it just looks so generic in design like Cincy/Nashville/Cleveland. If it were to be blown up tomorrow, I doubt anyone would miss it.
a good part of me thinks chip would ultimately win a power struggle with howie....despite what happened with gamble. he's just tom gamble.
windmill jeff talks to people around the league, others owners, execs. everyone is on chip's dick. his kids have to be, too. everyone has been telling, and is telling, jeff that chip is special. nobody says that about howie.
The Linc is a cookie cutter stadium. Has no personality. I don't mind it but it's nothing special. I find the responsible business model they try to push down your throat as the biggest drawback. I'm there to watch football not to get slammed with advertisements and go green campaigns.
Quote from: MDS on January 02, 2015, 02:21:21 PM
florio is a shtein-stirrer...keep that in mind
but if chip bailed would it really shock anyone? even without that flame thrower's tweet?
QuoteReuben Frank @RoobCSN 4m4 minutes ago Philadelphia, PA
Yeah, I think we all feel like there is much more to come. RT @thee_rad @RoobCSN ???
Quote from: MDS on January 02, 2015, 02:28:17 PM
a good part of me thinks chip would ultimately win a power struggle with howie....despite what happened with gamble. he's just tom gamble.
windmill jeff talks to people around the league, others owners, execs. everyone is on chip's dick. his kids have to be, too. everyone has been telling, and is telling, jeff that chip is special. nobody says that about howie.
Lurie went from Banner to Howie and it's been the same result. Does he learn after this is the question.
Quote from: MDS on January 02, 2015, 02:28:17 PM
a good part of me thinks chip would ultimately win a power struggle with howie....despite what happened with gamble. he's just tom gamble.
windmill jeff talks to people around the league, others owners, execs. everyone is on chip's dick. his kids have to be, too. everyone has been telling, and is telling, jeff that chip is special. nobody says that about howie.
howie ethered banner...he certainly can take out chip whose been around for about two minutes
Quote from: hbionic on January 02, 2015, 02:25:15 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2015, 01:54:06 PM
stadium is kinda like lurie...better than most but not overwhelmingly great...but really how great can a football stadium be
See Lambaugh field and whatever corporate field the Seahawks play in.
I think if you design it right and maximize acoustics, and capacity in the sense where they are as close as possible to the field, it won't only sound intimidating, but feel intimidating as well. Even mile high seemed to have that feel to it...or was it just because we were getting our asses handed to us by 40+?
Anyway, I can only say so much because I've never sat at the Linc, but it just looks so generic in design like Cincy/Nashville/Cleveland. If it were to be blown up tomorrow, I doubt anyone would miss it.
I personally think seattles stadium is hideous and lambeau is a dump....the history there is undeniable but lambeau is like fenway....cool because they have been around forever but when you are there its awful...id take the linc over either of those....id like to have seattles crowd tho
how hard is pimp gonna laugh his ass off if/when chip gets shtein canned
i've seen enough of this reaction to call this a thing:
there is a portion of the fan base that thinks this story is 10000% media created. even the ultimate homer -- houston -- isn't downplaying this.
If Chip goes and Howie stays there's no better coach out there to get
If Howie goes and Chip stays then we're stuck with zesty player personnel moves
Bad situation
Just when you think they can't top last years Desean fiasco...they do it
I wouldn't hate Roseman so much if I can credit him for making a concrete move that helped the eagles...but he's been part of the failure, which is why I don't know why he's still here. Now he might cost us the smoothie king of the league? farg.
Does this mean the plan to go to Kelly Green is aborted?
Quote from: SD on January 02, 2015, 02:48:29 PM
If Chip goes and Howie stays there's no better coach out there to get
If Howie goes and Chip stays then we're stuck with zesty player personnel moves
Bad situation
Just when you think they can't top last years Desean fiasco...they do it
fire howie
keep chip
hire a real football man as GM with PP control
wake up from dream
Quote from: hbionic on January 02, 2015, 02:50:03 PM
Does this mean the plan to go to Kelly Green is aborted?
Another reason Lurie blows as an owner. You don't go to many games, but the amount of Kelly Green and old school Eagles gear you see now is about 60 midnight 40 Kelly. I don't know one fan who prefers the midnight/new logo yet he sticks with his brand.
eagles have inquired about switching to kelly green but have faced resistence from the league and would have to jump thru ridiculous hoops to get it done
if chip is gone then howie should try and trade him to the 49ers or bills for their #1
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/1/2/7481711/jeffrey-lurie-eagles-power-structure-toxic-enviroment-report
Quote from: MDS on January 02, 2015, 02:42:18 PM
i've seen enough of this reaction to call this a thing:
there is a portion of the fan base that thinks this story is 10000% media created. even the ultimate homer -- houston -- isn't downplaying this.
I think there is some sensationalism going on and its based on speculation.
But usually when there's smoke - there's fire...so I believe the "toxic" reports.
Lurie could squash all this but he's sitting on his farging throne doing nothing and letting it fester. When he does comment he'll drop the "I didn't feel it was necessary to comment on baseless rumors" or some shtein like that.
Way to farg up, Lurie.
letting it fester?....whatever is happening is happening RIGHT NOW
you want hourly updates from the owner on the status of the relationship between his coach and his GM?
this is all very troubling
So you think he shouldn't be making a statement or having a PC or at the very least going on the record with something?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2015, 03:11:12 PM
So you think he shouldn't be making a statement or having a PC or at the very least going on the record with something?
when its settled he should....but again hes dealing with it as we type
Is he?
I have a feeling he isn't doing shtein.
QuoteDarren DeGaetano @DarrenDegaetano 33m33 minutes ago
I have been told #Eagles head coach Chip Kelly has expressed interest in getting out of his contract.
Some clown who works for WIP....but damn...really?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2015, 03:14:39 PM
Is he?
I have a feeling he isn't doing shtein.
yeah im sure hes at the movies or something
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2015, 03:15:51 PM
QuoteDarren DeGaetano @DarrenDegaetano 33m33 minutes ago
I have been told #Eagles head coach Chip Kelly has expressed interest in getting out of his contract.
Some clown who works for WIP....but damn...really?
you are surprised by this?
im telling you they need to trade him for a first rounder
How about this?
How about the owner doesn't allow this situation? How about the owner doesnt allow his farging runt of a GM to create such a bad situation? How about that?
Quote
FootballScoop Staff @FootballScoop · 17m 17 minutes ago
Have reached out to sources re: Chip Kelly...was told, "stay tuned". Will update
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2015, 03:19:53 PM
How about this?
How about the owner doesn't allow this situation? How about the owner doesnt allow his farging runt of a GM to create such a bad situation? How about that?
howie should have never been hired....but thats neither here nor there
if they promised chip a certain amount of player personnel control and they don't like his PP decisions then he has to go no matter who the gm is....I actually back them on that
now you can blame them for giving/promising chip that power to begin with (altho they probably dont get him then) but not for getting rid of him for making bad decisions there
they also are open to criticism for doing this after only two seasons
its so easy for us to sit here and just say chip coach and Howie draft but we don't know what was agreed to when chip was hired
Florio is coming up on the fanatic
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2015, 03:27:00 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2015, 03:19:53 PM
How about this?
How about the owner doesn't allow this situation? How about the owner doesnt allow his farging runt of a GM to create such a bad situation? How about that?
howie should have never been hired....but thats neither here nor there
if they promised chip a certain amount of player personnel control and they don't like his PP decisions then he has to go no matter who the gm is....I actually back them on that
now you can blame them for giving/promising chip that power to begin with (altho they probably dont get him then) but not for getting rid of him for making bad decisions there
they also are open to criticism for doing this after only two seasons
its so easy for us to sit here and just say chip coach and Howie draft but we don't know what was agreed to when chip was hired
Whatever was agreed to when he was hired should be in place and enforceable today.
Bottom line is Lurie is farging this up. This is all on HIM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2015, 03:27:00 PM
its so easy for us to sit here and just say chip coach and Howie draft but we don't know what was agreed to when chip was hired
The writings on the wall with this
Chip was Howie's #1 choice. Howie sees the trend in the NFL is the spread offense, so he goes and gets the best spread offense guy out there. He does what he has to to get him here figuring he can work with him on player personnel stuff. He gives Chip the reigns, Chip drafts Pac 12 guys and doesn't listen to Howie's imput. He wanted Taylor Hart in the 3rd but Howie said no he'll be there in the 5th. Jaccson leaving was all Chip. I'm sure Howie wanted him to stay. Now he sees Chip doesn't know the NFL and wants to pull some of his power back.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2015, 03:32:11 PM
Quote from: SD on January 02, 2015, 03:28:22 PM
Florio is coming up on the fanatic
Please recap
He says he has some source, and they said something is brewing but he doesn't know what it is. Keeps saying he has to protect his source but gives nothing substantial. Says maybe Kelly and Howie feud is brewing and Kelly wants out but doesn't know. Admits he's reading in between the lines.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2015, 03:33:12 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2015, 03:27:00 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2015, 03:19:53 PM
How about this?
How about the owner doesn't allow this situation? How about the owner doesnt allow his farging runt of a GM to create such a bad situation? How about that?
howie should have never been hired....but thats neither here nor there
if they promised chip a certain amount of player personnel control and they don't like his PP decisions then he has to go no matter who the gm is....I actually back them on that
now you can blame them for giving/promising chip that power to begin with (altho they probably dont get him then) but not for getting rid of him for making bad decisions there
they also are open to criticism for doing this after only two seasons
its so easy for us to sit here and just say chip coach and Howie draft but we don't know what was agreed to when chip was hired
Whatever was agreed to when he was hired should be in place and enforceable today.
Bottom line is Lurie is farging this up. This is all on HIM
I don't consider it a farg up if they are getting rid of chip because he wants PP control....even if its PP control that they promised....the guy is a good coach but he shouldnt be putting a team together
What do you base that on? What legit evidence is out there other than him fumbling the decision to let Jackson go?
the last two drafts
rewarding kkk
pimp
the fact that culture to him is more important than talent
I also don't like how he puts so much emphasis on a players physique and how multi dimensional they are
and i will never get over him actually saying that he prefers draft picks with college degrees because it shows that they can finish something they started
his overall philosophy just wont work in the nfl....its thinking is based in college football
So what do you believe Howie is responsible for?
QuoteJordan Raanan @JordanRaanan now4 seconds ago
Yep, Chip not leaving--> MT @EliotShorrParks enjoy nice Twitter roller coaster ride, but think everyone needs to take a deep breath.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2015, 03:51:12 PM
So what do you believe Howie is responsible for?
guidance mostly...like how he told him not to take taylor hart so high because he sucks and would be on the board much later.....howie also is the one who scouts to find the kinds of players chip wants
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2015, 03:51:12 PM
So what do you believe Howie is responsible for?
Managing the cap and staying out of the way
Quote from: SD on January 02, 2015, 03:53:16 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2015, 03:51:12 PM
So what do you believe Howie is responsible for?
Managing the cap and staying out of the way
The way I understood it is, and I have read quotes from Chip saying it, that he is responsible for constructing the 53-man. Everything else is in Howie's control
howie would not have drafted josh huff taylor hart or matt barkley...marcus smith is a classic chip kind of player
drafts were all or close to all chip
special teams retool was all chip as well....which obviously worked out fantastically......but that's the place that chips kind of guys are going to excel on
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2015, 03:57:29 PM
howie would not have drafted josh huff taylor hart or matt barkley...marcus smith is a classic chip kind of player
drafts were all or close to all chip
special teams retool was all chip as well....which obviously worked out fantastically......but that's the place that chips kind of guys are going to excel on
Obviously he had input but I'm not laying it all at his feet. And even if we're going to do that he had his guy, Gamble and Gamble's scouts, doing that legwork.
Roseman has to be involved somehow.
But then again...we'll never know because those transactions are treated like CIA secrets.
Which is why Lurie needs to come out and fix his mess
I mean I obviously don't know for sure but all the oregon players all the pac 12 players....the kinds of players....pimp....the special teams etc....it all blatantly points to chip as the one who is putting together the roster
QuoteJason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora 1m1 minute ago
Back at Oregon people have heard how upset Chip Kelly is and how he wants out of Philly w/3yrs left on his deal, can he rattle enuff chains?
QuoteJohn Middlekauff @JohnMiddlekauff 6m6 minutes ago
Talked to many sources over the last 24 hours, the message has NOT changed - Chip Kelly is going nowhere
Kelly's not going anywhere. Settle the farg down.
QuoteReuben Frank @RoobCSN 3m3 minutes ago Philadelphia, PA
If I had to guess? I'd say he's gone RT @SteveRosenberg Is Chip staying 50/50 at this point or worse?
should have hired gus like I said all along
QuoteTim McManus @Tim_McManus 4m4 minutes ago
My understanding is that there is a move forthcoming, but it doesn't involve the departure of either Kelly or Roseman.
Mike Holmgren at GM?
Sheeeeeeeeeit -- if Howie is threatened by Joe Banner and Tom Gamble he'd cower in a corner in his farging underoo's if Holmgren was in the building.
And then he'd plant child porn on his computer...tell Jeffy...and have Holmgren sent up the river
Holmgren has to be approaching 70 doesn't he?
Yeah...66yrs old
QuoteLes Bowen @LesBowen now7 seconds ago Philadelphia, PA
I expect some sort of move that'd be a nod toward Chip, to counterbalance Gamble firing. Dunno what that might be. But lotsa folks think so
there isn't anybody less informed than les bowen...he's totally mailed it in at this point.
he loves twitter way more than he does reporting
I don't know...some of the other beat guys like Bob Grotz are pretty clueless.
Everyone is coming off pretty clueless on this because the three guys who know something haven't said shtein.
Basically the only fact I learned about the Eagles today is that Tom Gamble thinks the company that just fired him is "toxic".
That's because they don't actually do their farging jobs. They're lazy, uninspired jerkoffs who rely on rumor and supposition instead of digging for facts until they actually nail the story. Those Twitter feeds are ridiculously embarrassing.
If Jeff, Chip, and Howie are currently behind a locked door talking about the future of the team, I'm not really sure what we can expect those jerkoffs to know.
If they do their jobs maybe they know a Novacare receptionist who tells them something big is going on, but that's all they got right now. If they are hacks, they speculate or try to make it seem like they know more than they do so their bosses and readers don't realize they are hacks.
That's why I come to :CF for my Eagles news. Everywhere else is amateur hour.
@JasonLaCanfora: Lurie's made it clear he values Kelly and Roseman. I suspect he finds a way to appease parties for now w/new titles/adjusting some roles.
if that happens the problem will still be that the only person in the organization with a proven track record in player personnel will have still been fired
E-A-G-L-E-S....EAGLES!
Quote from: Rome on January 02, 2015, 04:56:53 PM
Those Twitter feeds are ridiculously embarrassing.
lol
when they arent dropping actual news which is rare they really are a complete joke
QuoteJay Glazer @JayGlazer 2m2 minutes ago
I don't see Chip leaving. Eagles trying to work it out
Sal Pal is used the term "demilitarized zone" in describing the gap between Chip and Howie.
*cure circus music*
But I am happy with Glazer piping in. He's the most plugged in reporter
like qb said we know as much as any of those fools...especially the national guys
Glazer is the best...he probably knows how many times Howie crawls under Jeff's desk a day
It's January 2nd. I seriously don't give a flying farg about any of this bullshtein. I'm still salty as hell that they flamed out, that they went into the season with garbage defensive backs, and about a 100 other things that actually matter to me as a fan. Just get your shtein straightened out like big boys do, and get back to the business of acquiring the talent necessary to win the Super Bowl. They're really not that far off and with a little luck they can get that done next year.
Quote from: Rome on January 02, 2015, 04:56:53 PM
Those Twitter feeds are ridiculously embarrassing.
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QuoteLou Skunt - Eagles fire Billy Davis...Rex Ryan front runner for d coordinator job
Quote from: Rome on January 02, 2015, 05:39:52 PMThey're really not that far off and with a little luck they can get that done next year.
Romey, I really don't see where you draw that much optimism from? You're a 'half-full' kind of guy when it comes to the team. I'm a "there's one or two drops left and they're evaporating as we speak" kind of guy regarding this team.
This team is nowhere near from where they need to become serious contenders.
@BrandonGowton: On 97.5, Adam Caplan said he heard there was a meeting today between Jeffrey Lurie, Chip Kelly, and Howie Roseman.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2015, 06:09:08 PM
@BrandonGowton: On 97.5, Adam Caplan said he heard there was a meeting today between Jeffrey Lurie, Chip Kelly, and Howie Roseman.
how dare they meet and try to figure this whole thing out instead of giving press conferences
Quote from: SD on January 02, 2015, 05:50:48 PM
Quote from: Rome on January 02, 2015, 04:56:53 PM
Those Twitter feeds are ridiculously embarrassing.
QuoteLou Skunt - Eagles fire Billy Davis...Rex Ryan front runner for d coordinator job
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Ahahahah at Lou Skunt
:-D
les bowens last tweet is incredible
QuotePhiladelphia Eagles @Eagles · 1m 1 minute ago
Coach Kelly will oversee player personnel department and lead efforts to hire a new personnel executive, a process that begins immediately.
Philadelphia Eagles @Eagles · 2m 2 minutes ago
Chairman and CEO Jeffrey Lurie announces new structural change for the #Eagles: Howie Roseman elevated to Executive VP of Football Ops.
Sweeeet! Whew!
chip winning is the huge story here....but this makes no sense re: gamble
I don't get the Gamble thing either. That was his boy.
So now it'd be funny if he rehired him.
Anyways let's see who he brings in...
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2015, 06:31:46 PM
chip winning is the huge story here....but this makes no sense re: gamble
Was just going to say the same thing. Florio speculated that Gamble/Chip were maybe scheming behind Howie's back to get him canned so Gamble could become the GM. No idea if that has any legs but I can't think of a more qualified guy than Gamble for that position.
Lurie finally mans the farg up:
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/article-1/Lurie-Announces-Structural-Change/11b587d7-132f-4f9b-9984-9c361f687675
QuoteChairman and CEO Jeffrey Lurie today announced a new structural change for the Philadelphia Eagles.
Howie Roseman will be elevated to the role of Executive Vice President of Football Operations and will continue directing contract negotiations, salary cap management and NFL strategic matters, while overseeing the team's medical staff, equipment staff and more.
Head coach Chip Kelly will now oversee the player personnel department. He will also lead efforts to hire a new personnel executive – a process that will begin immediately.
"We are a good football team and we believe these steps will help make us a great team," said Lurie. "That step - from good to great - is the most difficult one for any organization to make. To do that, sometimes you have to step back and really look hard at where you are today and what you want to become."
Roseman has been with the Eagles for 16 years in a variety of roles - as general manager since 2010.
"Philadelphia is my home and the Eagles are my family. My number one goal is to help bring a championship to this city and that will never change," said Roseman. "I believe this will solidify the trust we have all placed in Coach Kelly."
Kelly, who was hired as the Eagles head coach in 2013, has had two 10-win seasons.
"I am very confident about where we are headed as a team and as an organization. I look forward to continue working with Jeffrey and Howie as well as the personnel department," said Kelly.
"This is not a one-man operation," added Kelly. "It will truly take a team effort to acquire and develop the best football players and then put the best team on the field each week. It will take all of us working together."
And lol at calling that a 'promotion'.
what the hell?....so baffling
QuoteHe will also lead efforts to hire a new personnel executive – a process that will begin immediately.
QuoteLurie Explains Decision Behind Change
Posted 16 minutes ago
By PhiladelphiaEagles.com
The following is an expanded statement from Chairman and CEO Jeffrey Lurie regarding the structural change announced today:
"Today, we made an important announcement and one upon which I would like to offer further perspective.
"In the normal process of evaluating the end of the season, I meet with key executives for thorough discussions and evaluations of all aspects of football operations. During those lengthy meetings this week, we discussed a comprehensive approach on how to seamlessly integrate the personnel and coaching departments in order to maximize every facet of the process.
"Working with Chip (Kelly), Howie (Roseman) and Don (Smolenski) we came up with what we believe will be a more thorough and thoughtful model that would best be overseen by Chip. It's most important that we find players that match what our coaches are seeking.
"This new approach goes even further than we have in the past starting with Day One of the scouting process. This is part of an all-encompassing vision that takes you from the scouting process all the way to on-field performance.
"Howie, Chip and Don are all united in their desire to win. Together, we decided this approach was the best course of action for the Philadelphia Eagles.
"You have heard me say many times that I want strong leaders who feel free to express their opinions. And that is what happened here. Chip will now lead this process going forward with the continued full support of Howie, Don and myself.
"Chip will not be doing this work by himself, obviously. He has been charged with recruiting and hiring a new personnel executive that will report directly to him and together we will move forward with this new, highly integrated approach.
"When I said – after the Giants game – that Howie was returning as general manager next season, I meant that. But after carefully listening and reflecting on the lengthy discussions that I had with our senior team, I changed my mind.
"I have a very good relationship with Chip that continues to grow stronger and stronger. When we spoke, he was thoughtful, thorough and professional. There were no demands, no threats - quite the contrary - he was passionate, engaged and articulated a dynamic and clear vision on how this fully integrated approach will work. We look forward to seeing it come to life over time.
"Let me also stress that Howie will continue to play a vital role in our operation. He has been elevated to the role of Executive Vice President of Football Operations and received a contract extension."
"In closing, we have looked hard at where we are today and what we want to become. We are all united in our desire to win for this city."
you really have to give Howie a ton of credit here for falling on his sword and the one thing you cant ever question is his love of the philadelphia eagles
I cant ever remember a situation like this where both parties stayed....it always ends in one person leaving the organization
I'll translate:
Chip bitch slapped them because they're soft and he got his way
Howie lost his GM job but was given a contract extension and 'promotion'
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2015, 06:46:43 PM
you really have to give Howie a ton of credit here for falling on his sword and the one thing you cant ever question is his love of the philadelphia eagles
I cant ever remember a situation like this where both parties stayed....it always ends in one person leaving the organization
They did something like this before with Heckert/Banner/Reid if I remember. One got promoted to president or some shtein.
FO version of a "one-year deal". gives everybody an out wrapped up complete with corporate earnings-call "re-org" speak...
Tho probably best outcome for all to step away from the ledge given the alternative was MAD nuke exchange...
burning question was it all orchestrated, or did howie overplay his hand gambling?
Quote from: SD on January 02, 2015, 08:09:10 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2015, 01:06:43 AM
https://twitter.com/boopstats/status/550895637601189889
Uncalled for. That's going to drive a stake further. An egomaniac like Chip can't handle that
How dumb does this DN cover look now?
Howie got fired upstairs and Chip will be the de facto GM until he finds a toady who'll do whatever the farg he wants.
Again, this is Modrak getting shtein-canned and Andy taking the reigns all over again. And I will bet you any amount of money that Chip said something to this effect: "either I get the power to pick the players, and this bookworm motherfarger goes away or I will."
Either way, Chip solidified and consolidated his power and Howie goes back to the money cage where he belongs.
Quote from: Rome on January 02, 2015, 06:52:07 PM
Howie got fired upstairs and Chip will be the de facto GM until he finds a toady who'll do whatever the farg he wants.
Again, this is Modrak getting shtein-canned and Andy taking the reigns all over again. And I will bet you any amount of money that Chip said something to this effect: "either I get the power to pick the players, and this bookworm motherfarger goes away or I will."
Either way, Chip solidified and consolidated his power and Howie goes back to the money cage where he belongs.
Chip's smart enough to get a guy who knows football and he can trust. Howie wasn't that guy. There's no doubt Howie knows the cap but they need an NFL type who can pick players.
Quote from: SD on January 02, 2015, 06:48:40 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2015, 06:46:43 PM
you really have to give Howie a ton of credit here for falling on his sword and the one thing you cant ever question is his love of the philadelphia eagles
I cant ever remember a situation like this where both parties stayed....it always ends in one person leaving the organization
They did something like this before with Heckert/Banner/Reid if I remember. One got promoted to president or some shtein.
but no one there got stripped of duties that was more about titles...howie got fired as GM and not only did he lose that title he got removed entirely from all PP matters...it would be like if heckert became the salary cap guy
with howie in a corner as lifer company man he doesn't have realistic options elsewhere in NFL. CK has many. checkmate.
So Marcus Smith = Howie pick
No doubt in my mind.
If he was Chip's pick then he wouldn't have been blasting him in the media and he would've played him.
Quote from: JackStraw on January 02, 2015, 06:55:48 PM
with howie in a corner as lifer company man he doesn't have realistic options elsewhere in NFL. CK has many. checkmate.
Supposedly the Jets wanted him. I'm sure he could get a job in a similar role to what he has now. Nobody is letting him pick the groceries though.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2015, 06:52:29 PM
Quote from: SD on January 02, 2015, 06:48:40 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2015, 06:46:43 PM
you really have to give Howie a ton of credit here for falling on his sword and the one thing you cant ever question is his love of the philadelphia eagles
I cant ever remember a situation like this where both parties stayed....it always ends in one person leaving the organization
They did something like this before with Heckert/Banner/Reid if I remember. One got promoted to president or some shtein.
but no one there got stripped of duties that was more about titles...howie got fired as GM and not only did he lose that title he got removed entirely from all PP matters...it would be like if heckert became the salary cap guy
Maybe it was what Rome said with Reid/Modrak. I just remember something like this happening 15 years ago.
I'm telling you... Kelly could have quit and found a high profile college job in 10 minutes. If it weren't for his NFL contract he could have had his pick of NFL jobs too. He had all the leverage, and honestly, I'm thrilled by what's transpired.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2015, 06:57:04 PM
So Marcus Smith = Howie pick
No doubt in my mind.
If he was Chip's pick then he wouldn't have been blasting him in the media and he would've played him.
After the draft he was on one of the radio stations talking about tiers and this and that. Said it's up to Smith if he's going to play this year. Couldn't tell either way. Danny Watkins was his pick, he's quoted everywhere about that pick.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2015, 06:57:04 PM
So Marcus Smith = Howie pick
No doubt in my mind.
If he was Chip's pick then he wouldn't have been blasting him in the media and he would've played him.
I'm thinking the same thing. It doesn't really feel like a chip pick to me, especially now.
The question is, did Gamble agree with Howie or Chip on the pick?
Quote from: Rome on January 02, 2015, 06:58:53 PM
I'm telling you... Kelly could have quit and found a high profile college job in 10 minutes. If it weren't for his NFL contract he could have had his pick of NFL jobs too. He had all the leverage, and honestly, I'm thrilled by what's transpired.
Was listening to an insider on one of the stations driving home, they said the buyout clause in Chip's contract was absurd and that a team would really have to pony up to get him. There are no high profile college jobs left.
I'm sure he went into the meeting saying they promised him this and that and they folded because they're not football guys.
Here's another thing
Chip has full personnel control
Hellooooo Mariota.
Well maybe not...but he's going to offer to trade everything to get up there
How mad is Howie right now? He makes Chip his #1 priority and latches his career onto his success only to have him fired.
Okay, I'm just going to ask the hard question here. Who is Tom Gamble?
QuoteWhen I said – after the Giants game – that Howie was returning as general manager next season, I meant that. But after carefully listening and reflecting on the lengthy discussions that I had with our senior team, I changed my mind.
Aka Chip threatened to bounce.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2015, 06:57:04 PM
So Marcus Smith = Howie pick
No doubt in my mind.
If he was Chip's pick then he wouldn't have been blasting him in the media and he would've played him.
100% chip pick....chip raved about his multi dimensions and how long he was....he was a senior who had graduated...team leader type...plus no chance howie would have taken him that high...the whole draft had chips hands all over it
nothing that happened since gamble was fired had anything to do with marcus smith....its way bigger than a draft bust
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2015, 07:08:24 PM
QuoteWhen I said – after the Giants game – that Howie was returning as general manager next season, I meant that. But after carefully listening and reflecting on the lengthy discussions that I had with our senior team, I changed my mind.[\b]
Aka Chip threatened to bounce.
Farg Howie and his inability to draft a corner that can play man coverage against the best receivers in the NFL, causing the Eagles to miss the playoffs since you're not allowed to come up with defensive schemes that hide your weaknesses.
I went to take a long piss, and I come back to this? Ok...so, are we collectively happy or mad for next season and the near future of this team? I need to get back to my life, so, let me know asap. Thanks.
Quote from: hbionic on January 02, 2015, 07:12:46 PM
Ok...so, are we collectively happy or mad for next season and the near future of this team?
Mad. Always mad.
I think Chip makes a play for Kaep
Quote from: hbionic on January 02, 2015, 07:12:46 PM
I went to take a long piss, and I come back to this? Ok...so, are we collectively happy or mad for next season and the near future of this team? I need to get back to my life, so, let me know asap. Thanks.
That depends on Chips gm selection. He brings in a yes man then farg no...he brings in an nfl guy and we'll see
Quote from: Munson on January 02, 2015, 07:14:46 PM
I think Chip makes a play for Kaep
Why would the niners trade him?
Quote from: SD on January 02, 2015, 07:16:03 PM
Quote from: Munson on January 02, 2015, 07:14:46 PM
I think Chip makes a play for Kaep
Why would the niners trade him?
Would probably depend on who ends up there as coach and if he thinks Kaep is the guy after a couple mediocre years.
Quote from: hbionic on January 02, 2015, 07:12:46 PM
I went to take a long piss, and I come back to this? Ok...so, are we collectively happy or mad for next season and the near future of this team? I need to get back to my life, so, let me know asap. Thanks.
im glad chip is the coach but im not happy with him also being head of PP....for one thing I don't like his philosophy....but im willing to give him another draft and FA or two....so im hopeful he will be better...more uncomfortable for me is having anyone do both jobs but especially someone as detailed in coaching as chip is...I mean the guy monitors his players sleep for god sakes....I think he has enough going on...on the coaching side of things
I also agree with straw in that this could easily be a one year band aid...because Howie is still in the building the stench of this is going to always be hanging over everyone...also is chip really happy?....I mean he got what he wanted but the same person still owns the team and the same person who fired his boy gamble is still working for the team...it just doesn't seem like a great working environment...I be kinda surprised if chip is the coach of the team this time next year
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2015, 07:19:09 PM
I be kinda surprised if chip is the coach of the team this time next year
He won't be for sure if they don't win a goddamn playoff game.
Quote from: Munson on January 02, 2015, 07:18:15 PM
Quote from: SD on January 02, 2015, 07:16:03 PM
Quote from: Munson on January 02, 2015, 07:14:46 PM
I think Chip makes a play for Kaep
Why would the niners trade him?
Would probably depend on who ends up there as coach and if he thinks Kaep is the guy after a couple mediocre years.
Also, the Eagles can't afford his contract right now.
Salt of the Earth on the back of a Kelly Green jersey en route to Casa de Havas as we speak
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2015, 07:25:49 PM
Salt of the Earth on the back of a Kelly Green jersey en route to Casa de Havas as we speak
hands to the grindstone baby!!
@injuryexpert: Chip Kelly was just given control of his teams medical. No other coach has that. Bet he integrates it more with his sports science.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2015, 07:29:00 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2015, 07:25:49 PM
Salt of the Earth on the back of a Kelly Green jersey en route to Casa de Havas as we speak
hands to the grindstone baby!!
Team needs some muckers and grinders eh?
Oops. Wrong sport.
So does Chip make a huge run at Mariota?
A lot of the PP moves thought of as "Kelly moves" didn't work out, but if you go through the effort to hire a guy like Kelly, you don't tie his hands behind his back. He needs the players he wants to do what he's trying to do, which is a lot more ambitious than your typical Xs and Os NFL coach.
Either it works out and everyone's happy, or it flames out and you start over with a different coach. But you don't hire Kelly to do 40% of what he wants to do.
I think this probably should have been the arrangement from the start. Maybe the only reason it wasn't is because Howie was instrumental in bringing Kelly into the fold in the first place.
Chip: Hey Jeff, - didja see the rose bowl yesterday?
Jeff: Oh hi Chip...um...heh...yeah, great game, huh? You sure got a lot of name checks...
Chip: So about howie...
Jeff: heh, yeah really sorry about that little gamble thing. I've been doing some thinking and, well, what can we do to make it right?
Chip: well, after "we" move boy blunder out of the way lets talk ducks - you know, one in particular..
Jeff: sure thing chipper!
This team just went all-in on Chip. As his biggest fan (and honestly, the :CF poster who most resembles him physically at this point) I love this.
But in all seriousness, Howie is out of the player selection game. Happy as farg about that. Like all-time happy.
By the way, I like how the press releases always say Don Smolenski is at the table for these high level meetings. Is he refilling the coffees? Dude basically runs the box office.
hahahaha
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2015, 07:39:48 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2015, 07:31:50 PM
So does Chip make a huge run at Mariota?
now im begging you
I'm just asking. Lil guy may not be able to type bc he's rubbing himself raw thinking about it
Quote from: Rome on January 02, 2015, 07:35:52 PM
This team just went all-in on Chip. As his biggest fan (and honestly, the :CF poster who most resembles him physically at this point) I love this.
But in all seriousness, Howie is out of the player selection game. Happy as farg about that. Like all-time happy.
Really? You look more like Chip? I don't believe it. This is what you look like to me.
(http://www.sitcomsonline.com/photopost/data/1001/Michael_Gross2.jpg)
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2015, 07:44:07 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2015, 07:39:48 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2015, 07:31:50 PM
So does Chip make a huge run at Mariota?
now im begging you
I'm just asking. Lil guy may not be able to type bc he's rubbing himself raw thinking about it
Says his boss every week when the junior varsity field hockey report is due.
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 02, 2015, 07:43:10 PM
By the way, I like how the press releases always say Don Smolenski is at the table for these high level meetings. Is he refilling the coffees? Dude basically runs the box office.
hes marketing and community relations basically but yeah he aint doing shtein in these kinds of meetings
speaking of tickets is HOF leo carlin still with the team?
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2015, 07:47:27 PMspeaking of tickets is HOF leo carlin still with the team?
Absolutely. Pretty sure he's there until he drops.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2015, 07:44:07 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2015, 07:39:48 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2015, 07:31:50 PM
So does Chip make a huge run at Mariota?
now im begging you
I'm just asking. Lil guy may not be able to type bc he's rubbing himself raw thinking about it
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2015, 07:44:07 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2015, 07:39:48 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2015, 07:31:50 PM
So does Chip make a huge run at Mariota?
now im begging you
I'm just asking. Lil guy may not be able to type bc he's rubbing himself raw thinking about it
if they play nfl football and have drafts for another 100 millennia there will still be no team that will have moved from 20 to 1 in a draft
even im over MM.....at the 1
if he falls its ON. but the eagles are not going from 20 to 1 to get him. stop.
here's my best guess of what happened
chip at his ending presser: howie is a nerd and tommy is my man
howie: farg you chip. tom, youre fired. GET OUT
gamble: the fu-
chip: jeff! can you believe this geek
lurie: i know
chip: i want him gone
lurie: i cant do that, but i can do this....howie, youre back to being a bean counter, but im giving you an extension and a new title to make it look good even though nobody will buy it. chip, you are the de facto gm
chip: yes
howie: no
lurie: oh yea? go find a gm job
howie: ok i will (10 seconds later). ok im in.
if that's what happened can gamble come back or that would be just to weird right?
Yeah that'd be weird. Maybe if they didn't have him escorted off the property like some kind of criminal.
yea thats not happening
does it really matter anyway? this is a dictatorCHIP and every single decision related to football will come through and by him. this position is like his OC, its an interchangeable spot that can filled by almost anyone.
for better or for worse, probably worse since philly is loserville, this is chip's organization. but howie gets to run the equipment staff.
maybe im old school but don't you have to do something
like maybe win 1 playoff game
at a minimum
before you get the keys to the kingdom
Howie is out of the decision making process where players are concerned. I don't care if Choo-Choo the sign language translating chimpanzee is in charge... IT AIN'T HOWIE NO MORE.
Boom.
Quote from: Rome on January 02, 2015, 08:30:38 PM
Howie is out of the decision making process where players are concerned. I don't care if Choo-Choo the sign language translating chimpanzee is in charge... IT AIN'T HOWIE NO MORE.
Boom.
howies last draft was infinitely better than chip's two drafts combined....just sayin
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2015, 08:30:30 PM
maybe im old school but don't you have to do something
like maybe win 1 playoff game
at a minimum
before you get the keys to the kingdom
chip won the rose bowl yesterday...announcers said so. national chip fapping will be all time high if they beat buckeyes and jeff is genius to turn it all over to him
Any ideas for GM? It may not matter with Chip Kelly in charge of player personnel, but I would love to snatch a top exec from the Steelers. Drafting is the lifeblood of any NFL team, and if I had to pluck an exec from somewhere, I'd start with the best drafting organizations. The best drafting organizations are the most consistently successful. The Steelers never go out and sign free agents, and their drafts always replace their top talents that get old and move on.
One thing I worry about with Chip in charge of PP is that he didn't seem too keen on going out and spending any money in free agency. Hopefully that's just politically correct coach speak. Can't be afraid to give out a big contract to a free agent now and then.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2015, 08:30:30 PM
maybe im old school but don't you have to do something
like maybe win 1 playoff game
at a minimum
before you get the keys to the kingdom
valid, but it seemed like with that went down chip drew a line in the sand. either he gets control and gets to hire his guy or he's gone and jeff can keep howie.
jeff chose chip.
Quote from: AshishPatel81 on January 02, 2015, 08:42:46 PM
One thing I worry about Chip in charge of PP is that he didn't seem to keen on going out and spending any money in free agency.
this is huge right?....cause it goes to the idea of culture/system being more important than talent to chip
as for gm I would like there to not be one...I would like chip to bring in two or three intelligent sets of eyes...I cant imagine getting a name guy to come in at this point anyway...any veteran PP guy with cache knows chip holds the crown and wont wanna share it....so go out and get some young bright future gm's to form a sort of committee that chip chairs
there is also the question of the scouting dept....when gamble was hired he brought in three of his own guys...not sure if they walk with him or not....if they do there will be work to do in the scouting dept as well as filling the upper levels of the PP dept
Quote from: MDS on January 02, 2015, 08:47:55 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2015, 08:30:30 PM
maybe im old school but don't you have to do something
like maybe win 1 playoff game
at a minimum
before you get the keys to the kingdom
valid, but it seemed like with that went down chip drew a line in the sand. either he gets control and gets to hire his guy or he's gone and jeff can keep howie.
jeff chose chip.
one thing we will find out with the hiring of the gm is if this was more about getting howie out of his face or more about chip having PP control...chip obviously loves his kind of guys but in the end maybe he doesn't really care that much about the PP stuff and is at heart an unmarried 50 year old football nerd who sleeps on his futon at novacare 365 days a year dreaming about the next formation he can trick a defense with
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2015, 08:48:56 PM
Quote from: AshishPatel81 on January 02, 2015, 08:42:46 PM
One thing I worry about Chip in charge of PP is that he didn't seem to keen on going out and spending any money in free agency.
this is huge right?....cause it goes to the idea of culture/system being more important than talent to chip
as for gm I would like there to not be one...I would like chip to bring in two or three intelligent sets of eyes...I cant imagine getting a name guy to come in at this point anyway...any veteran PP guy with cache knows chip holds the crown and wont wanna share it....so go out and get some young bright future gm's to form a sort of committee that chip chairs
there is also the question of the scouting dept....when gamble was hired he brought in three of his own guys...not sure if they walk with him or not....if they do there will be work to do in the scouting dept as well as filling the upper levels of the PP dept
Yes, that is my biggest criticism of Chip. Hopefully this season was a reality check, because clearly the talent was not good enough to overcome, and Chip's system fell apart down the stretch against the better teams. Actually, against the best defenses they faced this year, to put it bluntly the offense was complete and total shtein. But stubborn people tend to stay stubborn. It's in their blood.
If he thinks he can fix this secondary with a couple draft picks and some bargain bin free agent, he'll be sorely mistaken.
by all accounts chip is not stubborn at all....in fact all he does is try and get other peoples ears on different ways to go on everything...whether its the sports science stuff...how to run a practice....or how to properly run a 6 yard dig
but when it comes to the culture thing I feel like that's the foundation of everything he does....its in his blood and not up for debate....at least thats my worry
Why do you keep saying culture is a bad thing? Jesus Christ, dude... he wants smart, athletic guys who are bigger and nastier than the other team. That's a problem for you because it's sure as farg not one for me.
its fine but it needs to take a back seat to talent
pimp >>>>>> kkk
this aint the boy scouts son...its the not for long league
How much of an icehole is DeSean Jackson as a person if the head coach prefers Riley Cooper to him?
Seriously, I'm asking you to take a second and think about that. Cooper is a piece of shtein human and he's also a middling professional athlete, yet Kelly evidently said, "you know, I think we'll keep the guy who isn't one-tenth as talented as the other guy."
Jackson is gone and if you're using that one decision as your sole barometer for Kelly's judgment on players, you might want to expand your mind a bit. I know that's asking a king's ransom from you, but give it a shot.
that one decision likely cost them anywhere between 2 and 3 wins
but whatever
Quote from: Rome on January 02, 2015, 09:14:14 PM
How much of an icehole is DeSean Jackson as a person if the head coach prefers Riley Cooper to him?
see this is where we differ....i dont care if my players are good guys or not...i want the better player not the nicer guy
I have an idea...let's let the DeSean thing go. It's time for us to cut it loose...I hated it and still hate it but it's over and done with. He's chillin with Bob and Coach Grudes now.
As for who will GM?
No idea. It has to be a yes man and someone who is fine with having a title only. Shorr-Parks mentioned Todd Brummer who is with Seattle
Quote from: MDS on January 02, 2015, 09:15:27 PM
that one decision likely cost them anywhere between 2 and 3 wins
but whatever
It cost them zero wins, you're on crack if you think they're a 12 or 13 win team. Fact is even with Jaccson they're still not a contender this season. Defense is a mess and their QB blows.
they easily win a couple of the close games with the pts pimp brings to the offense
but this is bigger than this year and bigger than pimp....the question is does chip continue to be this way on all his moves or does he go harder after talent....even someone like jordan matthews is an example....he had a nice year and I like him but there were so many other wr's in the draft that had explosiveness and were uber talented...however chip loved matthews who is a dime a dozen guy cause he was a four year workmanlike college grad leader....that's extreme example because he is a good player hes not marcus smith but it shows that the good players he gets could have been great ones its not just zesty players that could have been good
The thing that may change his course may be that all the pundits were basically right about all the poor moves last year. Injuries offers some cover, but those and some game calls, may give him pause that "system" in NFL isn't infallible. Gamble collateral damage first fallout.
New guys hired into a business always want to impress new boss on their methods vs prior regime spending - "i can get it great and cheap". doesn't always work out and now he may realize if he wants big, nasty and good, he's gonna have to pay. "Dream Team" was laughable, sure, but chips almost in same position now - this little episode lost cost him any remaining mulligans - win a playoff or bust.
In business if you win, people forget what it cost. Lose and no one cares how much you saved...
Quote from: JackStraw on January 02, 2015, 09:30:07 PM
The thing that may change his course may be that all the pundits were basically right about all the poor moves last year. Injuries offers some cover, but those and some game calls, may give him pause that "system" in NFL isn't infallible. Gamble collateral damage first fallout.
New guys hired into a business always want to impress new boss on their methods vs prior regime spending - "i can get it great and cheap". doesn't always work out and now he may realize if he wants big, nasty and good, he's gonna have to pay. "Dream Team" was laughable, sure, but chips almost in same position now - this little episode lost cost him any remaining mulligans - win a playoff or bust.
In business if you win, people forget what it cost. Lose and no one cares how much you saved...
I don't disagree with any of that and I hope its the case but the x factor might be the qb position...I can easily see chip saying the system would be fine with my qb...and he may be right about that....but he also may never get his guy at qb...so what happens until he does?
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2015, 09:29:40 PM
they easily win a couple of the close games with the pts pimp brings to the offense
They won 10 games with him last year. WRs don't make up a 2 to 3 game win margin.
Matthews wasn't even the most egregious pick, it was Josh Huff. Still had Bryant and Moncrief on the board. If he thought a big tall, physical SEC all-time receiver would be a stud for him, I could let it slide. But there's no way to think Huff was the best receiver on the board other than pure Oregon bias.
That's just for WRs. The Marcus Smith pick was obviously a joke.
Quote from: SD on January 02, 2015, 09:34:12 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2015, 09:29:40 PM
they easily win a couple of the close games with the pts pimp brings to the offense
They won 10 games with him last year. WRs don't make up a 2 to 3 game win margin.
sure they do....it doesn't even mean the wr has to score himself....pimp opens up everything for them....sf where they scored zero offensive pts they win if hes there....shtein take him off wash and put him on the birds and they win that game where every wr on the roster combined caught less passes than zach ertz
Quote from: AshishPatel81 on January 02, 2015, 09:37:38 PM
Matthews wasn't even the most egregious pick, it was Josh Huff. Still had Bryant and Moncrief on the board.
mos def
don't get me wrong im not killin jordan matthews....its just that its easy to point out a huff type pick so I wanted to use a pick where the player is actually good but could have been better...its about getting top end talent not just avoiding busts or terrible picks
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2015, 09:40:10 PM
Quote from: SD on January 02, 2015, 09:34:12 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2015, 09:29:40 PM
they easily win a couple of the close games with the pts pimp brings to the offense
They won 10 games with him last year. WRs don't make up a 2 to 3 game win margin.
sure they do....it doesn't even mean the wr has to score himself....pimp opens up everything for them....sf where they scored zero offensive pts they win if hes there....shtein take him off wash and put him on the birds and they win that game where every wr on the roster combined caught less passes than zach ertz
They had one starting O lineman against SF and Foles was under constant pressure. They still lose that game. He's not the magic man, he's an undersized WR with dangerous speed. I agree he opens the offense up but by your theory the Skins offense should have been world beaters this season.
I'll say this, they would have beaten the taterskins if he was still on the team...or on any other team other than the Skins.
Quote from: SD on January 02, 2015, 09:34:12 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2015, 09:29:40 PM
they easily win a couple of the close games with the pts pimp brings to the offense
They won 10 games with him last year. WRs don't make up a 2 to 3 game win margin.
Jackson and Maclin together, with a less interception-prone quarterback, are better together than either of them playing with Cooper.
http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/jeffrey-lurie-had-no-choice-put-chip-kelly-charge
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2015, 09:34:06 PM
Quote from: JackStraw on January 02, 2015, 09:30:07 PM
The thing that may change his course may be that all the pundits were basically right about all the poor moves last year. Injuries offers some cover, but those and some game calls, may give him pause that "system" in NFL isn't infallible. Gamble collateral damage first fallout.
New guys hired into a business always want to impress new boss on their methods vs prior regime spending - "i can get it great and cheap". doesn't always work out and now he may realize if he wants big, nasty and good, he's gonna have to pay. "Dream Team" was laughable, sure, but chips almost in same position now - this little episode lost cost him any remaining mulligans - win a playoff or bust.
In business if you win, people forget what it cost. Lose and no one cares how much you saved...
I don't disagree with any of that and I hope its the case but the x factor might be the qb position...I can easily see chip saying the system would be fine with my qb...and he may be right about that....but he also may never get his guy at qb...so what happens until he does?
I think he makes solid-to-biggish moves to right the glaring mistakes, and he gets two years to find his QB. Probably tries to find one under a rock this year. If Foles busts not his fault and next draft/FA he'll push all the chips in. He will get creamed if he doesn't have a quality back-up this season, tho. Cant count on foles to stay upright even if playing lights out.
(fwiw I like Cook in '16 - too bad he didn't come out but get his reasoning to stay at M.St. another year. Mobile enough but also plays pocket pretty well. Low key. Nice comeback after boneheaded pick, too.)
Quote from: Rome on January 02, 2015, 08:30:38 PM
Howie is out of the decision making process where players are concerned. I don't care if Choo-Choo the sign language translating chimpanzee is in charge... IT AIN'T HOWIE NO MORE.
Boom.
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Probably my favorite post ever.
QuoteSources with knowledge of the situation have said that last May, Roseman's scouting staff was really ticked when the coaches were allowed to change a draft board that the scouts had set - part of the ongoing conflict that led to yesterday's restructuring.
chip kelly when he was hired about 22 months ago....
Quote"I've heard questions [indicating] that I want control over this, control over that," he said. "That has never been an issue, never is an issue for me. I'm a football coach. I'm not a general manager. I'm not a salary cap guy. I coach football. I need people who can go out there and say, 'Hey this is what you want. These are the people.' And it's going to be a collaboration. We're all going to be on the same page. I've got no delusions of saying that I want all these different titles. I just want to coach football."
Are you surprised that he changed his mind after working with the likes of Howie Roseman for two years?
Seriously??
So what?
Who says he changed his mind anyway? Dude is going to hire a GM now, not be one.
I think he changed his mind about specifically working with Roseman, not necessarily anything else. He came to the Eagles as a coach and he remains that, but if he's going to be on the hook for what happens on the field, he better be comfortable with the guys who are responsible for hiring the players he's going to be coaching.
Quote from: Rome on January 03, 2015, 11:09:56 AM
Are you surprised that he changed his mind after working with the likes of Howie Roseman for two years?
Seriously??
small sample sizes all around but howie has proven to be much better at player evaluation than chip....so I don't understand how you have chip on a PP pedestal when all hes done is get things wrong and howies last draft that he controlled was very good....that's not a defense of howie I just cant believe how many people are happy that a guy who was an OC at new hampshire less than ten years ago now is one of two guys in the nfl with complete control of a football organization
Quote from: Diomedes on January 03, 2015, 11:11:35 AM
Who says he changed his mind anyway? Dude is going to hire a GM now, not be one.
this is wrong....he will hire a GM in name only....chip has 100% control of PP
Just as Barry has total control over Justice Dept.....but neither has the time to make every call, so they get a guy. Simple stuff.
Quote from: Rome on January 03, 2015, 11:14:33 AM
I think he changed his mind about specifically working with Roseman, not necessarily anything else. He came to the Eagles as a coach and he remains that, but if he's going to be on the hook for what happens on the field, he better be comfortable with the guys who are responsible for hiring the players he's going to be coaching.
you dont like roseman because hes a short nerdy jew...not because of anything specific he's down as a GM
there's no such thing as a roseman fan, but the vitriol toward him is completely unfounded.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 03, 2015, 11:21:23 AM
Just as Barry has total control over Justice Dept.....but neither has the time to make every call, so they get a guy. Simple stuff.
I don't even get that analogy as it makes no sense and is not comparable in anyway but whatever
chip will have plenty of time to make every call and he will.....the question is will he have time to properly educate himself on those calls....a coach especially one as in depth as chip doesn't have nearly enough time to properly evaluate players....PP is a 12 month job and that's impossible to do when you are coaching 8-9 of those months
you saw what happened with lasts years draft when chip came in and basically blew up what the scouts had prepared all year and went with his guys....it was catastrophic...imo a gm should be picking players and a coach should be coaching them with of course some input in to the selection process....a coach can have a vision of what he wants and then the PP people should choose what they think is the best player to make that vision come into focus....but above and beyond all that what has chip ever done at this level to support him having ANY say in PP much less being the gm....the guys is a football coach lifer....x's and o's...that's what he does...maybe he ends up being the next ron wolf and my worst fears are not realized...but this is unprecedented in nfl history giving this amount of power to a guy with the nfl resume of chip kelly
i was thinking about this earlier and what if laconfora's report about chip wanting out was true and about wanting to "rattle the cages" was his request for total control not expecting Lurie to grant it.
I think that very well may be true....me and straw talked earlier in the thread about this being a short term thing.....i said this...
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2015, 07:19:09 PM
I also agree with straw in that this could easily be a one year band aid...because Howie is still in the building the stench of this is going to always be hanging over everyone...also is chip really happy?....I mean he got what he wanted but the same person still owns the team and the same person who fired his boy gamble is still working for the team...it just doesn't seem like a great working environment...I be kinda surprised if chip is the coach of the team this time next year
Reading the last 3 days of this thread and the repetitive arguments of people with literally zero knowledge of whats actually going on is a pretty interesting social experiment.
chip kelly got what he wanted and now he will quit
Quote from: MDS on January 03, 2015, 11:22:21 AM
Quote from: Rome on January 03, 2015, 11:14:33 AM
I think he changed his mind about specifically working with Roseman, not necessarily anything else. He came to the Eagles as a coach and he remains that, but if he's going to be on the hook for what happens on the field, he better be comfortable with the guys who are responsible for hiring the players he's going to be coaching.
you dont like roseman because hes a short nerdy jew...not because of anything specific he's down as a GM
there's no such thing as a roseman fan, but the vitriol toward him is completely unfounded.
What has he done as a GM to like him?
Quote from: SD on January 03, 2015, 12:48:56 PM
Quote from: MDS on January 03, 2015, 11:22:21 AM
Quote from: Rome on January 03, 2015, 11:14:33 AM
I think he changed his mind about specifically working with Roseman, not necessarily anything else. He came to the Eagles as a coach and he remains that, but if he's going to be on the hook for what happens on the field, he better be comfortable with the guys who are responsible for hiring the players he's going to be coaching.
you dont like roseman because hes a short nerdy jew...not because of anything specific he's down as a GM
there's no such thing as a roseman fan, but the vitriol toward him is completely unfounded.
What has he done as a GM to like him?
no one likes him....but romeys and many others over the top hatred of him is crazy especially when you look at the person they just hired to replace him...if they hired a legit GM it would be a lot different...again small samples sizes but right now the guy they hired is a worse PP than howie...so in that repsect it seems crazy to murder howie right now
this guy has emerged as the first potential and for right now leading candidate for "GM"
QuotePHILADELPHIA — One of the rising stars in the Eagles' scouting department was born at Riddle Memorial Hospital in Middletown.
Eagles assistant director of player personnel Ed Marynowitz has never been to the Granite Run Mall, but he has local roots. His mother, Barbara, is from Springfield while his father, Ed, hails from Northeast Philadelphia.
The family moved across the Walt Whitman Bridge to Blackwood, N.J., when Marynowitz was still an infant. But not before the fandom DNA was passed on.
"My dad grew up an Eagles fan," Marynowitz said. "I went to my first Eagles game in 1993. We've got a lot of family and friends in the area. No question, I grew up in it."
Marynowitz, 29, is growing into his job with the Eagles. Director of player personnel Tommy Gamble, the son of former Eagles president Harry Gamble, has seen a lot of people come and go in his 25 years in the NFL.
But Gamble hasn't seen many talents like Marynowitz.
"I think Ed Marynowitz is going to be a star in this business," Gamble said. "I've been around him before. We hired him in San Fran briefly. He's phenomenal. He's excellent, just a talented guy. He's going to have a long career in this business. He's a sharp guy."
What makes Marynowitz sharp is his approach to his job, which includes bringing to the Eagles the skills he culled from helping Alabama recruit first-round, NFL-caliber players.
Marynowitz is part of the collaborative effort to identify and evaluate players in order to give the Eagles a championship roster.
Marynowitz played quarterback for two years at La Salle University, completing 187 of 349 (51.5 percent) attempts for 2,557 yards with 13 touchdowns and 20 interceptions. He left to walk on at quarterback at Central Florida.
When his playing career stalled, Marynowitz drifted into another area.
"I've always been really intrigued by just the player procurement process," Marynowitz said. "As a player a lot of times you might want to coach and go in that direction. I never really had that passion to do that. I always kind of wanted to be on this side of it."
Marynowitz was on the Eagles' payroll for the last year of the Andy Reid era. He'd spent four years at Alabama as the director of player personnel as he guided football recruiting efforts. Do we need to mention how the Crimson Tide is a perennial national champion?
"I feel like I had probably one of the best jobs in college football in terms of personnel," Marynowitz said. "Just for me, a long-term goal was always to be in the NFL. Different than coaching, there's kind of a cap and ceiling from personnel and scouting standpoint in college that obviously you don't have in the professional level just because of the ways the rules are structured, what you can and can't do. So I kind of felt I hit a ceiling there."
Eagles general manager Howie Roseman had no problem fitting Marynowitz's skill set into the new scouting staff. Marynowitz was born in 1984. In these days of interviewing prospects and coaching-up players on Skype, he's exactly what the Eagles need to increase their scouting range.
Marynowitz's college experience has been a huge resource as he helped in evaluations of prospects from a character and skills standpoint. He is more than familiar with ACC and SEC-caliber players he helped recruit.
"Name recognition, knowing backgrounds, knowing family information, having a snapshot, an idea of what that player was in high school," Marynowitz said. "You're not starting from a blank slate. So I feel I've got a little bit of an edge up in terms of just general background information. You go to the scouting combine and you see some of these guys and they remember you. Some of that stuff in terms of relationship building is helpful as far as moving forward."
It's early, but chunks of that information could be invaluable for the Eagles as they move forward in the Chip Kelly era. It helped in the most recent draft as the Eagles selected defensive tackle Benny Logan (LSU) from the SEC in the third round and safety Earl Wolff (N.C. State) from the ACC in the fifth round.
Quote from: phattymatty on January 03, 2015, 12:23:38 PM
Reading the last 3 days of this thread and the repetitive arguments of people with literally zero knowledge of whats actually going on is a pretty interesting social experiment.
Was just logging in to say the exact same thing. Drama queens and armchair psychiatrists.
Settle down, monkeys.
29 years old? If that's the guy then he's a 'yes' man.
I have no problem with Howie, I think he's fine at what he does. He needs to grow a sack if he ever wants to be a GM. The first mistake he made was promising Chip the world to get him here. If he had a stronger personality he'd be running shtein and nobody would question him.
Quote from: SD on January 03, 2015, 12:48:56 PM
Quote from: MDS on January 03, 2015, 11:22:21 AM
Quote from: Rome on January 03, 2015, 11:14:33 AM
I think he changed his mind about specifically working with Roseman, not necessarily anything else. He came to the Eagles as a coach and he remains that, but if he's going to be on the hook for what happens on the field, he better be comfortable with the guys who are responsible for hiring the players he's going to be coaching.
you dont like roseman because hes a short nerdy jew...not because of anything specific he's down as a GM
there's no such thing as a roseman fan, but the vitriol toward him is completely unfounded.
What has he done as a GM to like him?
what as he done as a GM to hate him?
he did what andy told him to....had a really good draft in 12 and a pretty solid one in 13 that chip most likely controlled....since then he's been losing battles to chip. im not saying the guy is the 2nd coming of ron wolf, but to despise him is completely unwarranted.
Quote from: SD on January 03, 2015, 01:08:01 PM
29 years old? If that's the guy then he's a 'yes' man.
ooops...I should have mentioned that article is from 2013....hes 31 now I guess
Regardless of who they hire it's going to be a yes man. It'll be someone who is deep into scouting like Marynowitz who'll go with what Chip says just to have that GM title and paycheck.
This will be the most interesting offseason ever.
And don't put it past Howie to bolt if a team offers him any type of upper tier personnel spot
Sure, teams are just waiting to bust out the checkbook for the guy that got fired up the ladder and is credited with one draft for a team that can't draft defensive players.
Maybe the biggest story here is the change in Lurie. No matter what happens with Kelly, this frees him from the childhood loyalty clouding his ability to set the right structure. Roseman helped a whole lot as AR's world crumbled, and Jeff owed him for that.
Yet in family businesses the hardest part is realizing what got you here isn't going to get you there. Roseman is competent and made it harder to do this. Crazy to think it was some 48 hour epiphany for Jeff, but Howie overplaying his hand and Kelly's stature gave him the opening and to his credit he took it.
Roseman would do well to be genuinely supportive. Jeff needs Roseman's loyalty now more than ever and he's actually in a pretty good spot. Win it all and everybody points to Jeff's Solomon-like leadership of yesterday. Kelly fails and Roseman quietly looks pretty good in the wash.
I don't think we'll ever see Roseman as GM again but as consigliere or quasi "owners son" he will persist if he plays the next year correctly. He just has to remember that like Tom in the Godfather, though you may be treated as close family, you will never be family...
so many football people many of them scouts or ex scouts are pulling out the knee pads for marynowitz saying its a no brainer hire...
people LOVE this cat
Sounds like Marynowitz is going to be the guy
@EliotShorrParks: Ed Maynowitz was described as "special" by Adam Caplan on 97.5. "Matter of if, not when, he becomes a GM." Strong co-sign. #Eagles
@JohnMiddlekauff: If I owned an NFL team Ed Marynowitz would be my 1st hire. Can't imagine this will be a tough decision for Chip
the hell did this guy do to go from a nobody to the greatest thing ever overnight
Quote from: MDS on January 03, 2015, 02:19:42 PM
the hell did this guy do to go from a nobody to the greatest thing ever overnight
He got directly compared to Howie.
Look test
(http://blog.al.com/rapsheet/2009/01/small_student_emarynowitz.jpg)
(http://universalwebsites.theknot.com.s3.amazonaws.com/UniversalWebsites/PageMainImage/8722407904899192/2070087/29645216/med/prof.jpg)
I'd take her to #town
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1669874031/twitter.jpg)
Apparently he was Saban's right hand man in Bama
Cons is he's only 31
Pros is I can't find one negative thing online about the guy and he already dealt with Saban meaning he can deal with Chip
QuoteMarynowitz's high school background played a part in the Eagles selecting Bryce Brown in the 7th round of the 2012 NFL Draft, according to General Manager Howie Roseman.
"Having someone like Ed here, who was in some of those high school recruits' houses," said Roseman, "he has seen a lot of the high school tape, and it's interesting to talk to him when we get in those situations.
"Bryce is a great example of this. We went off of Bryce's tape at Tennessee, because there was no tape at Kansas State. Knowing what kind of talent he was coming out of high school, I remember watching some tape of him in high school, talking to Ed about it, and Ed and Nick (Saban) being in his house trying to recruit him (to Alabama), and how talented he was."
Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sports/eagles/Eagles-scouts-dig-deep-when-evaluating-prospects.html#4H0UiatFXW3Xctx4.99
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 03, 2015, 02:19:00 PM
@EliotShorrParks: Ed Maynowitz was described as "special" by Adam Caplan on 97.5. "Matter of if, not when, he becomes a GM." Strong co-sign. #Eagles
Strong grasp of the english language by this guy here
http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2015/01/report_ed_marynowitz_a_serious_candidate_for_new_eagles_gm_job.html
QuoteMarynowitz might have been in Kelly's camp, however, since Geoff Mosher of CSN Philly reported prior to Roseman being removed from personnel department that Marynowtiz butted heads with the now former general manager.
lol he's the one who wrote the DeSean gangster piece
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 03, 2015, 02:51:27 PM
lol he's the one who wrote the DeSean gangster piece
hes saying that maryowitz butted heads with Howie as reported by mosher
the pimp gangsta piece was good reporting at its most basic....it also misleading, ridiculous and unnecessary. BUT it was information that any other writer and any other outlet would report if they had it.
Quote from: MDS on January 03, 2015, 03:03:49 PM
the pimp gangsta piece was good reporting at its most basic....it also misleading, ridiculous and unnecessary. BUT it was information that any other writer and any other outlet would report if they had it.
it was horrible libelous disgusting and possibly racist
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 03, 2015, 03:05:53 PM
Quote from: MDS on January 03, 2015, 03:03:49 PM
the pimp gangsta piece was good reporting at its most basic....it also misleading, ridiculous and unnecessary. BUT it was information that any other writer and any other outlet would report if they had it.
it was horrible libelous disgusting and possibly racist
no doubt...but again it was information that any other outlet would've killed for. good reporting. complete and total bullshtein, but good reporting nonetheless.
the business ain't pretty....its like the political equivalent of using a picture of your opponent hugging a woman to say he's having an affair, which wins you the election. this was as big a W for nj.com and shorrs-park as there is in The Game.
there was no reporting involved in at all...much less good reporting
youre coming from it like an informed reader expecting valuable, factual information to be presented to him
its 2015, michael. wake up and smell the reality.
I expect nothing but trash from nj.com but if you think that was good reporting then theres no wonder you were covering youth soccer in texico
it was good reporting in the sense that he got something....or went after something....that nobody else did
the story being nonsense, or as you said, possibly racist is secondary. in the game today you simply gotta do it. im one of them off brand stillupfront's moms, by the way.
why anyone would think he was in a gang
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Quote from: MDS on January 03, 2015, 03:18:29 PM
it was good reporting in the sense that he got something....or went after something....that nobody else did
he got nothing...that's the whole point....it was fabricated...someone in the eagle front office said he was a gang member and he wrote a story
Quote from: MDS on January 03, 2015, 03:18:29 PM
it was good reporting in the sense that he got something....or went after something....that nobody else did
the story being nonsense, or as you said, possibly racist is secondary. in the game today you simply gotta do it. im one of them off brand stillupfront's moms, by the way.
There was nothing racist about the story. The problem I have with it is the Eagles working with the clown NJ.com writer to release it right before they released Jaccson. Despicable and dirty.
Quote from: MDS on January 03, 2015, 11:22:21 AM
Quote from: Rome on January 03, 2015, 11:14:33 AM
I think he changed his mind about specifically working with Roseman, not necessarily anything else. He came to the Eagles as a coach and he remains that, but if he's going to be on the hook for what happens on the field, he better be comfortable with the guys who are responsible for hiring the players he's going to be coaching.
you dont like roseman because hes a short nerdy jew...not because of anything specific he's down as a GM
there's no such thing as a roseman fan, but the vitriol toward him is completely unfounded.
I don't like Howie Roseman because he's an arrogant ass with no background in football matters other than checking pluses and minuses on a ledger sheet. I want a guy with actual football experience from a personnel perspective and I don't care if his name is Afrika Bambatta, John Doe or Hymie Berkowitz.
Quote from: SD on January 03, 2015, 02:34:46 PM
Look test
(http://blog.al.com/rapsheet/2009/01/small_student_emarynowitz.jpg)
(http://universalwebsites.theknot.com.s3.amazonaws.com/UniversalWebsites/PageMainImage/8722407904899192/2070087/29645216/med/prof.jpg)
I'd take her to #town
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1669874031/twitter.jpg)
Suffers from Dave Fipp disease.
Quote from: Rome on January 03, 2015, 04:46:46 PM
Quote from: MDS on January 03, 2015, 11:22:21 AM
Quote from: Rome on January 03, 2015, 11:14:33 AM
I think he changed his mind about specifically working with Roseman, not necessarily anything else. He came to the Eagles as a coach and he remains that, but if he's going to be on the hook for what happens on the field, he better be comfortable with the guys who are responsible for hiring the players he's going to be coaching.
you dont like roseman because hes a short nerdy jew...not because of anything specific he's down as a GM
there's no such thing as a roseman fan, but the vitriol toward him is completely unfounded.
I don't like Howie Roseman because he's an arrogant ass with no background in football matters other than checking pluses and minuses on a ledger sheet. I want a guy with actual football experience from a personnel perspective and I don't care if his name is Afrika Bambatta, John Doe or Hymie Berkowitz.
I was all with you when he was hired...but the non football experience ship has sailed...he commanded a highly successful nfl draft and has scouted for numerous years now....look I wont miss him but the thing about him being an accountant which I admittedly was all over at one time is no longer relevant...I like you am happy hes gone but id rather have him over chip in that position and the utter and pure hatred towards him is way over the top
I don't give a farg if the GM has football personnel experience or not. There's a whole team of scouts and personnel people working for every NFL team. The idea that Howie was personally breaking down tape and deciding who to pursue is ridiculous. Bean counting is a big part of the job. You can be a bean counter and have success, or you can be a former scout and have success, or a coach or whatever. You have to be able to handle a lot of different aspects of team business. It's not a one-dimensional job that any particular lower position can qualify you for.
Success at being a GM is more about a person's skills and instincts than their background, imho. Similar to a lot of other executive jobs where you are building an organization, not down in the weeds in every decision.
actually non monetary gm's break down tons of tape 365 days of year....howie more than most probably...it was what he was known for.....its what they do 365 days a year....its why a coach imo shouldn't also be gm...there isn't enough time
to your point of course theres a reason teams have a full PP division of scouts and the like who all give the gm input but the idea that a gm doesn't go thru tape and doesn't decide players he likes is crazy....in fact they not only go thru tape but they go in person to see players play in games and work out
It's definitely his job to make the final call on what guys they like. His guys are putting together the reports, highlighting the strengths and weaknesses, and giving him the tapes to demonstrate what they mean. Every team works a little bit differently with respect to how much power the GM has and the level of detail of his involvement in different activities. But I think the choices Howie made about who to staff his office with (and how to run it) are at least as important to the final product on the field as his decisions about what players to draft and sign. Those are the guys who shape the information he sees and they can deeply influence how he feels about any player, unless he's a megalomaniac who overrides anything he's told a la Jerry Jones.
Chip Kelly is a highly successful football coach who built a titanic college program in Oregon basically from scratch. He's now coached two teams with marginal talent to 10-6 records despite having an atrocious defense that he didn't build and quarterbacks who are either the definition of average or outright disgusting.
I'm comfortable giving that guy a shot at picking his own players and evidently some of you prefer to leave it in Howie's hands.
We'll see what happens...
Quote from: Rome on January 03, 2015, 05:51:09 PM
Chip Kelly is a highly successful football coach who built a titanic college program in Oregon basically from scratch. He's now coached two teams with marginal talent to 10-6 records despite having an atrocious defense that he didn't build and quarterbacks who are either the definition of average or outright disgusting.
I'm comfortable giving that guy a shot at picking his own players and evidently some of you prefer to leave it in Howie's hands.
We'll see what happens...
mike belotti built oregon
and chip has picked his own players for two years....this isn't his first shot
but yes we will see what happens....it wouldn't be the way id do it but we will know sooner rather than later whether chip can handle all this
The players that dominated Florida State the other night weren't Chip's?
I see.
And he may or may not have had the final say on these last two drafts but we know now for sure he'll have full say over whatever follows, so again, we'll see what happens.
Quote from: Rome on January 03, 2015, 06:23:35 PM
The players that dominated Florida State the other night weren't Chip's?
i don't understand what this has to do with anything
and if you followed the last two drafts and for that matter any players they have acquired since chips been here you would know that yes chip has had final say
You said the program was built by someone else and I pointed out the players who destroyed FSU were Kelly guys.
Not trigonometry, IGY.
so the entire oregon program was built the other night against florida state?
what the farg is wrong with you
actually if you wanna be truthful the Oregon program was really built by phil knight...but either way it happened well before chip kelly ever got there
Are you drunk?
Kelly's players, the ones he selected as the head of the Oregon program, the ones he largely recruited to play for Oregon, beat the shtein out of the defending national champions the other night.
Do you understand this? I'll use pictures instead of words since you still seem confused:
This is Chip when he coached at Oregon:
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This is Chip Kelly leading his players onto the field while he was the coach at Oregon:
(http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Chip+Kelly+Arizona+v+Oregon+EHwh-23sJqHl.jpg)
Yeah I'm not getting the igy logic on this one
You credit Bellotti and Phil Knight but not Chip??
I hope whomever Chip Kelly hires as his executive for personnel, he isn't just a yes man. I hope Chip is cool with him disagreeing on certain moves. As long as you don't have conniving backstabbers breathing down your neck, disagreements can be healthy in a front office. Provides varied opinions to get a quality consensus.
It may not matter if Chip won't move off of his stances, but it's still better than having just yes men around.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 03, 2015, 07:05:21 PM
Yeah I'm not getting the igy logic on this one
You credit Bellotti and Phil Knight but not Chip??
youre not getting it cause chip is a god to you or you don't know oregons history
the current team has chips mark on it for sure....romey said that chip built the program...oregon was good long before chip got there....a program is built over years sometimes decades
im pretty sure romey thought oregon was washington state before chip got there
Quote from: AshishPatel81 on January 03, 2015, 07:07:45 PM
I hope whomever Chip Kelly hires as his executive for personnel, he isn't just a yes man. I hope Chip is cool with him disagreeing on certain moves. As long as you don't have conniving backstabbers breathing down your neck, disagreements can be healthy in a front office. Provides varied opinions to get a quality consensus.
It may not matter if Chip won't move off of his stances, but it's still better than having just yes men around.
We will never really know one way or the other...the perception is there that it's going to be a yes man. And I agree with you that differing opinions can be healthy
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 03, 2015, 07:08:24 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 03, 2015, 07:05:21 PM
Yeah I'm not getting the igy logic on this one
You credit Bellotti and Phil Knight but not Chip??
youre not getting it cause chip is a god to you or you don't know oregons history
the current team has chips mark on it for sure....romey said that chip built the program...oregon was good long before chip got there....a program is built over years sometimes decades
im pretty sure romey thought oregon was washington state before chip got there
I certainly don't find Chip without faults but you're seemingly trying to paint him as a guy who'll make poor decisions because of his desire to focus on his culture and philosophy to build a squad. Not everything he does in the future will be awful.
He seems like a pretty smart dude so maybe he's learned from releasing a playmaker like DeSean or signing Riley Cooper when he gave him nothing of value?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 03, 2015, 07:09:54 PM
Quote from: AshishPatel81 on January 03, 2015, 07:07:45 PM
I hope whomever Chip Kelly hires as his executive for personnel, he isn't just a yes man. I hope Chip is cool with him disagreeing on certain moves. As long as you don't have conniving backstabbers breathing down your neck, disagreements can be healthy in a front office. Provides varied opinions to get a quality consensus.
It may not matter if Chip won't move off of his stances, but it's still better than having just yes men around.
We will never really know one way or the other...the perception is there that it's going to be a yes man. And I agree with you that differing opinions can be healthy
I hope Chip has it in him to go out and put some $ into the secondary. What else to save cap room for than to fix this secondary? Yes, I know they'll have to retain their own, but I'm not saying spend every dime of the cap room in free agency. It's not like Aaron Rodgers is going to hit free agency in a year and they are saving 20 million in space for him. They need a legit secondary badly, and won't go anywhere until they fix it.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 03, 2015, 07:12:22 PM
I certainly don't find Chip without faults but you're seemingly trying to paint him as a guy who will make poor decisions because of his desire to focus on his culture and philosophy to build a squad.
hes already done that....im hoping he changes
no one should have the amount of responsibilities chip has right now much less someone with as little experience and success as hes had
Quote from: AshishPatel81 on January 03, 2015, 07:21:02 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 03, 2015, 07:09:54 PM
Quote from: AshishPatel81 on January 03, 2015, 07:07:45 PM
I hope whomever Chip Kelly hires as his executive for personnel, he isn't just a yes man. I hope Chip is cool with him disagreeing on certain moves. As long as you don't have conniving backstabbers breathing down your neck, disagreements can be healthy in a front office. Provides varied opinions to get a quality consensus.
It may not matter if Chip won't move off of his stances, but it's still better than having just yes men around.
We will never really know one way or the other...the perception is there that it's going to be a yes man. And I agree with you that differing opinions can be healthy
I hope Chip has it in him to go out and put some $ into the secondary. What else to save cap room for than to fix this secondary? Yes, I know they'll have to retain their own, but I'm not saying spend every dime of the cap room in free agency. It's not like Aaron Rodgers is going to hit free agency in a year and they are saving 20 million in space. They need a legit secondary badly, and won't go anywhere until they fix it.
++ corners dont hit free agency....you can try and get lucky and scoop up a antonio cromartie because hes supposedly a bad locker room guy (culture killer) but that position rarely ever hits the market....you gotta draft properly to get a great corner
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 03, 2015, 07:23:35 PM
Quote from: AshishPatel81 on January 03, 2015, 07:21:02 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 03, 2015, 07:09:54 PM
Quote from: AshishPatel81 on January 03, 2015, 07:07:45 PM
I hope whomever Chip Kelly hires as his executive for personnel, he isn't just a yes man. I hope Chip is cool with him disagreeing on certain moves. As long as you don't have conniving backstabbers breathing down your neck, disagreements can be healthy in a front office. Provides varied opinions to get a quality consensus.
It may not matter if Chip won't move off of his stances, but it's still better than having just yes men around.
We will never really know one way or the other...the perception is there that it's going to be a yes man. And I agree with you that differing opinions can be healthy
I hope Chip has it in him to go out and put some $ into the secondary. What else to save cap room for than to fix this secondary? Yes, I know they'll have to retain their own, but I'm not saying spend every dime of the cap room in free agency. It's not like Aaron Rodgers is going to hit free agency in a year and they are saving 20 million in space. They need a legit secondary badly, and won't go anywhere until they fix it.
++ corners dont hit free agency....you can try and get lucky and scoop up a antonio cromartie because hes supposedly a bad locker room guy (culture killer) but that position rarely ever hits the market....you gotta draft properly to get a great corner
A lot of people are hyped on Byron Maxwell. I'd be lying if I said I knew how good he is. I watch Seattle play, but I don't know how to judge a guy like that playing in a secondary that ridiculously good. How would he fare if he came to the Eagles and became "the guy"
Maxwell is pretty good. I want them to get him
I'd even like to see them take a swing at getting Revis. Spend the money and lock down half the field
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 03, 2015, 07:09:54 PM
Quote from: AshishPatel81 on January 03, 2015, 07:07:45 PM
I hope whomever Chip Kelly hires as his executive for personnel, he isn't just a yes man. I hope Chip is cool with him disagreeing on certain moves. As long as you don't have conniving backstabbers breathing down your neck, disagreements can be healthy in a front office. Provides varied opinions to get a quality consensus.
It may not matter if Chip won't move off of his stances, but it's still better than having just yes men around.
We will never really know one way or the other...the perception is there that it's going to be a yes man. And I agree with you that differing opinions can be healthy
Yep - don't know if he's wired to do it, but a good move would be magnanimous in victory, going out of his way too include FO in his initial moves. He can afford it, Lurie will appreciate it and puts the onus somewhat on the promoted guy to play ball. Kelly should engineer the optics to be a "team" pick of some independent thought. The thing is his choice A, B, or C isn't
that crucial - we know who's calling the shots - but moreover its his
first move which will media-scrutinized to death whether its healing or picking the scab.
i like maxwell but havent seen nearly enough to know if hes a starting number one corner....I know hes played slot and outside and chip loves that shtein....but if hes that good seattle will keep him
Quote from: JackStraw on January 03, 2015, 07:42:37 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 03, 2015, 07:09:54 PM
Quote from: AshishPatel81 on January 03, 2015, 07:07:45 PM
I hope whomever Chip Kelly hires as his executive for personnel, he isn't just a yes man. I hope Chip is cool with him disagreeing on certain moves. As long as you don't have conniving backstabbers breathing down your neck, disagreements can be healthy in a front office. Provides varied opinions to get a quality consensus.
It may not matter if Chip won't move off of his stances, but it's still better than having just yes men around.
We will never really know one way or the other...the perception is there that it's going to be a yes man. And I agree with you that differing opinions can be healthy
Yep - don't know if he's wired to do it, but a good move would be magnanimous in victory, going out of his way too include FO in his initial moves. He can afford it, Lurie will appreciate it and puts the onus somewhat on the promoted guy to play ball. Kelly should engineer the optics to be a "team" pick of some independent thought. The thing is his choice A, B, or C isn't that crucial - we know who's calling the shots - but moreover its his first move which will media-scrutinized to death whether its healing or picking the scab.
the hire is irrelevant if chip doesn't come off his philosophy...shtein he can even hire someone who is allowed to choose what player gets picked...but if that person is regulated to choosing from a pool of players who fit perfectly to chips wants then it doesn't matter
I'd like to see them take a shot here in FA - do for the team what Troy did coming here. Then draft focus for position maybe Jalen Collins - or Rollins or Murray later rounds
im sure I will be when the nfl season ends but right now I am so far away from caring about individual players or positions....I just wanna see what kinds of guys he goes after....its gonna be a fascinating offseason
the eagles lead the league in white players....hes going to go after that
I look forward to hearing about these white cornerbacks they're going to get.
I support Kelly for the most part but the one thing we know is Howie ran or had a big hand in the 2012 draft which turned out to be great and Chip's handprints were on the last two, one of which looks ok/solid and one looks god awful.
So were Gamble's and he was thought of as a savior by some of you.
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/1/4/7489891/chip-kelly-draft-jordan-matthews-nfl-draft-2014
Sooo Marcus Smith was Howie....
Jesus how many times do we have to read about Chip wanting to overdraft a player?
I don't think Chip's GM will be a total figurehead. Whoever it is is gonna have to be on top of draft valuation, at the least.
Sounds like the Gamble firing wasn't opposed by Chip.
Mort said it was more the timing and way it went down.
@SheilKapadia: Per @mortreport, Kelly would not have fought to save Gamble, but "strongly disapproved" of manner and timing in which Roseman dismissed him.
Howie had to explain to Chip about overdrafting Matthews in the first, then he picks Marcus Smith instead?
Seriously, you can't make this shtein up.
http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2015/01/5_possibilities_for_eagles_personnel_opening.html
I don't believe any of this crap. I saw a rumor Gamble pushed to pick Smith. I'm sure he was undermining Howie and that's why he was canned.
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 04, 2015, 10:26:35 AM
Jesus how many times do we have to read about Chip wanting to overdraft a player?
I don't think Chip's GM will be a total figurehead. Whoever it is is gonna have to be on top of draft valuation, at the least.
and we pray.....cause chip seems seriously clueless on how the draft works...not just on how to rank the board but in taking good players when he does pick
He wanted Matthews in the first and Howie wanted Smith.
And you're saying Chip is the clueless one.
Matthews in the first wouldn't be a bad pick
His numbers this year prove he's worthy of a low first rounder.
if there's information to be taken seriously, it's definitely from bleeding green nation and someone named jason cole
I don't know where everyone wanted who but both buys are obvious chip picks....the whole draft was...if it makes you feel better to say howie made the worst pick then I cant stop you....but the entire draft was so obviously all chip guys...I also wont believe everything I hear from any side after all this shtein went down...its so easy to say six months later how you didn't choose any of the guys....but at the time everyone knew marcus smith was a classic chip pick and chip raved about him...could he have liked Jordan matthews better sure....so maybe it would have gone matthews then smith....does it matter?...neither of them should have been chosen
I still cant get over chip wanting taylor hart in the 3rd farging round....guy may not have been drafted at all if chip doesn't take him....luckily Howie talked him off the ledge on that one....of course chip still went head first for his adopted son which was an awful pick in its own right
well, he's no desean jackson, that's for sure.
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Well it's decided then. Because Chip talked to a guy and a pic was taken it means that he was the driving force behind the selection.
And lol at lil guy discrediting a report because it's not from a big news agency. And isn't chasing Cole with yahoo or some shtein?
But it doesn't matter bc there's photo evidence
the control freak head coach of the eagles had nothing to do with the 1st round pick....the pick that stunk....but everything to do every other smart decision that was made regarding his team
ok
Of course he's not free of blame of failure
But the reports suggest that Smith was on Howie.
Let me ask you this - why is it so important to put Smith on Chip?
its not important, but it is on him. its just called being real.
and those reports just said chip wanted matthews in the 1st....not that he didnt want smith once howie informed him of what draft value is. and thats if you want to believe some low rent nonsense from a horrible blog and some no name "insider" who probably got his info from a 7th party.
What's value if the player can play?
Matthews in the first would've been a good pick.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 04, 2015, 12:41:48 PM
What's value if the player can play?
Matthews in the first would've been a good pick.
Was just looking through the draft. Washington took Breeland right after the birds took Watkins. Watkins may still turn out decent (they should move him back to safety imo) but Breeland is already a good payer.
matthews in the 2nd wasnt even a good pick....hes milquetoast, replaceable. riley cooper would be putting up the same numbers if were in the slot facing linebackers and everyone's third best CB
chip was in love with him because he was a college grad, team captain, smoothie drinker. CULTURE
Lolololololol
Ok
Quote from: MDS on January 04, 2015, 12:47:08 PM
matthews in the 2nd wasnt even a good pick....hes milquetoast, replaceable. riley cooper would be putting up the same numbers if were in the slot facing linebackers and everyone's third best CB
chip was in love with him because he was a college grad, team captain, smoothie drinker. CULTURE
How do havas's nuts taste?
matthews is so good he couldnt beat kkkooper for a starting job and he couldnt leave the comfort of jason avant's slot position
hes a nice player....hes an nfl player....but he's not an elite or even a "great" player
Quote from: SD on January 04, 2015, 12:48:36 PM
Quote from: MDS on January 04, 2015, 12:47:08 PM
matthews in the 2nd wasnt even a good pick....hes milquetoast, replaceable. riley cooper would be putting up the same numbers if were in the slot facing linebackers and everyone's third best CB
chip was in love with him because he was a college grad, team captain, smoothie drinker. CULTURE
How do havas's nuts taste?
like crack juice
again we disagree much more of than we agree....just last night OG was talking up trey burton like he was the second coming.
Quote from: MDS on January 04, 2015, 12:50:40 PM
matthews is so good he couldnt beat kkkooper for a starting job and he couldnt leave the comfort of jason avant's slot position
hes a nice player....hes an nfl player....but he's not an elite or even a "great" player
He's better suited in the slot. You put Kkk in the slot and he doesn't post similar numbers. Matthews size and ability to use that size created mismatches in the middle of the field. Kkk is better outside because he has better open field speed. Really it's irrelevant because the Eagles don't use their slot receivers in a traditional sense.
matthews was never supposed to play anywhere but the slot so its not fair to say he couldn't beat out kkk
and trey burton will be a bust out player next season
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 04, 2015, 12:55:29 PM
matthews was never supposed to play anywhere but the slot so its not fair to say he couldn't beat out kkk
and trey burton will be a bust out player next season
anytime you can spend a 2nd round pick on a No. 3 wide out, its something you gotta do
and NO
How was he a #3 wide out? He was targeted more than Cooper. Just because you play the slot it doesn't mean you're not better than the guy playing wideout. Randall Cobb is the second best wr on the Packers yet he's mostly lined up in the slot. It's called creating mismatches.
Yep - slot WR doesn't mean #3. This ain't Az Hakim and the Rams era anymore - he's in the slot because he matches up better there.
snaps
mac - 1031
kkk - 957
matt - 769
Roob reports that Howie got a $200k annual raise - so he's making $1.7m now and his deal runs through 2020
Quote from: MDS on January 04, 2015, 01:03:25 PM
snaps
mac - 1031
kkk - 957
matt - 769
Cooper is one of the best blocking wr's in the league so that's irrelevant
He has to pleasure Lurie's ex-wife for the extra $200K, though.
CULTURE.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 04, 2015, 01:03:35 PM
Roob reports that Howie got a $200k annual raise - so he's making $1.7m now and his deal runs through 2020
Lurie guilt runs deep
I wish I could find a job where a demotion comes with 15% pay raise.
Polish Navy?
Perhaps. They have the submarines with screen doors, right?
Hey, it's not a demotion. It's a promotion that just happens to be exactly like his old job, only with fewer responsibilities.
Sounds like a great promotion to me.
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 04, 2015, 04:35:03 PM
Hey, it's not a demotion. It's a promotion that just happens to be exactly like his old job, only with fewer responsibilities.
More money and less responsibility? Sign me up.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 04, 2015, 04:02:02 PM
Perhaps. They have the submarines with screen doors, right?
LOL :-D
I like how Matthews has already been judged to be milquetoast after his rookie season having put up some really good numbers with two turnover machines throwing too him. I can see him being a thousand yard or more receiver for a lot of years.
Hardly milquetoast.
Quote from: shorebird on January 05, 2015, 08:01:40 AM
I can see him being a thousand yard or more receiver for a lot of years.
Hardly milquetoast.
23 players had more than a thousand yards receiving this year including four rookies and such game changers as anquan boldin steve smith and golden tate
farging ryan tannehill threw for over four thousand yards
its time for people to stop quoting nfl offensive numbers....they dont mean shtein
So...how should offensive players be judged then?
Look test.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 05, 2015, 09:32:21 AM
So...how should offensive players be judged then?
by how well they did for you in fanduel
Ok so statistics then...gotcha
Matthews exceeded all our expectations...here's the proof
http://www.concretefield.info/forum/index.php?topic=21719.0
He exceeded mine. I had him at 40 and was super homer with that.
i had him at 50 but partially because i thought sproles and ertz would catch a lot more balls than they did...especially sproles who was way under utilized....l also didnt expect the team to throw it as much as they did this year...i think they had like 125 more pass attempts this year than last
QuoteGeoff Mosher @GeoffMosherCSN 26s26 seconds ago
Per @RapSheet, Lions VP of pro personnel Sheldon White "expected to interview" for #Eagles new "GM" post. 18 years in DET's front office
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18 years in a front office that hasn't managed a playoff win since 1991 and only 1 since 1957.
Quote from: Rome on January 05, 2015, 12:09:59 PM
18 years in a front office that hasn't managed a playoff win since 1991 and only 1 since 1957.
and he couldnt even make it as far as director/president...seems odd
rooney rule?
Probably interviewing him to satisfy the Rooney Rule
I hope they go with the 31 year old cat
That seems like a bad choice. Cats only live until about 20.
i think he was using a street slang for person...otherwise yes, that's a very bad choice
Or a purrfect one.
haha farging Romey...that was funny
regarding marcus smith...based on the stories that came out about mathews and hart and how chip wanted them and howie talked him into waiting i have no doubt that chip wanted smith and howie couldn't tell him that he'd be there for their 2nd round pick so that's why they took him there.
Quote from: SunMo on January 05, 2015, 02:20:28 PM
regarding marcus smith...based on the stories that came out about mathews and hart and how chip wanted them and howie talked him into waiting i have no doubt that chip wanted smith and howie couldn't tell him that he'd be there for their 2nd round pick so that's why they took him there.
yeah its completely obvious....it was a taylor hart situation but chip won instead of howie....in fact maybe howie won the taylor hart argument precisely because he backed off on smith
its not coincidence that the first you hear of smith being howies guy is ten minutes after their war ends
it kills me that chips fingerprints have been all over every player not just drafted but acquired in his two years since arriving EXCEPT marcus smith...even tho everything about marcus smith fits perfectly into chips wants in a player.....i love chip but the lengths people will go to defend him are laughable
also if you wanna realize the extent of the power chip had over howie look no further than the taylor hart situation...even tho howie wins that one by talking a delusional chip out of taking him...think about what ultimately happens...does howie then jump and nab his guy?....nope....chip STILL gets josh huff there
Holy shtein who cares.
Just hope the guy picks good players and wins us a Super Bowl.
just a reminder....you can type how much you dont care one billion times if you want...thats your perogative...however its not going to cause anyone else to not care about it or to not discuess it
sound plan.
sports are important
Hahaha.
Quote from: Rome on January 05, 2015, 02:58:15 PM
Holy shtein who cares.
Just hope the guy picks good players and wins us a Super Bowl.
oooohhh....you said, "Us"!
@EliotShorrParks: Per @AdamSchefter, the #Eagles have requested permission for GM interview with KC's Chris Ballard.
Quote from: SunMo on January 05, 2015, 02:20:28 PM
regarding marcus smith...based on the stories that came out about mathews and hart and how chip wanted them and howie talked him into waiting i have no doubt that chip wanted smith and howie couldn't tell him that he'd be there for their 2nd round pick so that's why they took him there.
:boom :boom :boom :boom :boom :boom
@JasonLaCanfora: The Eagles have requested permission to interview recently promoted Green Bay exec Eliot Wolf for their personnel opening
i know nothing of his knoweldge base but you just know that would not end up well and would be classic philly....get the second rate son but never have the father
disgregarding the karma part of it you would think interest in wolf would mean that chip probably isnt very high on maryowitz
outstanding piece today by mosher...some really interesting stuff about how it seems like anyone thats ever worked with him has hated howie's guts...
QuoteAlmost a week has passed since the hammer dropped at One NovaCare Way, setting off a major demolition of the Eagles' old front-office structure.
The Eagles fired vice president of player personnel Tom Gamble on Wednesday. On Friday, Jeffrey Lurie announced sweeping changes that included coach Chip Kelly seizing control of all personnel decisions, former general manager Howie Roseman reassigned to dealing exclusively with cap management and other non-personnel matters and Kelly empowered to replace Roseman with a handpicked personnel chief.
That's some serious change in less than one week. Here's my attempt to put as much as possible in perspective:
The structure is new, but is it better?
On the day Lurie announced his massive overhaul, I wrote a column earlier in the morning that criticized the owner for his unconventional front-office structure. Even after the change, it's still unconventional.
Lurie basically gave the head coach carte blanche in personnel decisions, which is dangerous unless the coach's name is Bill Belichick. It worked well for Pete Carroll, but at least Carroll had success in the NFL and a playoff win already under his belt.
Lurie's move screams of being reactive instead of proactive. He essentially allowed Kelly to strong-arm him into overhauling his front office on the fly and then tried to soften the blow for Roseman by padding his wallet.
I have no issue with Lurie's choosing Kelly over Roseman, but the process itself is flawed. It's debatable whether Kelly deserves this much power with such little on his NFL resume and it's also unclear if Roseman is completely out of the personnel picture.
Lurie didn't actually solve the front-office dysfunction problem; he just tried to hide it by moving Roseman into a different role but also changing Roseman's title to seemingly give his longtime executive more power.
The idea that Kelly and Roseman are out of each other's way now is absurd. They still have to work together when it comes to player retention, free-agent signings and other areas where money and personnel blend.
What happens when Kelly wants to keep a player Roseman believes is overvalued?
Howie wasn't the worst GM on Earth
Despite public perceptions, Roseman performed well in many areas that were central to the job.
I've spoken to nearly a half-dozen personnel men who have worked under, with or in conjunction with Roseman and many of them vouched for his acumen in performing very specific tasks, such as preparing for the draft and free agency, managing the cap and executing other personnel transactions.
Several of these personnel folks candidly admitted that they don't like him but still said Roseman brought value to his job.
By all accounts, Roseman's work ethic is top notch, his preparation is unmatched and his talent evaluation, for a guy with no football pedigree, isn't half bad. Nobody outworks him, nobody is more prepared.
"I'm better off for having worked with Howie," said one former Eagles personnel man who also admits he has no love lost for his former boss.
Preparation helped Roseman understand how to navigate the draft, know the best value for the round and helped him be savvy in the trade market. He acquired DeMeco Ryans and Darren Sproles without giving up anything substantive.
Those who worked with him knocked his heavy reliance on analytics, although you'd expect someone without a natural scouting background to focus on the stuff he can best comprehend – hard data.
Howie's downfall was ... Howie
One major reason the NovaCare Complex became a revolving door for talented executives, according to several people who have worked under Roseman, is because working with Roseman can be unbearable, especially in times of adversity.
In the NFL, there's always adversity. No team hits on every draft pick. No team gets every player it wants. Not every team is the first to uncover the hidden gem or trend, like former college basketball players who suddenly become star tight ends.
Scouting isn't an exact science. Even great franchises like the Patriots, Steelers and Packers have made plenty of bad first-round picks and bust free-agent signings, but sources said Roseman was so driven by fear of failure that he didn't stick to the process and quickly turned on his staff when problems arose.
Roseman was also distrustful of his staff, fearing that underlings would try to climb the ladder and snatch away his job the same way he did as he worked his way up the chain for 16 years.
His paranoia either drove other talented executives away or landed them pink slips. That's why guys like Jason Licht, Marc Ross, Tom Heckert, Louis Riddick, Tom Gamble and others had short careers with the Eagles as Roseman worked his way up.
"He's not a leader," one person who worked under Roseman said. "He's an authority figure."
Ed Marynowitz is a "stud."
People who have worked with this guy absolutely love him. He's like a scouting god. Marynowitz was the architect of Nick Saban's championship teams at Alabama before Roseman got him to climb aboard in 2012 while Andy Reid was still head coach.
Marynowitz played quarterback and is known for having a good eye at that position, which is important right now for the Eagles. Makes sense that he's reportedly one of Kelly's candidates for the new "GM" job.
"I think Ed can be like Ozzie Newsome," said one person who has worked closely with Maynowitz.
Marynowitz is yet another talented Eagles personnel man who eventually crossed Roseman one too many times. Per several sources, a frost had developed between the two, and some believed Marynowitz would be next to go until last week's front-office overhaul took Roseman out of the scouting equation.
Marynowitz, just 32, doesn't have a ton of NFL front-office experience but he's spent a good deal of his past year on the road to become familiar with the scouting process at the NFL level. Sources say Marynowitz admired Gamble, so perhaps he leaned on Gamble to prepare himself for the opportunity.
Could Howie could still be an issue?
Don't laugh but several sources have wondered if Roseman's office will continue to be next to Kelly's upstairs at the NovaCare. It's an honest question.
If Roseman's office doesn't budge, some will interpret that as a sign that his power hasn't really diminished, which could impact Kelly's search for a new top personnel man.
Several personnel people have told me throughout the years that the key to sustained success is front-office harmony. Not everyone has to agree, but people must work with each other and avoid finger-pointing when bumps are in the road.
If Roseman's presence still looms large in the front office then the job may not be as attractive as it would seem.
"Who would step into that mess?" wondered a former team personnel man.
It's fair to wonder if Roseman's continued presence at the NovaCare, even in his "new" role, would influence Marynowitz to jump ship. With his league-wide reputation, Marynowitz wouldn't have a problem finding a new job.
Chip's under the gun
We've already seen indications that Kelly's personnel judgment is questionable, starting with the draft.
Jason Cole of Bleacher Report reported that Kelly wanted Jordan Matthews in the first round, but Roseman needed to convince him that Matthews would be there for the taking in the second round. Kelly admittedly wanted to use a third-round pick on Taylor Hart before Roseman explained that the former Oregon defensive linemen would be around in the fifth round.
No one single person makes a draft pick, but Kelly's fingerprints are all over the past two drafts. The team's picks are influenced by Kelly's scheme, culture and preference for specific measureables at certain positions.
Although the team's top three picks in 2013 look good – Lane Johnson, Zach Ertz, Bennie Logan – the decision to trade up for Matt Barkley in the fourth round looks like a mistake and fifth-round safety Earl Wolff has lost his luster. Obviously, the 2014 draft has been a disaster so far.
If the Eagles aren't going to lure big-time free agents anymore they'll need to be steady in the next few drafts for Kelly to succeed. If Kelly doesn't succeed, Lurie's decision to give him total power will set the franchise back another few years.
I am not surprised to hear he was an awful boss
Quote"I think Ed can be like Ozzie Newsome," said one person who has worked closely with Maynowitz.
The more I read about Maynowitz the more I think they're wasting their time interviewing other candidates
i understand if they want a veteran presence who has more league connections and experience....but the fact that they are approaching ron wolf's kid who is the same age as mary doesnt bode well for him i wouldn think
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 06, 2015, 08:57:38 AM
i know nothing of his knoweldge base but you just know that would not end up well and would be classic philly....get the second rate son but never have the father
This Wolf guy is Chip Jr though. Nothing but football since 4th grade
QuoteEliot's scouting career unofficially began at age 10, when he joined his father in film sessions at Lambeau Field.
He has also worked 22 consecutive Packers drafts (since 1993), and nine NFL scouting internships – five with the Packers, three with the Atlanta Falcons and one with the Seattle Seahawks. Wolf has attended 22 consecutive NFL scouting combines.
Those internships and prior "unofficial" experiences have provided significant knowledge. Wolf, for example, is familiar with the history of every NFL player, having prepared details for the Packers for every draft since 1993.
The 32-year-old Wolf filed his first report at age 14 for the Falcons, and has provided valuable information for the Packers' pro personnel department during previous internships.
Wolf owns a B.A. degree in creative writing from the University of Miami (Fla.), graduating in December 2003 after just 3½ years in order to begin his NFL career
C'mon he's a Hurricane that left school early for the NFL, so you know he's good
I think they're covering their bases and interviewing as many as they can even if they think Maryowitz is the guy
Igy should be IN on Ozzie Jr
I assume that every anonymous "former team personnel man" quoted over the last week is Gamble.
Probably some Joey B thrown into the mix too
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 06, 2015, 07:34:03 PM
I assume that every anonymous "former team personnel man" quoted over the last week is Gamble.
I've spoken to nearly a half-dozen personnel men who have worked under, with or in conjunction with Rosemanits what makes the article so good....its not a hit piece that references a high ranking eagle front office member (chip) or a former member of the personell dept (gamble)....it also doesnt just kill howie...it praises him as well....and it hits at chip too...i wish more of the hacks that covered the team put out stuff as good as this
I want lil guy to get a job covering the eagles so we have the real inside info
I'd like a reporter to either quote his or her source directly, by name, or find something else to do with his or her life. Like juggling viles of Ebola, for instance.
I don't think we'll ever find out who Deep Throw really is.
Zing!
Quote from: General_Failure on January 06, 2015, 07:45:43 PM
I don't think we'll ever find out who Deep Throw really is.
We know who it isn't
Mark Sanchez
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 06, 2015, 07:38:11 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 06, 2015, 07:34:03 PM
I assume that every anonymous "former team personnel man" quoted over the last week is Gamble.
I've spoken to nearly a half-dozen personnel men who have worked under, with or in conjunction with Roseman
its what makes the article so good....its not a hit piece that references a high ranking eagle front office member (chip) or a former member of the personell dept (gamble)....it also doesnt just kill howie...it praises him as well....and it hits at chip too...i wish more of the hacks that covered the team put out stuff as good as this
Sure. I'm not saying the article is wrong. And this isn't the only piece that has used multiple sources. But it seems like there's been only one source who has been allowing himself to be directly quoted in all these stories -- mostly saying harsh stuff -- and they've all had similar descriptions to "former personnel exec". I just think it's funny when an anonymous source doesn't seem very anonymous.
this article was clearly multiple sources...that's what seperates it from the pieces who obviously got one line from chip (marcus smith wasn't me) and ran a hit piece on howie
QuoteAdam Schefter @AdamSchefter 10m10 minutes ago
Eagles requested GM interviews with Miami's Chris Grier, Jacksonville's Chris Polian and Houston's Brian Gaine, per sources.
im not giving up my illustrious property management and part time freelancer career to cover some POS football team. get real.
the mosher story is actually pretty good and fair. but
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 06, 2015, 07:38:11 PM
its not a hit piece that references a high ranking eagle front office member (chip)
no...chip is worse than hinkie. he doesnt talk to anyone, let alone geoff mosher.
Worse or better?
He talks to Angelo.
And then is sarcastic as hell with McLane "is that some smart ass answer?" lolol
the head coach no matter who it is has to go on with angelo once a week as part of the braodcast rights deal
What an awful deal.
Jax granted permission to talk to Polian and Houston granted permission to talk to Gaine. No word on Chip Wolf Jr
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 07, 2015, 09:51:40 AM
He talks to Angelo.
And then is sarcastic as hell with McLane "is that some smart ass answer?" lolol
Never thought I'd miss the phrase "Times yours" followed by the throat clear.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 07, 2015, 09:53:10 AM
the head coach no matter who it is has to go on with angelo once a week as part of the braodcast rights deal
def. possibility chip backs out of that this year, somehow
they wont want him on once he takes a white defensive tackle from oregon in the first round
i think this sums up howie
Quote"He could tell you that a guy would go in the second round - he couldn't tell you if that player would be good," a former team employee said.
sounds like about 28 of the gm's in the league....cept chip who has no clue who should go where or when
Scot McCloughan not only know if they'll be good he knows what their exact stat lines will be each week!
mcloughlan has won 100 super bowls and hes been in the league for 5 seasons
hes THAT good
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 10, 2015, 03:22:04 PM
Scot McCloughan not only know if they'll be good he knows what their exact stat lines will be each week!
probably not but I bet he knew taylor hart shouldnt have been drafted much less in the 3rd round
You're gonna make me comb through his picks aren't you?
AREN'T YOU?!?!?
Quote from: MDS on January 10, 2015, 03:16:18 PM
i think this sums up howie
Quote"He could tell you that a guy would go in the second round - he couldn't tell you if that player would be good," a former team employee said.
Heard Sal pal and Roob say something similar. No doubt Rosemsn tries as hard as anyone but effort can only take you so far.
Houston promoted Gaine
Licht said GTFO when they tried to talk to Dir of Player Personnel Jon Robinson (12 yrs with the Pats)
Nobody outside the organization is gonna take this job. Pretty sure Chip is just fishing for info on how other teams do stuff
I hope he really thinks hard about giving the spot to Howie.
Re-hire Banner!!
still cant believe chip moved two lifetime assistant coaches who are old as shtein to the scouting department....i hope to god be proves me 100% wrong but i am absolutely petrified as what is going on with the PP wing of the franchise and the upcoming draft
Nothing can be as bad as the 2011 draft. NOTHING!
It's all up from here.
2011 is in the books already so it cant be better right now...but 2014 has a chance to pass it as a worse draft
if all of 2014 flops except matthews then you have to say that kelce wins a head up battle with matthews for better pick and thus 2011 > 2014
mosher reported today that the biggest concern with potential GM candidates is that they can see chip going back to college coaching in the next couple of years
That would concern them? Then they would be the GM and free of his oppressive reign of culture and smoothies.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 20, 2015, 04:08:23 PM
That would concern them? Then they would be the GM and free of his oppressive reign of culture and smoothies.
for real?
the only thing worse than taking a figurehead position would be taking a figurehead position right before a regime change....especially with howie lurking...their front office is an absolutely disaster right now
lol
Looks like he's going back to SF
you can get with this...
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or you can get with that...
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QuoteAlmost any transition of power, even a peaceful one, will have bumpy phases. But the perception that the Eagles are a hostile, divided organization was cited by several NFL sources as one reason why Kelly has yet to find a new GM.
One of the candidates, when asked why he didn't want to interview for the position, said that he wanted to work for an organization where the coach, GM, and owner were all on the same page. Kelly, Roseman, and Lurie have yet to answer questions or, at the very least, present a unified front.
The new GM, if he even gets that title, will report to Kelly. That is the primary reason why rising talents like the Texans' Brian Gaine and the Buccaneers' Jon Robinson chose to stay with their respective teams. The Seahawks' Scott Fitterer, another possible candidate, is also unlikely to take a job with little authority.
C'mon. There are 100 personnel guys in the NFL who would get castrated in exchange for a chance at any GM job. Half the league is more dysfunctional than the Eagles. Attracting qualified GM candidates is the least of their worries.
Coming to the job you know Chip's going to be all over you. Big deal. Most of the guys coming from lower positions in organizations are used to that. I think the main red flag in coming to the Eagles would be whether or not that sour-as-farg Roseman guy with no clearly defined role is going to be trying to pull me in a different direction all the time while I'm trying to work with Chip. I think the Eagles can easily avoid that by reiterating that Roseman doesn't have final say over things, but it's a concern.
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lol
How long have you been sitting on that graphic?
Haha
Hahaha
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 24, 2015, 10:07:29 AM
C'mon. There are 100 personnel guys in the NFL who would get castrated in exchange for a chance at any GM job
negative on that...eagles job is poison right now
Not really.
i know it burns but trust me it is
agents reporters personnel people executives have all said that its a mess and they have no idea what is going on at novacare
I don't put much stock in the agents and reporters talking.
The local guys are getting sour grapes because they get no information from anyone inside NovaCare. So when I read McLane's piece today I shrug most of it off because I believe the agents he's talking to also have a bone to pick so they'll drop some pissy quotes and of course the writers eat that up.
that has nothing to do with anything
agents have their own agendas....but really they just want to get their clients paid. they would negotiate with a polar bear if it was the route to getting caked.
but the reason chip has struck out on his candidates is because nobody wants to go to be his errand boy. nobody knows what the farg is going on there because its defcon silence and shady chip giving out his number like he's going to talk numbers. but wait, its your favorite team so its all happy and perfect and everyone is awesome!
This is a guy who leaves nothing to chance, who is fanatically prepared for all contingencies, etc. Do you clowns honestly believe he is just winging it here? Seriously??
Get a hold of yourselves. Jesus.
Quote from: Rome on January 24, 2015, 12:59:27 PMDo you clowns honestly believe ...
Hippos believe anything that will foment disagreement and win them and their idiotic "belief" attention. You know this.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 24, 2015, 12:00:40 PM
I don't put much stock in the agents and reporters talking.
yeah ya do but only if they are saying good things about the eagles
you live off quoting reporters on twitter
anyway any clear headed person can see they are a bit of a mess right now...I just brought up everyone else saying it because you obviously aren't going to take my word for it
Quote from: Rome on January 24, 2015, 12:59:27 PM
This is a guy who leaves nothing to chance, who is fanatically prepared for all contingencies, etc. Do you clowns honestly believe he is just winging it here? Seriously??
Get a hold of yourselves. Jesus.
I don't think hes winging it...I think hes in over his head....and its not just him....this is all too much for almost anyone....but you believing in him goes to my point yesterday about how the cult of chip got a super strong pimp hand
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2015, 02:53:41 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 24, 2015, 12:00:40 PM
I don't put much stock in the agents and reporters talking.
yeah ya do but only if they are saying good things about the eagles
you live off quoting reporters on twitter
anyway any clear headed person can see they are a bit of a mess right now...I just brought up everyone else saying it because you obviously aren't going to take my word for it
No I discount the reporters and agent talk because I know how that game is played.
Twitter is a news gathering source for me. Kinda like a real time redzone.org
So yeah I read it but it's easy to sift through the puff pieces and hit pieces and see what's up. Twitter actually helps you see when someone is slanted and jaded (uncle Les Bowen for example)
translation: you love the stuff on twitter than puts the eagles in a good light and the rest of it is the game being played....and you 100% ignore what your own eyes see
I think your translator is broken.
2nd interview scheduled with Chris Polian
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 31, 2014, 03:49:26 PM
as much as i dont like howie id much rather have him choosing players than chip.....and chip deserves to lose power after the last year
this is also the beginning of the end of chip Kelly as eagle head coach
Said he has nothing to do with the firing and he loves Gamble - Howie has tire marks all over his ass today.
Lurie said that his firing was "a long time coming"
Wish he would have elaborated.
those tire marks you were talking are on chips forehead
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 11, 2015, 01:55:51 PM
chip said he loves Gamble
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 24, 2015, 03:44:24 PM
Lurie said that his firing was "a long time coming"
how could it be a long time coming when he was there for like five minutes
Maybe he shat on Lurie's carpet? Made a pass at Yoko Lurie?
Made disparaging remarks about Boston
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 24, 2015, 04:51:52 PM
Maybe he shat on Lurie's carpet? Made a pass at Yoko Lurie?
Yoko Owner, dummy.
^ Solid A- ^
maybe he was undermining howie from day 1 and gunning for his job (not maybe, definitely)
chip could care less about that....in fact he probably loved it.....but lurie saw it as insubordination and axed him?
lol Yoko Owner
And lil guy could be right. Don't nobody put Howie in a corner otherwise Jeffrey will get ticked
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 24, 2015, 07:57:19 PM
lol Yoko Owner
And lil guy could be right. Don't nobody put Howie in a corner otherwise Jeffrey will get ticked
you mean nobody puts howie in the corner but jeffrey.
Rick Mueller's old job
Quote@caplannfl: Former #Bears associate director of pro personnel Dwayne Joseph is expected to join #Eagles as director of pro personnel, source said.
@caplannfl: Bears tried hard to keep him, but he chose to seek a better opportunity elsewhere.
@caplannfl: Joseph and Eagles VP of player personnel Ed Marynowitz worked with the #Dolphins together for one season (in 2007).