Quote"Moving up and mortgaging your future for a receiver does not make sense, but I'd do it for a quarterback," a general manager from another team said. "I don't know if Mariota would be worth it, but he might be for Chip because the hardest part at quarterback is the learning curve. Mariota would be seamless in Philadelphia."
To be clear, Mariota landing in Philly is a long shot, to the point that I was initially skeptical about engaging the subject at all. But as I gathered insights from coaches and executives around the league on the subject, I realized this was an interesting exercise whether or not the Eagles go down that path. And there is plenty of logic as to how and why such a move could come together.
The Eagles could be picking in the middle 20s or later, and Mariota is in the conversation as the No. 1 overall pick if he comes out. Bridging such a wide gap would come at a steep price
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No shot.
Give up an RGIII type ransom and sink the franchise? No.
the franchise is already sunk...you aint winning with nicky foles and marcos sanchize
shady + 3 1's + 3 2's....IN
admittedly don't know shtein about the dude. however i'm not giving up a whole lot of anything unless he's another luck. on the other hand the way the iggs like to roast away draft picks... they probably wouldn't be giving up on much talent to move up anyway.
This thread should really be in the "Rest of the NFL" section, unless this is a Bucs board now.
Also, consider me a nonbeliever that drafting this dude would suddenly make Chip's offense start hanging 60 points on NFL teams every week, like Oregon playing Cal. He's just the latest in a long line of CF savior QBs from college, including Matt Barkley and Teddy Bridgewater. The Eagles likely won't be bad enough to draft a worldbeater QB for the next few years anyway. If they somehow manage to win the SB, it'll be with a "good enough" QB from the mid rounds who will be inconsistent enough that CF will still bitch about him every other week and create threads about ungettable college players.
I wouldn't give up more than 2 firsts, a second and maybe a later pick. It ain't happening no matter how much Chip whines to Howie. In hindsight we should have drafted Manziel.
Quote from: LBIggle on November 17, 2014, 03:56:52 AMadmittedly don't know shtein about the dude. however i'm not giving up a whole lot of anything unless he's another luck.
He's a smarter, less bulky version of Kaepernick, but his main drawback is that he ran read option in high school and at Oregon, so he's never really run a traditional under-center offense
chip's aaron rodgers gushing leads me to believe he at some juncture in the game was like
"i need that"
well, here's that
Was it the point in the game where he stared dead-eyed across the field without blinking for twenty seconds?
If they had Mariota they still would have lost. What they need is to build a great defense and trading away multiple high picks is exactly the wrong way to accomplish that goal. Pissing away your future on one player is a colossally stupid idea.
Close this abortion of a thread.
I like the direction this going in.
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 17, 2014, 11:18:50 AM
but his main drawback is that he ran read option in high school and at Oregon, so he's never really run a traditional under-center offense
chips ideal offense
is a read option offense so that would actually be a positive...in fact thats the main reason you go after mariota
hes also essentially the same size as kapernick and should actually end up being bigger once he gets older and starts hitting the smoothies and nfl weight programs
that said this is a silly thread....hes not nearly a good enough prospect to do a ricky williams type deal (with more 1's in it) which is what it would take to get him
they're not getting him. you might as well open a new thread with peyton manning as the subject.
they are going to try to get him....they have to
they know they need a franchise qb and they know its not lil picky foles
theres a difference between knowing you need one and trading 8 draft picks for a guy who probably has a 50/50 chance at best to be one
its not like they do anything with the draft picks anyway
marcus smith josh huff zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
They're more likely to try to deal for some retread like RGKnee rather than give up the better part of 2-3 drafts.
its well past the point of being highly unlikely, but its something to consider
again, they just saw what rodgers did to them. chip loves belichik and jeffy would buy the patriots if he could. they want to be THAT. to be that, they'd need a brady. they believe they have their coach. just need that qb.
if they were picking 7th or 8th is would be highly unlikely but def "something to consider"
the fact that they will probably be in the 20's makes it a beyond ludicrous thing to consider
what is shady worth
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 18, 2014, 07:44:23 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 17, 2014, 11:18:50 AM
but his main drawback is that he ran read option in high school and at Oregon, so he's never really run a traditional under-center offense
chips ideal offense is a read option offense so that would actually be a positive...in fact thats the main reason you go after mariota
I meant meant drawback for the teams picking in the top 10-15, not ours. The other thing is that most of those teams already have a QB they're building around
Current draft order as of now:
01 = Oakland = Carr
02 = Jacksonville = Bortles
03 = Tampa Bay = Glennon (although I could see them going for Winston)
04 = Tennessee = Mettenberger? Or do they go Mariota here?05 = N.Y. Jets = Geno (for now)
06 = Washington = RG3 or Cousins...who knows
07 = N.Y. Giants = They'll still have Eli for a few more years and need help elsewhere
08 = Carolina = Cam
09 = Minnesota = Teddy B
10 = New Orleans = Brees
11 = Chicago = Cutler
12 = St. Louis = Potentially a spot for Mariota if they give up on Bradford and aren't 100% set on Davis
13 = Houston = Another potential spot unless they really like Mallett14 = Cleveland (from BUF) = Football (or do they stick with Hoyer and trade Johnny?)
15 = Cleveland = see above
16 = Baltimore = Flacco
17 = Miami = Tannehill
18 = San Diego = Rivers
19 = San Francisco = Kaep
20 = Seattle = Wilson
21 = Atlanta* = Ryan
22 = Indianapolis* = Luck
23 = Pittsburgh* = Ben
24 = Cincinnati* = ginger
25 = Dallas* = Romo
26 = EAGLES*
Do I think Mariota falls all the way to #26? Hell no, but I don't think there's going to be a huge demand to trade up for him
Quote from: MDS on November 18, 2014, 12:27:55 PM
what is shady worth
you seen him play this year?
good young rb's are devalued in todays nfl....good older backs have zero value (zero value in terms of moving up in the first round)
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 18, 2014, 12:39:32 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 18, 2014, 07:44:23 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 17, 2014, 11:18:50 AM
but his main drawback is that he ran read option in high school and at Oregon, so he's never really run a traditional under-center offense
chips ideal offense is a read option offense so that would actually be a positive...in fact thats the main reason you go after mariota
I meant meant drawback for the teams picking in the top 10-15, not ours. The other thing is that most of those teams already have a QB they're building around
Do I think Mariota falls all the way to #26? Hell no, but I don't think there's going to be a huge demand to trade up for him
ah gotcha
tough to make a definitive statement on any propect before they go thru the offseason but i see little to no chance mariota doesnt go top 5...
also on your list of teams you are being very kind to the eagles in describing some of their qb situations...geno is basically finished or certainly not an impediment to taking a qb....ginats would easily take one....and st louis and houston are 100% looking for a franchise qb
jacksonville needs an RB...they would definitely welcome shady. in my dream scenario, they have the 1 and take him. then add in like the 1's and 2's from like the next 3 years.
who says no?
they would welcome shady for a like a 5th round pick
and you are insane to give up number ones and twos until 2018....MM has decent bust potential
i just want a great qb, for once
once
no one does more than me....but you gotta be realistic
Just throwing this out there
Does Atlanta stick with Matt Ryan? I know he's not the prototypical mobile type we all envision but he's almost 30 and Atlanta can't be happy with what they have this season. He'd do well in a QB friendly offense like the Eagles.
Shady is worth basically nothing at this point. Large contract, mileage, and he's a running back. You're getting zero of substance for him.
Plus the Trent Richardson trade contributed to gun shyness on trading anything of significance.
As for Matt Ryan I think he's got a huge contract right?
Plus he's not shown he can win in the playoffs.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 18, 2014, 04:19:57 PM
As for Matt Ryan I think he's got a huge contract right?
Plus he's not shown he can win in the playoffs.
Who cares about his contract...one more reason Atlanta might trade him for cheap
Shady ain't bringing the birds a whole lot. Damn shame. Maybe he has a bounce back season but they need help at RB. Sproles is a niche player and Polk is average and always injured.
Matt Ryan would leave the Falcons with $33 mil in dead money next year. He's not going anywhere until 2016.
Ed's list was his most unintentionally funny post in a while. Seriously folks, there are 5 or 6 teams that would definitely take Mariota well before any draft pick the Eagles could even consider trading up for. If you want this guy on the Eagles you'll have to wait 4 years until he's allowed to walk by a team that doesn't have a clue how to run the read-option properly.
Quote from: QB Eagles on November 18, 2014, 05:46:54 PM
Ed's list was his most unintentionally funny post in a while. Seriously folks, there are 5 or 6 teams that would definitely take Mariota well before any draft pick the Eagles could even consider trading up for. If you want this guy on the Eagles you'll have to wait 4 years until he's allowed to walk by a team that doesn't have a clue how to run the read-option properly.
come on man the jets have geno smith
Quote from: Rome on November 18, 2014, 08:06:11 AM
they're not getting him. you might as well open a new thread with peyton manning as the subject.
GET MANNING!!!
I said "for now" on Geno. If the Jets think either guy is a franchise QB, I think they'll consider it, especially if Rex's replacement is an offensive-minded coach that wants to run read option
I think Geno is done in NY. I understand it was Rex's decision probably and that he may not be there next year, but once you go to Vick I don't see how you go back to Geno (same with EJ in Buffalo).
http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2014/11/eagles_drafting_marcus_mariota_reunion_with_chip_kelly_would_be_unbelievable_says_former_oregon_dc.html
Interesting tidbit about the other teams trying to hire Aliotti
As for Mariota...I was thinking today about teams who give up a shtein ton of picks to jump up high to take one player. Someone was talking about the Griffin deal and it got me thinking has any team who gave up a lot for one player ever succeeded with that deal? They're crippling to franchises.
Ricky Williams deal
Griffin deal
Julio Jones deal
Sammy Watkins deal
I'm leaving a few out but rarely if ever is it a good idea to blast away your entire draft for one dude.
What's the difference between blowing your draft for one dude vs. drafting pathetically like the eagles? What's more crippling?
They haven't been horrific but it could be better.
But I'd take the chance to build depth and have good young talent versus blowing it all on one guy. Even if that one hits then you've still lessened your depth.
julio jones was a good deal so was sammy watkins....neither took a whole draft to acquire and both are elite guys that were worth it
the others not so much....I don't think it an either or thing...gotta take each deal on an individual basis
I don't think Jones or Watkins was worth it.
Buffalo could've stayed put and took ODB Jr
20/20 vision makes every move negative
The Watkins deal was bad because the Bills weren't close to seriously competing and giving up another first to get a WR in what was known to be an elite WR draft seemed short sighted. I think Watkins is great but that was a really steep price to pay. It just seemed like a move to put a team over the top, not one to hopefully get you competitive.
You don't give up that much for a WR I don't care who it is. Look at the last 10 teams to win a Superbowl, did any of them have a WR you'd consider top 5 in the league...even top 10? A QB is a different story because they can turn an average WR into a top flight guy. Just look at what Brady's done with Edelman and Lafell...or Peyton's done with Emmanuel Sanders who was pedestrian last year. You give that much up for an Andrew Luck, not for a Julio Jones.
I would give up two ones right now for the birds to have a great WR
And that's why you're not a gm
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 25, 2014, 08:02:57 PM
I would give up two ones right now for the birds to have a great WR
I wouldn't but I would for a QB.
The Eagles WRs are good enough to win a Super Bowl (probably - as SD said, New England has the best offense in the NFL and they start Edelman and LaFell, neither of whom are nearly as good as Maclin).
The Eagles QBs are not. So I'd trade two firsts (maybe more) for a QB though.
you wouldnt trade marcus smith and lane johnson for calvin johnson?
That's not really a fair question because Marcus Smith looks like an all-time bad 1st round pick right now.
If the question is whether I'd trade Lane Johnson and Fletcher Cox for CJ right now, the answer is probably not, no.
The bigger point as I think you've said multiple times this year, the Eagles need more pieces before they're seriously threatening to win the SB. Does someone like Julio Jones put them over the top? I doubt it. It would make the offense better obviously but I think the Eagles with a top 5 QB are a legit threat to win the SB right now. I don't know that that's true if you put a top 5 WR on the team.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 25, 2014, 08:18:42 PM
you wouldnt trade marcus smith and lane johnson for calvin johnson?
I would trade Danny Watkins Brandon Graham Nate Allen and Jaqwan Jarrett for Golden Tate
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on November 25, 2014, 08:22:08 PM
That's not really a fair question because Marcus Smith looks like an all-time bad 1st round pick right now.
If the question is whether I'd trade Lane Johnson and Fletcher Cox for CJ right now, the answer is probably not, no.
The bigger point as I think you've said multiple times this year, the Eagles need more pieces before they're seriously threatening to win the SB. Does someone like Julio Jones put them over the top? I doubt it. It would make the offense better obviously but I think the Eagles with a top 5 QB are a legit threat to win the SB right now. I don't know that that's true if you put a top 5 WR on the team.
lane johnson is amazingly vanilla and super replaceable...and i like fletcher cox but his impact on the team isn't even close to what pimp did for them last year.....chip is an offensive guy....load the farg up on that side of the ball....a top notch number 1 wr would be so good right now
I think the OLine for this team is critical and I haven't noticed Lane giving up pressure since he's gotten in.
Not arguing that a top flight WR would be nice, but Cox is one of the better 3-4 DEs in football, and Johnson is a young, talented, and producing tackle right now.
I'd just try to save as many assets as possible to go after a QB. RG3 should be available this offseason, making all your dreams come true.
I wouldn't call Johnson easily replaceable.
After seeing how badly teams struggle with finding solid OTs I'm happy they took him. I wasn't for the vanilla pick at the time but am thankful now they took him.
He doesn't get whipped often and is better than Fisher. Bet KC would take Lane on a re-draft
hes fine...but he is easily replaceable...in fact he was for the first month of the season
I wojkdng say easily...the turnstiles they had out there were rough to watch
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 25, 2014, 08:28:20 PM
I wouldn't call Johnson easily replaceable.
After seeing how badly teams struggle with finding solid OTs I'm happy they took him. I wasn't for the vanilla pick at the time but am thankful now they took him.
He doesn't get whipped often and is better than Fisher. Bet KC would take Lane on a re-draft
Fisher and Joeckel have both been pretty bad.
Good call on Joeckel too.
Matthews hasn't been great in ATL either. He's been decent but not the rock they expected.
be honest
if they moved herremans to tackle would anyone really notice
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 25, 2014, 08:35:24 PM
Good call on Joeckel too.
Matthews hasn't been great in ATL either. He's been decent but not the rock they expected.
sounds a lot like lane johnson
Johnson has been like a ghost which is good. Don't hear his name called.
Herremans is a solid player too.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 25, 2014, 08:38:08 PM
Johnson has been like a ghost which is good. Don't hear his name called.
exactly
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 25, 2014, 08:35:45 PM
be honest
if they moved herremans to tackle would anyone really notice
yes. He is much better at guard than tackle and he's the only (when healthy) serviceable backup tackle the Eagles have.
I actually had pretty low expectations for Johnson to start and figured he'd grow into the system because he's athletic but hadn't played the line much. I haven't noticed him whatsoever which is a compliment. All of the pressure seems to be coming up the middle (by Tobin recently). Can't remember the last time I watched anything where anyone pointed out Lane getting beaten or being out of place.
He's not Peters, who I love and is amazing, but for his age and experience he's been pretty damn good.
nothing has changed from games 1-4 to games 5-11
however put a big time wr in place of kkk or even mack and your attention will be perked
Yep.
RG with Tobin and even that goofball Gardnener has been the spot where the pressure is coming from.
Lane has been very good
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 25, 2014, 08:43:19 PM
nothing has changed from games 1-4 to games 5-11
however put a big time wr in place of kkk or even mack and your attention will be perked
LeSean McCoy yards per carry weeks 1-4 = 2.7
LeSean McCoy yards per carry weeks 5-11 = 4.5
Seems like something's changed.
the season shifted on lane johnsons return....im not sure what they would do without him
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 25, 2014, 08:50:42 PM
the season shifted on lane johnsons return....im not sure what they would do without him
you said nothing has changed weeks 1-4 / 5-11 - they're running the ball much better (and it's not just the defenses they played since they couldn't run the ball early in the year against some pretty horrible run defenses).
Obviously running the ball is heavily dependent upon your line. See: Cowboys, Dallas. Lane has been a solid piece in helping to fix the run game some as the year has gone on. Don't think anyone is overpraising him here to say he's been good through 1.5 years (as he should be as a top 5 pick).
it has nothing to do with lane johnson
two weeks ago people were burying shady
and i agree hes solid....but thats kinda my point
And a solid OT in the NFL is a desirable thing to have. You've seen enough ball to know what poor protection can do.
Give me Lane Johnson as the fourth pick versus a who's who list of guys they shuffle in and out trying to find a good player.
cant believe you are all in on an eagle player
Football is and has always been won on the line of scrimmage. Know why Dallas won the other night? Had nothing to do with Dez Bryant and everything to do with the 10 seconds the Dallas o line gave to Romo to find an open receiver
so the eagles should upgrade at RT?
Quote from: SD on November 25, 2014, 09:14:29 PM
Football is and has always been won on the line of scrimmage. Know why Dallas won the other night? Had nothing to do with Dez Bryant and everything to do with the 10 seconds the Dallas o line gave to Romo to find an open receiver
it had more to do with the bullshtein fumble not being overturned and odb's insane catch than anything
having a good oline helps, but significant talent in the passing game is far more important.
It's done wonders for the Bears
Quote from: MDS on November 25, 2014, 09:25:14 PM
having a good oline helps, but significant talent in the passing game is far more important.
especially in todays nfl
Quote from: SD on November 25, 2014, 09:26:01 PM
It's done wonders for the Bears
the bears o-line is not the reason they suck
defense....coaching...scheme...jay cutler....jay cutler pouting....the culture......i could go on
yeah no team with jay cutler is ever winning anything
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 25, 2014, 09:31:26 PM
yeah no team with jay cutler is ever winning anything
You used to love Jay Cutler
Atlanta blows too...Matt Ryan...defense...coaching...Matt Ryan I suppose
nobody is saying o-line isnt important....just in the nfl now
1. qb
2. wrs
3. coaching
4. everything else
Quote from: SD on November 25, 2014, 09:35:10 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 25, 2014, 09:31:26 PM
yeah no team with jay cutler is ever winning anything
You used to love Jay Cutler
Atlanta blows too...Matt Ryan...defense...coaching...Matt Ryan I suppose
I loved his arm....but hes a pos....I used to love the bedwetter too
and yes matt ryan is also garbage
Three more pages on this? They're playing the farging Cowboys for the division lead in two days and all you jackasses can yammer on about is a guy they have less than zero percent of acquiring.
Just incredible.
dont discuss sports everyone
romey said so
Discuss sports badly. Say linemen unimportant. Cite Carolina and Washington as examples.
wash off line was pretty good two years ago when the qb could play
Quote from: Rome on November 25, 2014, 09:39:01 PM
Three more pages on this? They're playing the farging Cowboys for the division lead in two days and all you jackasses can yammer on about is a guy they have less than zero percent of acquiring.
Just incredible.
the eagles will keep doing what they do until they get a top 10 qb
mariota might be a top 10 qb
ensue discussion BUT WAIT romey gonna cry first wahhh wahhh wahhh
What's the rent like on somebody's nuts, MDS? Pretty good?
Quote from: General_Failure on November 25, 2014, 09:48:14 PM
What's the rent like on somebody's nuts, MDS? Pretty good?
Lolol
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 25, 2014, 07:17:33 PM
I was thinking today about teams who give up a shtein ton of picks to jump up high to take one player. Someone was talking about the Griffin deal and it got me thinking has any team who gave up a lot for one player ever succeeded with that deal? They're crippling to franchises.
Ricky Williams deal
Griffin deal
Julio Jones deal
Sammy Watkins deal
I'm leaving a few out but rarely if ever is it a good idea to blast away your entire draft for one dude.
The Eli deal worked out for the Giants. #1 for #4 (Rivers), #65 (Nate Kaeding), #12 the following year (Shawne Merriman) and Roman Oben
Both of the Foles backup deals were pretty bad too:
Vick (#1 for #5 (Tomlinson), #67 (Tay Cody), #48 the following year (Reche Caldwell) and Tim Dwight)
Sanchez (#5 for #17 (Josh Freeman), #52 (David Veikune), Kenyon Coleman, Brett Ratliff and Abram Elam)
No way am I giving up very much to draft a WR. With the way the rules favor receivers these days, there's no sense in paying a King's ransom to move to the top of the draft when you can probably stay put (or even trade back) and still find a more than adequate receiver.
how many lane johnsons would you like these days?
Quote from: General_Failure on November 25, 2014, 09:48:14 PM
What's the rent like on somebody's nuts, MDS? Pretty good?
Holy shtein! :-D
Quote from: MDS on November 25, 2014, 09:25:14 PM
Quote from: SD on November 25, 2014, 09:14:29 PM
Football is and has always been won on the line of scrimmage. Know why Dallas won the other night? Had nothing to do with Dez Bryant and everything to do with the 10 seconds the Dallas o line gave to Romo to find an open receiver
it had more to do with the bullshtein fumble not being overturned and odb's insane catch than anything
having a good oline helps, but significant talent in the passing game is far more important.
And the fact the Giants grew a vagina and weren't blitzing the living daylights out of Romo. They should have had people beating the farg out of him all game.
Quote from: hbionic on November 25, 2014, 07:18:54 PM
What's the difference between blowing your draft for one dude vs. drafting pathetically like the eagles? What's more crippling?
poty
do what you gotta do
It worked for the Skins.
mark sanchez and nick foles are working for the eagles
bob3 was already damaged goods coming in and he plays for a really bad organization.
He'd probably be a top 5-6 QB in the league for years if he didn't go to that abortion of a team. And I don't think his woe is me everyone hates me mcnabb attitude will allow him to ever be great again. tough luck bob.
Mariota was live on the local CBS radio station this afternoon, first time I'd heard him other than a few ESPN snippets. He seems like a very articulate and humble person.
Up until that post I assumed he was a white guy.
shady to the colts for their 1
eagles 1 and colts 1 to the panthers/saints/giants for their 1
use that pick to lead the package to get MM
give me your other stupid, nonsensical trade scenarios.
Three team trade. Eagles give up Foles and Sanchez to the taterskins, taterskins give up Griffin and a sixth round pick to the Rams, Rams give up Bradford to the Eagles.
MDS, does trading away Marcus Smith count as trading away a #1?
Eagles trade Chip to Oakland for their #1.
Chip then resigns à la Bill Belichick.
Mustachioed man of mystery Skip Kelster is announced as the new head coach of the Eagles. He also wears a cowboy hat and a monacle.
"he's everything you want"
-chip
he's not mark sanchez
It's bad I wish Foles was back...in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter and they still lose tonight but he's less painful to watch
Less than zero percent chance they get Mariota.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 15, 2014, 12:00:51 AM
Less than zero percent chance they get Mariota.
C'mon Phreak, that's overly pessimistic. There's exactly zero percent chance they get Mariota.
Less than zero. Chip's prepared to show up at this kid's house and piss on his mother should he be available when they're picking.
jax/ten LOSER gets the 1
jax doesnt want a qb and whisenhunt doesnt run the kind of offense mariota would do well in -- foles does
stop your negativity
Look what it took Washington to move up and they were waaaaay closer.
Mariota, if no one takes him according to the current draft order and no trades are made, will not get past NY Jets
If that happens, does he kill himself before signing with them, or do the Jets sue his family to get the signing bonus back?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 15, 2014, 12:25:22 AM
Look what it took Washington to move up and they were waaaaay closer.
thats such a cop out...you only talk about it because it didnt work. what if it did? then who cares. if MM sucks and the eagles fall apart big deal. nick foles wasnt doing anything.
No I'd say it even if it did work
They'd have to give up four number one picks.
Basically a package that's crippling to building depth
1. they arent winning with foles or whatever 3rd round slopbasket they can pick
2. MM might suck
3. trading for MM would destroy their depth for a few years
4. BUT if hes good...if it works....they could come out OK in 3 years
or they can go 10-6 and lose to rodgers, romo and wilson. you pick.
I'm with the MDS plan of the future. What's the worst that can happen?
Eagles have shtein seconday, shtein WR's, shtein QB's, shtein TE's, shtein knuckleheads on special teams.
Really, there's like 7 good players on this team:
McCoy
Kelce
Peters
Maclin
Cox
Kendricks
Kicker
Everyone else is pretty expendable. Even if this team drafted on auto, it would draft about the same or better in terms of fielding the rest of this craptastic team.
I say farg it, at least it will give everyone something to cheer for...until he fargs up his knee week 1 of the first pre-season.
youre pretty set with the front 7
secondary needs to be bought in free agency...with or without MM they just need to buy 3 new players
o-line is solid
skill position is where you take the calculated hit, for now. you have to assume MM is going to be great and he will make up for the mediocrity they have there.
a good qb can mask a ton of problems. look at green bay. look at previous new england teams.
its a risk but its a risk they might as well try.
Have I ever told you how much I care about your opinions?
Quote from: MDS on December 15, 2014, 01:01:15 AM
youre pretty set with the front 7
secondary needs to be bought in free agency...with or without MM they just need to buy 3 new players
o-line is solid
skill position is where you take the calculated hit, for now. you have to assume MM is going to be great and he will make up for the mediocrity they have there.
a good qb can mask a ton of problems. look at green bay. look at previous new england teams.
its a risk but its a risk they might as well try.
jesus christ stop
At this point I think MDS is right. You do whatever possible for the chance to draft MM. I don't think there is any other choice.
If Mariota is elite like top 5 then giving up the house for him is fine. The colts aren't a good team, they get by on Lucks skill alone. Anyone have a list of pending free agents?
They need to move on from Late Allen
Jameis Winston could be available though...
the eagles are a 4/5 seed in the nba that cant make it past the eastern semis
but lets keep doing that, and go tanking sixers
I don't want him...just floating that out there.
Quote from: SD on December 15, 2014, 08:25:54 AM
If Mariota is elite like top 5
hes not....he the number one qb this year because its a horrific qb class....id say hes somewhere bwtn ej manuel and andrew luck....but much closer to ej...in fact its an insult to luck or even rg3 to put mariota in the same conversation as a prospect and to give the insane amount it would take to get him is beyond idiotic....its like the worst wip call ever
I'd love an elite QB, but realistically they don't need a Brady/Rodgers/Manning/Luck type. They just need a competent QB with a little mobility. A Tannehill type would be perfect, only thing that blows is QBs are at such a premium they're going to overpay for whoever they get.
Its an insult to Mariota to compare him to RGIII...
Quote from: SD on December 16, 2014, 10:44:20 AM
I'd love an elite QB, but realistically they don't need a Brady/Rodgers/Manning/Luck type. They just need a competent QB with a little mobility. A Tannehill type would be perfect, only thing that blows is QBs are at such a premium they're going to overpay for whoever they get.
im not against overpaying to get the right guy....but theres overpaying then theres trading up 20 spots in the first round to get the best qb in a terrible qb class
taterskins moved what?.....five spots?....and still had to pay a ludicrous amount....and that was for a far superior prospect
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 16, 2014, 10:45:06 AM
Its an insult to Mariota to compare him to RGIII...
you don't compare people after the fact....a child can do that....we are talking about their rating as prospects at the time and how it relates to what you will have to give up
Well that is what I have been saying - what Washington had to give up to move up slightly was a ton. And it will cripple Washington because RGIII hasn't worked out. To get up to the Mariota draft stratosphere like lil guy wants...no shot
atlanta gave up 27, 59, 124 and their 2012 1st and 4th round picks to get to 6 to get julio jones
there's your baseline for a deal. its way too early now to predict where MM will fall...he might wind up being the consensus #1 or he might fall below nick hundley and jaymoss winston. but if i can repeat the julio trade to get MM i do it, because why the farg not.
Really though, this team is just one mediocre rookie QB away from putting together a real run.
Quote from: General_Failure on December 16, 2014, 12:46:34 PM
Really though, this team is just one mediocre rookie QB away from putting together a real run.
lol
people seem to forget that after you sell your soul to get mariota that he actually has to become good....and thats far from a certainty...hes simply not good enough to potentially throw away your future for...id rathe have foles and the five or six picks it will take to get mariota than mariota
get busy living or get busy dying
Ok "Red"...hook me up with a poster of Salma and some booze will ya?
The baseline is the RGIII -- market has been set based off of that.
Quote from: MDS on December 16, 2014, 12:27:19 PM
atlanta gave up 27, 59, 124 and their 2012 1st and 4th round picks to get to 6 to get julio jones
there's your baseline for a deal. its way too early now to predict where MM will fall...he might wind up being the consensus #1 or he might fall below nick hundley and jaymoss winston. but if i can repeat the julio trade to get MM i do it, because why the farg not.
Lol @ a WR setting the baseline for what it would take to move up in the draft for a QB. Wow.
it doesnt matter who its for...thats what it took to move up from 27 to 6
obviously it will take more to move up from 20 to 1/2 with a franchise qb at stake....but it is enough of a baseline.
McShay's first mock has Mariota going #1 to the Bucs and Winston going #2 to the Titans....the only QBs going in the 1st round
if jacksonville and tampa both lose out, does tampa get the 1
in my day dream scenario, jax has the 1. tampa has the 2 and is set on jaymiss. jax is looking to deal it...and not a team in their own division (ten) or conference (jets). hello howie.
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 18, 2014, 12:14:11 AM
McShay's first mock has Mariota going #1 to the Bucs and Winston going #2 to the Titans....the only QBs going in the 1st round
Who does he have the birds taking?
Best Oregon player available.
He has the Birds taking Trae Waynes, the top CB in the draft (Michigan State junior)
Quote from: MDS on December 18, 2014, 12:19:29 AM
if jacksonville and tampa both lose out, does tampa get the 1
Right now they're 7 games ahead in SOS, so it looks that way
so basically tampa needs to win or want JW
or these made up, irrelastic trades go bye bye
Ifo Ekpre-Olomu was a possibility but he blew out his knee in practice yesterday and will miss the Rose and championship. Sounds like a Howie 3rd-round special now
Was he not projected as a high pick? You're right, he now passes all the prerequisites to qualify as a Howie gem.
where's everybody at now with MM?
somehow, someway, tampa cant have the 1
We really need you to let go of this foolish dream of yours and get on the Sam Bradford Bandwagon.
Want him
No shot to get him
the mm people are worse than the chip genius people
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 20, 2014, 09:07:40 PM
Want him
No shot to get him
they have a definite shot....what itll take is anyone's guess
if tampa or tennessee gets the 1 and wants him, they dont. anything beyond that can be had, but it wont be cheap.
Would gladly take him in the first but no way they're giving up what it would take to get him. Weak qb draft. My gut tells me they stick with Foles.
fivethirtyeight currently has the odds of the top pick being TB or TEN at 99.2%
Who are the good corners in this draft?
Marcus Peters might be one of the top CB prospects in a decade but he's a farging head case and got kicked out of Washington
The only other 1st-round caliber guy is Trae Waynes from Michigan State. He passes igs' look test. Florida State's P.J. Williams could work himself into the 1st too
Chip's boy Ifo Ekpre-Olomu would've been a top 15-20 pick this past spring but returned to school, wasn't as good and blew his knee out this past week
Draft the headcase. farg it why not?
No, no! The guy with the knee! The guy with the knee!!
They'll draft him in the 4th with the pick they get from trading Shady
Draft the tweener
They should probably go for a guard.
ILB and CB and OLB
Trade up for a RB, then go G, TE, DT.
CB, CB, Safety, ILB, QB, CB, WR, K, S, CB, OLB. Then go Oline in the second.
draft guys who can get on the field
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 20, 2014, 11:19:04 PM
draft guys who can get on the field
That's asking a bit much, isn't it?
since MM is....not happening. watch 30 minutes of sam bradford throwing the ball down the field.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhLDkYravNA
i dont know? im desperate. this is what it's come to.
This is what dying feels like. Bunch of "What ifs" running through your head as the seconds tick down to the end.
The Eagles can get to #16 if they lose at NY, Miami wins out, and Buffalo and KC each win at least 1 more
im for going with foles but with a massive upgrade at the skill positions around him...I just dont see how they get a legit qb....unless you believe in jameis
also dirty little secret is how close they are to the offensive line falling off a cliff
Great point. This OL is not a bunch of spring chickens. They may fix the secondary issues this offseason but OL will be the next pressing matter on the agenda in 2015/16. farg you fireman!
i was thinking the other day now that jason peters has played more games with the eagles than the bills and should have another 2-3 years with the birds will he be a wall of fame guy?
hes not an eagle lifer but hes the best OL in franchise history right?
Yes wall of fame and hall of fame
Definitely the best Eagles OL ever
Stan Walters and Jerry were good in the Vermeil days but yes Peters is the best ever.
There's basically three ways you can find a decent QB:
1. draft one
2. resurrect some other team's damaged goods
3. more rarely, pickup a great QB during his sunset years
I don't really see 1 or 3 happening this year. #2 basically consists of thinking of a name that immediately makes you recoil in disgust (Bradford, Hoyer, RGIII, Cutler, Locker, etc.), but then trying to figure out if he could be a different QB in the Eagle system. If the name doesn't make you recoil in disgust, that QB probably won't be available.
So yeah, I'm thinking it'll be Foles with another damaged goods QB a la Sanchez brought in for competition.
famous jameis
Tampa Bay will have a 3-game lead on Tennessee with only 2 opponents that can swing things, so if the Bucs lose against the Saints, they get the #1 pick no matter what
Here's the Eagles draft spot simplified:
-- Right now they're at #20
-- Besides the game against the Giants, here are the other four games that affect their draft spot:
Jets @ Dolphins
Chargers @ Chiefs
Bills @ Patriots
Browns @ Ravens
(The Eagles can't catch the Texans in SOS, and even if Houston made the playoffs, it would mean Baltimore didn't, and they'd pick ahead of the Eagles anyway, so #15 is out)
-- If the Eagles win, they're locked into #20
-- If the Eagles lose and 1 of the bold teams wins, they're up to #19
-- A loss + 2 bold wins = #18
-- A loss + 3 bold wins = #17
-- A loss + all 4 bold teams win = #16
So they'll be picking 18th
Didn't they trade up to 15 to draft the McDougle? We don't want that spot anyway; it's cursed.
The ending to this season is a blessing in disguise. This team was never capable of beating the good teams this year. Going to the playoffs provides zero value for anyone other than Jeffrey. We temper the possibility of injuries and move onto the next season. Dallas will wilt in the playoffs. There is no need to worry.
the obsession with dallas amongst eagle fans is straight up embarrassing and makes the fanbase look small time....which honestly it probably is
Thanks dad.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 21, 2014, 10:16:22 PM
the obsession with dallas amongst eagle fans is straight up embarrassing and makes the fanbase look small time....which honestly it probably is
It's not nearly as bad as your obsession with black dick.
So now we're not allowed to hate the teams in our division because it makes us appear boorish and provincial?
It's so difficult to keep up with what we're permitted to like and dislike around here. Maybe it's time someone starts a thread and keeps all the rules in one place?
you can hate anyone you like but you minions are addicted to dallas to the point of having a problem and it makes for one big clown show....like the eagles franchise isn't a big enough joke already we need dumb fans to care more about dallas than their own team
It's hating a division rival
Especially living close to them
It's simple. Stop complicating it and going all Freud on the Dallas hate
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 21, 2014, 10:26:09 PM
Especially living close to them
I think I live closer to manitoba than you do to dallas
Hey, I liver closer to Dallas than Jersey now. Farg Dallas!
Maybe.
But the fans are still all over the place so it's like living in Dallas
I despise them and will continue to wish for them to lose and for anything awful to happen to them
cowboy fans from the dirty texas are cool....the team has been a joke since the mid 90's....they can have some division title. the bandwagon cowboys fans arent human beings and dont count.
but really someone other than the eagles has to win the nfc east. all 3 teams have 1000 super bowls and the eagles have 0. who cares who it is and what they do.
ill never understand how anyone from philly could care about/hate the cowboys more than the giants
nobody from this board is from philly
"who the hell are the dallas Cowboys we beat them every time we play them" - Buddy Ryan
Biggest Cowboys hater on the planet.
Truth.
he didn't care about the cowboys but he knew how to play to the fanbase....same way he didn't buy into scabs....he knew the pulse of the city like no one else....buddy was genius
He hated them ask Tom Landry and Jimmy Johnson. You don't put a locker room bounty on players to appease a fanbase. He loved sticking it to them
lol so he didn't really hate Dallas?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 21, 2014, 11:12:21 PM
lol so he didn't really hate Dallas?
im sure he did but no more than anyone else....he did it to get on the side of the fans...which is a crucial thing to have in a sports town like philly....he knew what he was doing...its why hes the goat
Did he put a bounty on any Giants or skins players? Did Gibbs or parcells ever call him out? Not even close. Landry hated Buddy and Jimmy Johnson despised him. Buddy loved sticking it to them more than any other team in the league.
Quote from: MDS on December 21, 2014, 10:34:41 PM
cowboy fans from the dirty texas are cool....the team has been a joke since the mid 90's....they can have some division title. the bandwagon cowboys fans arent human beings and dont count.
How farging true! It's those pricks that kill me. You meet some douche, talking all Cowboy shtein and the goon thinks the Dallas franchise began in 1991 with Jimmy, Troy, Smith, Irvin, etc. I throw it in their faces with the who was Staubach, Lilly, Dorsett, Golden Richards, hell i even throw in Babe Babe Laufenberg and Brad Sham shtein. 90% look at me like "Say what?" Irritating little bitches. Got into it with some punk a few months ago. Guy was drunk and was being such a fleshpop. He thought Tom Landry hosted The Dating Game.
Wild thought:
Colin Kaepernick to the Eagles for #1, #2, and next year's #1 (I'm just throwing numbers out my ass, I don't have a clue what these picks are worth, but they're pretty worthless after the Eagles grab hold of them). Not a bad time to strike. SF is kind of in a state of disarray. Coach, QB, RB positions being questioned.
He's probably the closest the Eagles are going to come to securing a 'Chip Kelly' type guy while Chip is still here. I think it's more realistic than Mariota.
Sounds like a hell of a lot for Kaepernick. Way too much IMO.
Agreed on it being too much. But I'd take Kaep.
Maybe with Harbaugh going bye bye they'll offer him up for trade
Wouldn't give up more than a 1st and late round pick for Kaep. No way they get rid of him.
No way NO parts with Brees but they're 20 million over the cap next season and he makes $18 million.
I would consider trading those picks for 2012 Kap.
For 2014-2015 Kap I'd trade them Bradley Fletcher.
If they can't get a viable starting QB and are rolling with Foles next year, I want Locker as the reclamation project. He has all the tools to be a functioning QB in a mobile offense, he just can't put it together & stay on the field. To be clear, I'm not advocating hitching the Eagles future to him, but he's more interesting to me than Sanchez or Barkley.
Quote from: SD on December 21, 2014, 11:18:35 PM
Did he put a bounty on any Giants or skins players? Did Gibbs or parcells ever call him out? Not even close. Landry hated Buddy and Jimmy Johnson despised him. Buddy loved sticking it to them more than any other team in the league.
he absolutely hates them, he did as a DC in chicago, he did as the HC here. he still does. bring the name up and he'll rant for an hour. he wouldnt talk to his damn kid cause he was the DC in dallas. doubt it had much to do with the fanbase but it sure didnt hurt his cause.
shame he wasnt as good at being a HC as he was being a cowboys hater.
Kap for Foles.
Do it.
Quote from: smeags on December 23, 2014, 12:20:12 PM
Quote from: SD on December 21, 2014, 11:18:35 PM
Did he put a bounty on any Giants or skins players? Did Gibbs or parcells ever call him out? Not even close. Landry hated Buddy and Jimmy Johnson despised him. Buddy loved sticking it to them more than any other team in the league.
he absolutely hates them, he did as a DC in chicago, he did as the HC here. he still does. bring the name up and he'll rant for an hour. he wouldnt talk to his damn kid cause he was the DC in dallas. doubt it had much to do with the fanbase but it sure didnt hurt his cause.
shame he wasnt as good at being a HC as he was being a cowboys hater.
Buddy is half the reason Eagles fans hate the Cowboys so much. The rivalry was dead then he came along and threw gas on the fire. He loved sticking it to them and the fans loved him for doing it.
But the Giants are the Eagles biggest rival. NY/Philly is a natural rivalry because of distance and the Eagles and Giants have been the top two NFC teams for the past 15 years. Philly fans don't hate the Giants fans like they do Dallas fans because Giants fans by and large are from NY or NJ. Plus Giants fans don't walk around like they're royalty. Dallas fans come from everywhere. The security guard at my work is a Dallas fan from Cleveland. Guy that sits a few rows over from me is a Dallas fan from Peru who grew up in upstate NY. Other Dallas fan is from Virginia. None of them are from Dallas. My theory is people with low self esteem growing up latch on to whatever team is winning whether it be the Cowboys/Lakers/Yankees. Was in Dallas last year and their fans are actually quite normal. And make no mistake about it they hate the Eagles.
they dislike the eagles...they dont hate because they dont care as much
to say buddy didn't hate the Cowboys is just laughable.
QuoteRyan even handled a few curve balls, like when he was asked if he now hates the Cowboys as much as his father Buddy Ryan always claimed to.
"That's a hell of a question," Ryan said. "But I think my dad had genuine hate for Dallas, and I don't."
yeah he brought his hate for the cowboys with him. it wasn't some great plan to get in with the philly fans but it sure got people fired up around here but i think he couldve done the same with the giants or skins but his hate was with dallas.
A lot of it went back to when Landry ran up the score in the scab game with his first team starters. And that awesome fake kneel down and pass the next game.
Only elder South Jrzy whites hate the Cowboys.
Quote from: Eagaholic on December 23, 2014, 12:49:00 PM
to say buddy didn't hate the Cowboys is just laughable.QuoteRyan even handled a few curve balls, like when he was asked if he now hates the Cowboys as much as his father Buddy Ryan always claimed to.
"That's a hell of a question," Ryan said. "But I think my dad had genuine hate for Dallas, and I don't."
the fact that he only thinks he hated dallas is all you need to know.....I mean jesus he was your own dad....buddy was a showman....he knew the citys unhealthy hate for dallas and to become welcomed and eventually one of us he knew he had to do something drastic and his plan was masterful.....pretend to hate dallas as much as they do and im IN
:-D
igy is holding like that kid holding onto the parents leg when they're walking away from the toy aisle when they want something and the parent says no...
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 23, 2014, 05:17:07 PM
igy is holding like that kid holding onto the parents leg when they're walking away from the toy aisle when they want something and the parent says no...
Reminds me of the time he argued with me that the Flyers weren't as popular in Philly as the Sixers. I posted cable numbers and attendance numbers and he resorted to "not all Sixers fans have television". This is why we love him.
You didn't post the radio numbers?
Quote from: SD on December 23, 2014, 05:50:52 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 23, 2014, 05:17:07 PM
igy is holding like that kid holding onto the parents leg when they're walking away from the toy aisle when they want something and the parent says no...
Reminds me of the time he argued with me that the Flyers weren't as popular in Philly as the Sixers. I posted cable numbers and attendance numbers and he resorted to "not all Sixers fans have television". This is why we love him.
actually i posted tv ratings and proved that the sixers were more popular
again. try to remember the conclusion:
1. the flyers are more popular day-to-day because of the stepford fanbase
2. the sixers are more popular on the whole because basketball > hockey in philadelphia
end.
hmmm something is up here. sd says one thing and igy jr says another. we need this cleared up.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 23, 2014, 05:17:07 PM
igy is holding like that kid holding onto the parents leg when they're walking away from the toy aisle when they want something and the parent says no...
you all were four when buddy was hired....you didnt see his pressers and interviews...and the way he acted on a day to day basis....it wasn't just about dallas....he put on a show for almost everything he did....at heart he was just a downhick comedian who really didn't hate anything...he was a showman....the one exception I might make and that I could never really tell if it was fully legit or not was braman....I think he might have validly hated him
Quote from: MDS on December 24, 2014, 01:19:11 AM
Quote from: SD on December 23, 2014, 05:50:52 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 23, 2014, 05:17:07 PM
igy is holding like that kid holding onto the parents leg when they're walking away from the toy aisle when they want something and the parent says no...
Reminds me of the time he argued with me that the Flyers weren't as popular in Philly as the Sixers. I posted cable numbers and attendance numbers and he resorted to "not all Sixers fans have television". This is why we love him.
actually i posted tv ratings and proved that the sixers were more popular
again. try to remember the conclusion:
1. the flyers are more popular day-to-day because of the stepford fanbase
2. the sixers are more popular on the whole because basketball > hockey in philadelphia
end.
exactly....its not even that close....flyers have better fans no doubt....but there are way more sixer fans...flyers have like 100,000 hardcore fans from del co south jerz and the northeast that follow them religiously win or lose.....sixers have like 2 million most of which will come out when they are good...just go to a sixers game and look at the faces of the people....white black asian indian etc....hell your tribe are monster pro basketball fans and might make up the religious majority at sixers games....flyers fans are white catholics and christians.....period
basically its like you said basketball >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hockey
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Buddy despised the Cowboys, especially Tom Landry. Stop your farging nonsense, for the love of Christ.
Quote from: Rome on December 24, 2014, 08:34:45 AM
Buddy despised the Cowboys, especially Tom Landry. Stop your farging nonsense, for the love of Christ.
i'm sure he'll stop now.
Quote from: smeags on December 24, 2014, 08:24:46 AM
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Lol
Lapdog (mds) is missing otherwise spot on
I was too young to be for or against the hiring of Buddy...I didn't really appreciate him until his final couple years. The hate for Dallas was a cherry on top.
And he legit hated Braman because Braman ripped the team apart. He went after him and further endeared himself to the players.
Quote from: SD on December 24, 2014, 09:05:12 AM
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Lol
Lapdog (mds) is missing otherwise spot on
havas and i disagree much more often than we agree, actually....but whatever its just easier this way.
anyway, going to head out to talk flyers with their eons of fans. from jamal in overbrook park to jose in olney.....lets go fly guys.
i was just about to say that we beef like crazy about shtein more often than not
smeags calling someone a lapdog is comical beyond belief....all he does is come in on the backend of someone who disagrees with me or you and says fires some stupid horrifyingly unfunny shot...never has an opinion of his own or any semi intelligible take
you'd be spot on about me if SD wasnt the one who called mds your lapdog but whatever it easier this way.
yep - meaning he acts like you with the non stop arguing and refusing to admit he's wrong. not that he clings to your every word.
i cant help but poke fun at that, it's a problem i have. im working on it. can we hug it out fella ?
Quote from: smeags on December 24, 2014, 01:09:30 PM
can we hug it out fella ?
Only if you're wearing Kelly Green and matching opinions.
Quote from: hbionic on December 24, 2014, 01:17:27 PM
Quote from: smeags on December 24, 2014, 01:09:30 PM
can we hug it out fella ?
Only if you're wearing Kelly Green and matching opinions.
well we're 1/2 way there with the kelly green.
Quote from: smeags on December 24, 2014, 01:09:30 PM
yep - meaning he acts like you with the non stop arguing and refusing to admit he's wrong. not that he clings to your every word.
welcome to the internet....and message boards
drama queen
dont you have some article to write that nobody will ever read ?
Scraping bottom.
hey dickheads...where's your Christmas cheer?!
Sorry Jay. Mine left right after sanchez threw that last int.
I love you guys. Merry Xmas...happy Hanukkah...happy kwanza
everyone here is cool except for like 3 people....i wont name names. only that special someone knows who they are.
happy birthday jesus the jew. drink.
Happy Festivus
tampa winning, for some reason
tenny in the catbird's seat.....and im not sure MM is a fit for wisenhunt's system. boooooom.
Tampa
Tennessee
OL/tweener DE. YES! I'm feeling it! Do it!
Get Mariota! :-[
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He just went from consensus #1 overall pick to nobody is trading 3 drafts for him
QuoteDaniel Jeremiah @MoveTheSticks 9m9 minutes ago
I've had multiple texts from personnel guys with the same message: "I feel bad for teams in the top 5 looking for a QB."
MM
MM
MM
MM
MM
MM!
lemme guess...those texts are from PP guys not picking in the top 5
or they are all from chip kelly fake accounts
lolol I can see Chip having like 16 cell phones so he can text people and try to get MM to drop
How long until Chip plants gang affiliation stories about MM?
We need our resident Hawaiian Don to tell us which gangs are over there and start planting stories
Trade both fours for a three, the both threes for another two then package their 1 & (2) 2's + their #1 next year to Tampa for Mariota.
SCIENCE.
Rome for GM?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 05, 2015, 06:17:36 PM
We need our resident Hawaiian Don to tell us which gangs are over there and start planting stories
On it.
His brother is on the St. Louis High soccer team we just played on Saturday. Senior headed to Oregon to play football, no where near his brother in football talent, descent soccer player but I don't see him as a DI football prospect. We play them again in 3 weeks. Maybe MM will attend. I'll get a stripper and some USO Samoan bangers to stand next to him and send the picture to TMZ.
You do have the strippers on speed dial braddah.
Quote from: Don Ho on January 06, 2015, 01:30:31 AM
His brother is on the St. Louis High soccer team we just played on Saturday. Senior headed to Oregon to play football, no where near his brother in football talent, descent soccer player but I don't see him as a DI football prospect. We play them again in 3 weeks. Maybe MM will attend. I'll get a stripper and some USO Samoan bangers to stand next to him and send the picture to TMZ.
hahah...do it!
Quote from: Don Ho on January 06, 2015, 01:30:31 AM
His brother is on the St. Louis High soccer team we just played on Saturday. Senior headed to Oregon to play football, no where near his brother in football talent, descent soccer player but I don't see him as a DI football prospect. We play them again in 3 weeks. Maybe MM will attend. I'll get a stripper and some USO Samoan bangers to stand next to him and send the picture to TMZ.
POTY
NFL analysts are questioning Mariota's skills and think he could fall from the top 5 (http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/todd-mcshay-questions-marcus-mariotas-nfl-readiness-oregon-ducks)
Not happening, but hey
I can only imagine the throbbing, veiny erections around the city of Philadelphia if Mariota loses the NCG and honks his pro day. only to see the massive deflation and self loathing move back in when he goes #5 to the Skins.
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 09, 2015, 03:58:34 PM
NFL analysts are questioning Mariota's skills and think he could fall from the top 5 (http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/todd-mcshay-questions-marcus-mariotas-nfl-readiness-oregon-ducks)
Not happening, but hey
Decent breakdown and fair assessment. The only reason Mariota is getting so much hype locally is Chip and his familiarity with the offense.
And we pray...
Quote from: rjs246 on January 09, 2015, 04:02:59 PM
I can only imagine the throbbing, veiny erections around the city of Philadelphia if Mariota loses the NCG and honks his pro day. only to see the massive deflation and self loathing move back in when he goes #5 to the Skins.
:paranoid
Put it this way: if Mariota is a bad enough prospect to somehow fall to the Eagles past all those QB-depserate teams, then he is probably going to be a terrible QB.
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 09, 2015, 04:41:26 PM
Put it this way: if Mariota is a bad enough prospect to somehow fall to the Eagles past all those QB-depserate teams, then he is probably going to be a terrible QB.
ive never understood why eagle fans want him so bad....because chip recruited him?....so stupid....go by whether the guy is gonna be a great qb or not and as ive said for a while now I think hes a huge risk....plus do we really trust chip in evaluating players?
id much rather have jameis than mariota altho neither are going to be anywhere near within reach
I trust Chip in evaluating QBs for sure - especially for his system.
Plus he's been in the NFL long enough to know what he needs in players
lol
:-*
i feel Jameis is gonna be a bust...i just feels like Josh Freeman to me
he very well might be but hes still a better prospect than mariota.....qb class this year might be the worst ever
2005 - Aaron Rodgers, Alex Smith
2006 - Jay Cutler
2007 - no one who could remotely be called a franchise QB
2008 - Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco
2009 - Matt Stafford
2010 - no one who could remotely be called a franchise QB
2011 - Cam Newton, Colin Kaepernick, Andy Dalton
2012 - Andrew Luck, RGIII, Ryan Tannehill, Russell Wilson, Nick Foles
2013 - no one who could remotely be called a franchise QB
2014 - jury's out but no one took the NFL by storm
So over the last decade, I would say the draft has produced two elite QBs (Rodgers, Luck), two more that the fanbases can be really happy with (Newton, Wilson), two more that are good enough to still clearly be franchise QBs by any definition (Flacco, Tannehill). Everyone else on the above list is erratic enough to drive their fanbases crazy.
6 guys in 10 drafts good enough to make teams feel like they found their permanent QB. So yeah it wouldn't exactly be a shock to see zero worthwhile QBs come out of this draft either.
This is why the league is rigging things to make it easier for QBs to put up video game stats.
I think Mariota can be like Tannehill. Good enough to throw for 4000 yards and run a little...will sneak into the top 10 qb area but will never be elite or top 5. If you're mortgaging the future it better be for a Luck type. I could see giving up some future 1sts for him but I wouldn't go rg3 type deal.
Really who are we kidding anyway...embrace Foles and pray they fix the dbs
Any reason why Mariotta can't be Russell Wilson? Don't know if he's as good a runner, but is he that much worse of a passer?
Because I watched about half a game, I want the Eagles to draft Cody Fajardo...pretty much the same collegiate stats as Kaepernick so he should fit Kelly's system.
Uh, I would call Wilson elite or pretty goddamned close. He is not asked to throw 500 times a year and has no WRs to work with. All he does is put up Troy Aikman like numbers and win football games. Sometimes single-handedly. I would give unimportant body parts for Wilson to be the Eagles' QB.
He can become elite. To me he's like early Tom Brady. Just a winner but hasn't taken the leap where he is statistically dominating opponents. Not yet, anyway.
Anyway, the point isn't to bicker over what precise category guys are in. You can make all kinds of arguments there. The bigger point is the college game isn't cranking out NFL-ready QBs. The college game has become too different from the NFL, and at the same time NFL franchises have become more impatient about trying to develop QB talent over multiple seasons. Even with someone who's managed to transition into a new-breed mobile QB like Wilson, you gotta wonder about career longevity the way that he plays the game.
So even if the Eagles had the #1 overall pick it would be foolish to be expecting a QB savior.
No one expects a savior. They expect talent and an improvement on the field and a qb with talent and familiarity with the offense is pretty tasty.
exactly
if chip is the genius everyone thinks he is you don't need a dominant qb...you need one who is a threat on the read option and who doesnt turn it over 4000 times a year
that cat from east carolina!
get that boi
QuoteRoobCSN
Tell me what throws Mariota makes better than Nick Foles.
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@RoobCSN I agree roob... not impressed with Mariota's deep ball at all.
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Remember when I said Mariota doesn't make NFL-type throws. Neither does Cardale Jones. He's a similar one-read guy. Doesn't throw guys open.
I don't understand why no one understands me. Just sayin spread/1-read QBs don't make NFL-type throws in college. Makes for tough transition
roob is a gross homer and probably jerks off to pictures of foles
he was a 5 apologist for years
been telling everyone for months to chill out on mariota and not just cause the eagles arent going to get him....he carries a huge bust factor and jameis has a much better chance to be a good nfl qb
but OMG chip and oregon!!
Jameis seems like an immature, entitled headcase. Don't need that, either. It's a roll of the dice on the 1st round QB picks, and I wouldn't be on board from packaging much to get a guy. It doesn't work out more often than it does.
Roob is a joke. his Twitter might as well be called a twatter, he blocks everyone.
Looks to me like it's a good bet that both will be a bust.
The smart money is neither of them amount to shtein in the pros.
Math.
if mariota falls like mcshay is saying he should it would be the best case scenerio for the eagles. not that he's guaranteed to be a great qb but chip wont have to pay a kings ransom to get him.
his last wobbly hail mary last night was very foles-ish.
Quote from: Zanshin on January 13, 2015, 09:13:41 AM
Jameis seems like an immature, entitled headcase. Don't need that, either. It's a roll of the dice on the 1st round QB picks, and I wouldn't be on board from packaging much to get a guy. It doesn't work out more often than it does.
oh jameis is far from a lock....its a terrible qb class....im just so sick of people saying get mariota just because the genius chip coached him...if chip is such a genius he should be able to make any qb into a star not just ones he recruited....so go for the better prospect not the guy who played at oregon
Seek help.
lol Angelo Havas and The Morning Team
Keep Foles and spend every dime on fixing the def secondary.
It's a no brainer. We could be looking at 2 of the leagues top 5 receivers for the next 5-7 years. And we really don't know what Foles upside is, especially if he has a solid OLine.
Quote from: Rome on January 13, 2015, 04:50:30 PM
Keep Foles and spend every dime on fixing the def secondary.
im fine with that for next year....shtein id be fine with not taking mariota if he fell to 20 provided there was a better option there
Quote from: Eagaholic on January 14, 2015, 12:22:58 AM
And we really don't know what Foles upside is, especially if he has a solid OLine.
actually his upside is pretty much clear as day...he has none....hes somewhere in between last year and the year before....but his limitations are pretty obvious and he has no ++ tools
His leadership skills are ++, but then again, you don't believe in leadership, so...
on the contrary....his leadership is weak....hes way too much of a nice guy...its actually one of the things he does have room for improvement in and thats being more vocal and strong...with experience this could happen altho even his closest friends say that that isnt the kind of person he is...but that would never be a reason he wouldnt be an elite qb and its probably not in his top 5 negatives....yes leadership is overrated
Always viewed Foles as a Eli type leader. Silent but his team mates respect his toughness. A guy like Peters doesn't go trucking across the field to stick up for a guy like Donovan or Sanchez.
If they're going to stick with Foles - and that's what it looks like - they need to upgrade upgrade the WR spot. Like get Dez or D Thomas or something along those lines. I like Maclin but defensive coordinators don't respect him the same way.
How great of a pick would Bridgewater have been? If he were coming out this year he'd probably be a top 10 pick.
i loved bridgewater but even i couldnt justify taking him last year.....foles having that ridiculous outlier of a season in 2013 set the franchise back a good 2-3 years
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 14, 2015, 09:54:06 AM
i loved bridgewater but even i couldnt justify taking him last year.....foles having that ridiculous outlier of a season in 2013 set the franchise back a good 2-3 years
Agreed but I can play hindsight because I can
lol leadership
this isnt your corny high school team....this is the big boy league. 32 year old men dont need someone else to encourage them to earn their bonus money.
No, it's the farging NFL and whether your retarded ass knows it or not leadership on and off the field is important. If it isn't at this point it's because your generation is nothing more than hipster gang banger wannabe dickfaces.
Quote from: Rome on January 14, 2015, 11:39:47 AMIf it isn't at this point it's because your generation is nothing more than hipster gang banger wannabe dickfaces who won't get off my farging lawn!
it holds importance its just not nearly as important as your ancient cobweb riddened brain thinks it is
I never said it was the most important factor. I said it was important. Leadership by example is how great organizations succeed. Athletic talent is more important, obviously.
Oh and good one with the old jokes. That shtein never gets, well, old.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 14, 2015, 07:54:54 AM
Quote from: Rome on January 13, 2015, 04:50:30 PM
Keep Foles and spend every dime on fixing the def secondary.
im fine with that for next year....shtein id be fine with not taking mariota if he fell to 20 provided there was a better option there
Quote from: Eagaholic on January 14, 2015, 12:22:58 AM
And we really don't know what Foles upside is, especially if he has a solid OLine.
actually his upside is pretty much clear as day...he has none....hes somewhere in between last year and the year before....but his limitations are pretty obvious and he has no ++ tools
Well yeah, considering that's a range of crap to MVP candidate.
Quote from: Rome on January 14, 2015, 12:31:18 PM
I never said it was the most important factor. I said it was important. Leadership by example is how great organizations succeed. Athletic talent is more important, obviously.
Oh and good one with the old jokes. That shtein never gets, well, old.
who was the leader on the 90s cowboys dynasty?
Cocaine.
Quote from: MDS on January 14, 2015, 03:48:43 PM
Quote from: Rome on January 14, 2015, 12:31:18 PM
I never said it was the most important factor. I said it was important. Leadership by example is how great organizations succeed. Athletic talent is more important, obviously.
Oh and good one with the old jokes. That shtein never gets, well, old.
who was the leader on the 90s cowboys dynasty?
if you ask smith, irvin, the o-line, jimmy johnson and others they'd probably say aikman.
actually, check that, GF got it right.
I guess you could say they were coke aptains.
I'm arguing with an imbecile and a govt mule over leadership skills.
This is one of those times when a hammer to the farging temple is in order.
i dont know what else to say other than you need to actually experience a pro sports work dynamic...or simply know more about it
and stop being angry over internet discussion. you catch feelings very easily.
Quote from: smeags on January 14, 2015, 04:13:37 PMif you ask smith, irvin, the o-line, jimmy johnson and others they'd probably say aikman.
irvin was one of the "leaders" actually. he personally hooked up so many dudes with whores and blow....he saw to it than everyone, from his people to his wide out mates to the practice squad linebacker had a good time when they went out. and he picked up the tab.
aikman and novacek and the other country white boys kept to themselves, really. maybe everyone listened to troy on the field? but really thats the point.
the cowboys policed themselves (well they didnt, but they did) as all good teams do. there isn't 1 guy who everyone follows around like a lost dog. these are grown ass men with families and mortgages and their own shtein. they show up, do their job and go home. farg.
In all seriousness, their biggest leader was five time superbowl champion Charles Haley's massive dong.
Quote from: MDS on January 14, 2015, 06:39:12 PM
i dont know what else to say other than you need to actually experience a pro sports work dynamic...or simply know more about it
todd the expert :-D
:-D :-D :-D :-D
sometimes it's cool that the ignore function doesn't work on quotes from another post
http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/randall-cunningham-eagles-should-do-whatever-it-takes-get-marcus-mariota
well then it's settled right ? go get him.
http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2015/01/eagles_are_going_to_try_to_move_up_for_oregon_quar.html
kill me now
you were leading the charge to move up and get him at all costs....what happened?
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 20, 2015, 12:27:09 PM
you were leading the charge to move up and get him at all costs....what happened?
You're leading the anti-Mariota movement. Would you draft him at 20? How much would you give to move up for him?
Said earlier, I'd give up no more than a future 1st and a 2nd or 3rd.
The value in moving up just isn't there. Even if the odds are Mariota will be great (and I don't even think those are the actual odds), they're still odds. It's still a crapshoot. Let Chip the genius show his genius by drafting a guy at a value spot and making him great.
if he's there at 20 there should zero doubt that chip takes him. if not id be ok with a marcus peters. what about this WR kevin white ? i admit i havent looked at the draft class for 2015 enough to really know who is out there that the eagles could get in the 1st.
Quote from: SD on January 20, 2015, 12:32:08 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 20, 2015, 12:27:09 PM
you were leading the charge to move up and get him at all costs....what happened?
You're leading the anti-Mariota movement. Would you draft him at 20? How much would you give to move up for him?
Said earlier, I'd give up no more than a future 1st and a 2nd or 3rd.
id rather have jameis but i wouldnt give up anything of significance for either one....its just not a good qb year
Would you take him at 20?
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 20, 2015, 12:27:09 PM
you were leading the charge to move up and get him at all costs....what happened?
i want him, i just dont want 3 more months of baseless speculation and made up sourced stories from unplugged in hacks
Of course you take him at 20. That would be a value pick. It's just not worth moving up. If you can get him and sit still, you'd have to wonder how that could farging happen, but you do it if there's no reason for the drop.
Quote from: SD on January 20, 2015, 12:48:14 PM
Would you take him at 20?
yeah def..he might not even be my first choice there depending on how it falls but id have no problem with that pick
If Winston falls and the Eagles pass, I'm done with them.
Mariota too but less so.
And both are worth the top pick. Stop the nonsense suggesting otherwise.
so if some unrealistic, not possible scenario occurs, you'll do something that you won't do?
It's entirely possible either could fall, especially Jameis because he's got awful character issues.
And not following the Eagles wouldn't be that much of a sacrifice, trust me.
i can guarantee you chip isnt touching your favorite rapist thief scumbag....so just get over it and get past it
and if you quit the eagles, after 65 years of following them (or whatever you geezer), i will kill you
fwiw bucky brooks' first mock has mm going to the chiefs at 18
Also, nothing drives down the price of moving like that special perception that you HAVE to have the guy, right?
Facebook is telling me that Chip Kelly will be trying to trade up to take MM. It appears that the source is nj.com so it could just be some jackass connecting the dots that all of us have already connected, but if they are actually broadcasting intentions this early that is some amateur hour shtein.
Those dots were connected and broadcasted the day Chip took this job.
Everyone assumes he's going to want his guy. Whether they didn't say a peep or whether they were standing on top of the city hall and screaming they love MM it doesn't really matter.
It burns when I pee.
If trading up were to be an inevitability, I'd rather it be for Winston. I think he has better tools, greater potential. Even in this system. Neither of these guys are Andrew Luck or even close to it, but I'd rather get Winston.
I think Mariota will be solid in the right system, but I don't think he'll ever be in the elite class. Definitely take him at 20, but trading up for him is and will always be insane.
Quote from: AshishPatel81 on January 20, 2015, 08:13:40 PM
If trading up were to be an inevitability, I'd rather it be for Winston. I think he has better tools, greater potential. Even in this system. Neither of these guys are Andrew Luck or even close to it, but I'd rather get Winston.
I think Mariota will be solid in the right system, but I don't think he'll ever be in the elite class. Definitely take him at 20, but trading up for him is and will always be insane.
to get to 1, sure. giving up what is essentially 5-6 starters for him is asinine.
but if he for whatever reason falls to the teens, which he wont, then its not really crazy.
the problem will be the expectations for MM and chip will be crazy high and one is a coach without a playoff win and the other is a qb who has never taken an nfl snap. but theyll HAVE to put up 70.
Why are high expectations for chip/mm a problem? They should be sky high. Chip wanted the power and he got it. If in his wisdom he thinks mm is the answer then he needs to be held accountable for selecting him if doesn't work.
i wouldnt trade multi picks for either guy.
Chip doesn't talk to anybody with the media when he doesn't have to. He's said it before that any "rumors" that come out aren't from him so the reporters shouldn't pay attention to them. So now all the sudden Mark farging Eckel gets an insight into Chip's draft strategy
(http://www.deeprelease.com/pics/Mariota-jersey.jpg)
Mosher was hyping this guy on philly sports talk tonight. He played at Oregon for a season before getting beat out by Mariota
http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24704041/meet-the-prospect-se-louisiana-qb-bryan-bennett
https://twitter.com/SportsRadioWIP/status/561097144112001024
Will The Dirty Thirty being going to Chicago (could they even afford to make the trip or find their way?) to boo any pick not named Mariota?
if they do im sure whoever the pick is wont be such a baby back bitch about it like the last guy
Pretty sure anyone getting booed off a stage wouldn't be happy about it.
But lets rehash the McNabb hate some more.
its one thing to be mad about it, its another to hold on to it for 20 years. pat burrell was booed a ton....he seems cool with everyone now. so does mike schmidt. AI had his ups and downs with the fans. but poor donny. poor donny. what a victim.
but hey you're the one that brought that loser up.
He can forgive he just can't forget
Just like a woman.
http://espn.go.com/blog/philadelphia-eagles/post/_/id/10389/mariota-intrigue-continues-in-mcshay-mock?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
gotta keep this ship going
mcshay said mm is a 3-4 round qb talent
if MM falls even a little bit not even halle will be able to contain chip's boner
ESPN with another Mariota/Eagles column (Insider) (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2015/story/_/id/12330069/why-philadelphia-eagles-move-draft-marcus-mariota-nfl)
He's not going to the Eagles.
He'll go to Tampa or Chicago or K.C. or something like that....eagles will draft as suckily as they always do, and we will be watching another mediocre season.
Yeah...there's no way I'm renewing the NFL package.
Specially when the NFL network does the 30-min replay of the whole game.
So we can expect a 6-10 season?
You expect that after him posting back to back winning seasons with the players on the roster now? He'll get just enough out of his roster of overall not so good players to make himself look like a good coach while screwing the organization out of a top 10 or 5 draft pick.
(http://i0.wp.com/www.crossingbroad.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Voila_Capture-2015-02-21_06-04-16_PM.jpg?resize=534%2C292)
And the rest of his face is going
(http://i.imgur.com/7gAvFDS.gif)
That's disgusting.
Probably makes your vagina wet.
Goeff Mosher thinks that It's no secret that Chip Kelly thinks highly of Marcus Mariota and while the Eagles sit at 20th in the draft Geoff Mosher thinks Kelly would give up a lot, including Nick Foles, to get the QB. (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/20/pft-live-geoff-mosher-eagles-would-give-up-a-lot-for-mariota/)
Is there anyone out there who thinks giving up Foles would be 'a lot' to get Marota? Kelly would fall over himself to do that one would think.
OH GOOD GOD NO! NOT NICK FOLES!
Peter King's latest mock has the Eagles trading up to #5 (yea Washington) to get him (http://mmqb.si.com/2015/02/25/nfl-mock-draft-peter-king-marcus-mariota-trade/)
omg easy please make it stop....you know better than this
gotta love Angelo spinning this as Peter King is reporting this is possible. it's just a stupid mock draft trade.
it's a horrible trade btw, i would be furious if they did that
Washington is the team that makes the most sense to trade with. They have The GOAT GM Scotty Mc there so he'll want to get picks.
Mariota is probably going 2 to Tennessee because they need a QB so it's an obvious fit. Get used to Foles...and maybe they'll draft a guy in the later rounds
I think Leonard Williams goes #2. He's a beast
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 25, 2015, 09:43:42 AM
omg easy please make it stop....you know better than this
Never! Still 2 more months of irritating ya
Eckel with 5 Mariota/Eagles myths (http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2015/02/5_myths_about_marcus_mariota_and_the_eagles.html)
For better or worse, the older I get, the less patience I have with this speculative nonsense. I mean, it's all mastabatory bullshtein based on random thoughts by "experts" who don't know anything. What a waste of time.
I don't give a farg about anything anyone says about the draft: 1) the prognosticators are inevitably wrong; 2) even if they're miraculously right, it's a proven crapshoot. I mean, I get that a reunion would be interesting, but Mariota isn't any sort of slam dunk even if he somehow made his way here. And Chip's a genius right? He'll make it work either way, then?
Don't. Care. When they get on the field and it's more than blustery nonsense, I'll care. Right now there's 32 teams who all want to tell you about how they're making all the magical right moves and plan to win the Super Bowl. It's all rainbows and unicorns.
i love how a lot of the media kills chip for not talking to them...but yet they somehow know he is trading up for mariota and to what spot hes going to ge him at
Can we use this year's pick to un-draft Marcus Smith?
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 25, 2015, 03:01:13 PM
i love how a lot of the media kills chip for not talking to them...but yet they somehow know he is trading up for mariota and to what spot hes going to ge him at
all the MM talk is coming from other people around the nfl
its just an assumed fact that chip wants him even though there is no evidence to support it
QuoteJimmyKempski
Becoming more and more convinced daily that the Eagles are trading up to #1 prior to the draft.
As igy would say, lolololololololololololololololol
The good news is there's only eight more weeks of this bullshtein to put up with before we're all proven wrong.
Pat Kirwan's mock (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/pat-kirwan/25080119/pat-kirwans-mock-draft-no-4-eagles-trade-up-to-land-mariota) has the Eagles trading Shady, #20 and next year's 1st to Oakland for #4
Major no on dealing Shady.
jimmy kempski is a farging nobody
any other random twitter users feeling like the eagles are trading up for MM?
Quote from: Rome on February 25, 2015, 10:11:23 PM
The good news is there's only eight more weeks of this bullshtein to put up with before we're all proven wrong.
Thanks NFL for moving this thing into May. WTF, make it a Memorial Day Weekend event already.
Quote from: MDS on February 25, 2015, 10:48:24 PM
jimmy kempski is a farging nobody
any other random twitter users feeling like the eagles are trading up for MM?
he was joking
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 25, 2015, 10:45:19 PM
Major no on dealing Shady.
he'd have to restructure to be moved.
well, this is oakland in this make believe fantasy trade scenerio so hwo knows.
All autographed Foles merchandise on PE.com has been reduced (http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/2/26/8113805/nick-foles-autographed-merchandise-sale-eagles-online-store)
Haha... Go Ed Go!
ha....I'm just doing it to piss off igs :-*
The thought of taking hundley doesn't piss me off
I have no problem with him either. He has a few flaws but the kid can play. I'd be fine with Hundley.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 26, 2015, 01:51:34 PM
The thought of taking hundley doesn't piss me off
5 is his favorite athlete.
@JohnBarchard I don't have any doubt that Chip has a deal in place with TB right now. It's just becoming more evident that TB doesn't know what to do.
stop it easy
not only is he certain that chip has a deal in place he also is inside tampas front offices and knows they are scared to pull the trigger
whatever deal chip has in place, its the best deal ever
he has never made a mistake in his life
It will be nice when we can get back to actually discussing shtein that's happening instead of preemptively mocking everyone else's views.
Discussion about Eagles potentially something is more about posters than the Eagles. Discussion about the Sixers doing something is more about posters opinions of Hinkie than moves. Etc. It's so fun it happens in every thread and for every team. :yay
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on March 01, 2015, 11:22:36 PM
It will be nice when we can get back to actually discussing shtein that's happening instead of preemptively mocking everyone else's views.
Discussion about Eagles potentially something is more about posters than the Eagles. Discussion about the Sixers doing something is more about posters opinions of Hinkie than moves. Etc. It's so fun it happens in every thread and for every team. :yay
It's 85% of the reason why everyone left this place.
I'd just prefer we wait for the whole everyone is stupid for blindly supporting x team for after that actually happens. For once. That would be swell.
prediction - chip will draft players. stay tuned.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on March 01, 2015, 11:22:36 PM
It will be nice when we can get back to actually discussing shtein that's happening instead of preemptively mocking everyone else's views.
Discussion about Eagles potentially something is more about posters than the Eagles. Discussion about the Sixers doing something is more about posters opinions of Hinkie than moves. Etc. It's so fun it happens in every thread and for every team. :yay
actually hinkie magic has made tons of actual real moves and anyone that says they have inside knowledge of an exisiting in place deal with tampa for the number 1 overall pick should be mocked
that goes above and beyond even the idiocy of thinking it could happen....that clown is saying it has basically happened
I think he's saying stop being dicks and talk sports instead.
ill stop being a fleshpop when people stop being idiots.....deal?
Super.
love the diversity around here. :paranoid
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 02, 2015, 09:16:04 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on March 01, 2015, 11:22:36 PM
It will be nice when we can get back to actually discussing shtein that's happening instead of preemptively mocking everyone else's views.
Discussion about Eagles potentially something is more about posters than the Eagles. Discussion about the Sixers doing something is more about posters opinions of Hinkie than moves. Etc. It's so fun it happens in every thread and for every team. :yay
actually hinkie magic has made tons of actual real moves and anyone that says they have inside knowledge of an exisiting in place deal with tampa for the number 1 overall pick should be mocked
that goes above and beyond even the idiocy of thinking it could happen....that clown is saying it has basically happened
I was referencing MDS post. I fully expect people to be dicks to each other here, it's part of the charm, but lately it seems to just be a shtein throwing contest about fandom instead of talking about what is actually happening. I'll get off my soapbox now but I look forward to talking about what Chip, Hinkie etc are doing as opposed to whether we're just dumbasses for supporting them as the main point of conversation
well i think his comment is rooted in deep frustration over not just the blind faith 99% of the fanbase has in chip but the fact that the owner of the team does as well....we are a small minority but it frustrates us to no end that this college coach after two years and zero playoff wins is in a position few nfl coaches in the history of the league have been in
It's scary that the things you two say aren't semi-trolling hyperbole, but things you actually believe.
Not immediately calling a move stupid or awful or the worst move ever in the history of the NFL =/= "blind faith". Most everyone here has had, at best, cautiously optimistic views. There aren't any blind homers here. And that includes Jay.
Quote"When you're looking at trading up, at some point, your board drops off so dramatically in terms of how you evaluate that player," Roseman said, via Philly.com. "But the history of trading up for one player, when you look at those trades, isn't good for the team trading up and putting a lot of resources into it."
this organization is awesome
Quote from: SD on March 02, 2015, 02:42:03 PM
Quote"When you're looking at trading up, at some point, your board drops off so dramatically in terms of how you evaluate that player," Roseman said, via Philly.com. "But the history of trading up for one player, when you look at those trades, isn't good for the team trading up and putting a lot of resources into it."
this organization is awesome
lol saw that this morning....such an incredible trolling of chip
i said this when the move happened...didnt agree with chips promotion but i can understand wanting to keep him as coach so you make the move....however if you do all that you CANNOT keep howie on the premises...its ludicrous what a farged up dynamic they have going on in that building
where is this 99% of the fanbase are blindly following kelly coming from ??? thats not the impression i get while talking to people.
i cant recall seeing or hearing one person say he shouldnt have been named prez/GM of football ops....doesnt mean they arent out there but id love to meet some
also easily 9/10 adore him as the coach
i think your percentages are off.
whatever they are they are cult like and higher than they should be
in fairness to eagle fans its not strictly them....this is a nationwide problem especially amongst the media but also other teams fans
yeah i can agree too many give kelly a pass on things. maybe they are still in the honeymoon state of mind. im still not sold on him but he's there and isnt going anywhere soon. he will either crash and burn or bring a parade, i dont think there's any gray area going forward.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 02, 2015, 02:28:59 PM
well i think his comment is rooted in deep frustration over not just the blind faith 99% of the fanbase has in chip but the fact that the owner of the team does as well....we are a small minority but it frustrates us to no end that this college coach after two years and zero playoff wins is in a position few nfl coaches in the history of the league have been in
basically....then again im the same way about hinkie
both hinkie and chip could take shteins and sign them to 4 year deals and most fans would oooo and ahhh at the brilliance. how the hell can you have a conversation with people about these teams when every single thing they do is universally praised?
anyway, football.
They're a bit different to me because with Hinkie the argument is basically over an organizational strategy. With Kelly I think you're arguing against the masses who don't post here. I think a lot of people here are optimistic about Chip but that's different than just giving him a pass on every organizational move. I'm sure there will be plenty of criticism here if he gives up two years worth of draft picks to take MM.
Yep.
Give up two drafts and/or let Shady go and he will be blasted
Shady is going to go really soon one way or another. You know that right?
It almost feels inevitable. :'(
looking at this history of #1 picks by this organization, I have no problem giving up two #1's:
2005 Mike Patterson DT Southern California
2006 Brodrick Bunkley DT Florida St
2007 No Pick
2008 No Pick
2009 Jeremy Maclin WR Missouri
2010 Brandon Graham DE Michigan
2011 The Fireman Ladder 11
2012 Fletcher Cox DT Miss St
2013 Lane Johnson OT Oklahoma
2014 To pissed to even type it
Other than Cox and Maclin can't get to excited.
Quote from: MDS on March 02, 2015, 05:18:31 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 02, 2015, 02:28:59 PM
well i think his comment is rooted in deep frustration over not just the blind faith 99% of the fanbase has in chip but the fact that the owner of the team does as well....we are a small minority but it frustrates us to no end that this college coach after two years and zero playoff wins is in a position few nfl coaches in the history of the league have been in
basically....then again im the same way about hinkie
both hinkie and chip could take shteins and sign them to 4 year deals and most fans would oooo and ahhh at the brilliance. how the hell can you have a conversation with people about these teams when every single thing they do is universally praised?
anyway, football.
Is this s joke....you can to any medium at any time blog newspaper magazine message boards websites ESPN and find people destroying hinkie....you yourself have posted tons of hinkie hit pieces...shtein I've posted several
It's not even a comparison btwn the two
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on March 02, 2015, 05:50:14 PM
They're a bit different to me because with Hinkie the argument is basically over an organizational strategy. With Kelly I think you're arguing against the masses who don't post here. I think a lot of people here are optimistic about Chip but that's different than just giving him a pass on every organizational move. I'm sure there will be plenty of criticism here if he gives up two years worth of draft picks to take MM.
the amazing thing about the amount of chip support is that he wasnt even deserving of the criticism for lurie promoting him to the throne....the criticism should have been on lurie but because people are so in love with chip they wouldnt even question a move made by someone else that involved him
No one really feels that way. I'm just letting you know.
Quote from: Rome on March 03, 2015, 10:24:08 AM
No one really feels that way. I'm just letting you know.
so you supported his promotion or were against it?
QuoteFun nugget from NFL Source: "Chip isn't leaving the draft without Mariota, they have so many scenarios in place."
Winston is visiting the Bucs already. You never see this before FA. It's almost like they're being rushed....
Ok let's assume that the Mariota scenarios are true and that Chip is going all IN...
What type of deal would NOT piss you off?
assuming you are talking about if he plummets because theres zero chance they make a deal with tampa or anywhere near tampa i would only be ok with doing something if he fell out of the top ten (at least)
Two situations;
1 - they trade up to anywhere between 2-6 for him. Would you be down with that? What would they have to give up in your mind to make it an awful deal?
2 - he drops to 8-10. What would you think is fair to trade up in that range?
first situation is not possible and no i would not do the second one....im not even sure he can play in the league much less be willing to give up a ransom for him
if he was good enough to warrant a team moving up 15 spots into the top ten to get him then he wouldnt be available....this isnt andrew luck
How about they don't get him, let him come up short with the team that drafts him and bring him in as a backup in a few years? Yes, I'm kidding.
I don't want them to move up for Mariota, but I'm bracing for it now just in case, so I'm not taken aback if they give up a billion picks to get him on draft day.
I didn't think it was going to happen before, but if Chip is really this obsessed with the guy....
I want a Super Bowl.
Kelly + Mariota = a minimum of (3).
Boom.
But the first situation IS possible if they give up enough.
I don't want them to give up a ton either but I'm also bracing myself for the deal.
Don't want them giving up Lane in any deal, but I'm not big on giving up three #1s either. If Foles is part of a package to TB or Tennessee, I wouldn't be upset.....He makes sense for both
I think they would give up McCoy before they gave up Lane. Lane is a cornerstone player.
One argument I hate that people make is "Marcus Smith was a first round pick, I'd give up a few firsts for Mariota!"
Yeah, and so were Fletcher Cox, and Jeremy Maclin...
Speaking of Maclin...I wonder if they will bring him back now.
Quote from: AshishPatel81 on March 03, 2015, 05:21:26 PM
I think they would give up McCoy before they gave up Lane. Lane is a cornerstone player.
One argument I hate that people make is "Marcus Smith was a first round pick, I'd give up a few firsts for Mariota!"
Yeah, and so were Fletcher Cox, and Jeremy Maclin...
Try and remember that an Eagles 1st Round draft pick is less than a 1st Round draft pick of most other teams. So, it's more like a half-pick...so giving up two #1's or even three only equals 1 to 1.5 picks really. I say pull the trigger.
lol at not giving up lane johnson....I don't want to give up anything for mm but if you think hes a franchise qb you should be willing to give up three lane johnsons...he isn't that good
if you want MM anyone outside of fletcher cox is expendable
Quote from: Rome on March 02, 2015, 08:12:50 PM
Shady is going to go really soon one way or another. You know that right?
Negrodamus up in this bitch.
farg it - trade the next three drafts for him. Why not now?
I have a feeling, assuming Lurie doesn't kill the deal, that Mariota is going to be an Eagle.
Chip wants this to be his team - he's played with the Fat Mans players. He's played with Howies players. Now he want's his players on both sides of the ball, from top to bottom. If there is a toilet scrubber that's sick of his job at the University of Oregon, Chip will pay to relocate him.
Over a week or so, the team has gotten younger and most of the old guard is gone.
Not sure how or what it will take to move up, and I have no idea how it will all turn out, but this is turning out to be one of the more interesting off seasons in recent memory.
http://www.reddit.com/r/eagles/comments/2xxwff/mike_missanelli_gets_email_from_unnamed_source/
Ummmmm
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 04, 2015, 05:01:53 PM
http://www.reddit.com/r/eagles/comments/2xxwff/mike_missanelli_gets_email_from_unnamed_source/
Ummmmm
I would not be surprised at all if Howie were to leak something like this. Especially if it's a ridiculous deal.
Already discussed in the other thread and I'd make that deal in a heartbeat
it kills me how people talk so non-chalantly about chip just gonna move on up from 20 to 2 or 20 to 6 or whatever and just get the franchise qb he wants hell with the rest of the league....farg the fact that no one in the history of the nfl has ever moved up like that and farg whatever team he chooses to trade with they are going to def accept his offer and farg teams 19 to 2 not being able to offer a better deal and farg teams from 19 to 1 maybe wanting mariota themselves....
chip is gonna pull it off for no other reason than mariota went to Oregon I guess?
its absolutely mind boggling to me and I don't get how normally really smart people both in and out of the media have been totally hood winked here and are falling for this shtein
No one has ever moved up like that?
QuoteAfter failing to strike a deal with Cincinnati and move up in the NFL Draft to the fourth spot to take Georgia wide receiver A.J. Green, the Falcons came back two spots later and consummated a trade with Cleveland to get the sixth pick and use it on Alabama wideout Julio Jones.
The Falcons really coveted a receiver in the first round because they were eager to move up from the 27th spot. It was a blockbuster deal. In exchange for getting the sixth pick, Atlanta gave the Browns five -- five! -- draft picks: their 1st- (27th overall), second- (59th) and fourth-round (124th) picks this year and their first- and fourth-round picks in 2012.
ATL from 27 to 6
that was for a wr not a franchise qb which is what I meant but failed to say...it also aint number one like people have been talking about with chip
It really feels all like misdirection to me. Also I can't remember seeing any of the national NFL writers treating the idea like something that could actually happen.
im not saying you are wrong but what would be the purpose of misdirection....to make another team move up and overpay?
also several national writers have pushed this deal as a reality....for example peter king has the eagles taking mm at #5 in his mock...to be fair there have been some people who have dismissed the notion out of hand but I have been floored by how many people are running with it
another reason why trading up into the top 5 is ludicrous to me and something that people don't seem to be factoring in is that another team has to be willing to drop down to 20.....how people think tampa would be willing to move from 1 to 20 is beyond me
also other teams see the eagle cap room their solid roster and chip kelly getting his franchise qb and all of a sudden the eagles number one next year could in theory be really low
I think Todd hundley is the real target here.
As each day goes by, I'm getting more and more convinced this is going to happen.
Maybe the national guys are pimping it because they've been good something to reinforce the belief?
Quote from: AshishPatel81 on March 04, 2015, 06:41:24 PM
As each day goes by, I'm getting more and more convinced this is going to happen.
1000 things have to go right for the eagles to be in the position to get MM...then chip has to want to do the insane deal and there is 0 evidence to support that he does other than people who dont know him/dont talk to him theorizing that he does.
Quote from: Butchers Bill on March 04, 2015, 04:52:18 PM
If there is a toilet scrubber that's sick of his job at the University of Oregon, Chip will pay to relocate him.
Not sure how or what it will take to move up, and I have no idea how it will all turn out, but this is turning out to be one of the more interesting off seasons in recent memory.
LOL & yes it is and will be. Buckle up sportsfans. Nothing, with a few exceptions, but lots of head sratchers since 2004 off season. March 10, lift off.
Yea, the Metro. So what
http://www.metro.us/sports/source-if-marcus-mariota-is-at-no-6-eagles-will-make-trade-with-jets/zsJocd---mCQODxZ1xjBVA/
QuotePHILADELPHIA (CBS) — Choo, choo! The Marcus Mariota to Philadelphia train keeps on rolling.
According to an NFL source via Kristen Dyer of Metro New York, if Mariota makes it to No. 6 in the draft, he will become a Philadelphia Eagle.
"The source said with "100 percent certainty" that if Mariota is available at No. 6 it will be the Eagles, and not the Jets, who will be picking at that spot," the report states.
"The source said that the Jets aren't in the mood to pick Mariota with their sixth pick and that if the Oregon quarterback is available," according to the Metro report, "The 'Jets will be shipping that pick away.'"
Per the source, "He's a great fit for their offense. This could be a case where the Jets could cash in and would be willing to do so. Not quite Ricky Williams level but we're talking multiple picks and perhaps a player."
Or they're trying to drive up the price for trading out of that spot. Whatever. What's talked about now isn't the reality of how things will shake out. This is flirting.
Bovada has 4/1 odds that Mariota is our week 1 starter. 1/7 against
godly thread
https://vine.co/v/OQMeI6lazqX
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 26, 2015, 12:14:37 PM
All autographed Foles merchandise on PE.com has been reduced (http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/2/26/8113805/nick-foles-autographed-merchandise-sale-eagles-online-store)
http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/john_canzano/index.ssf/2015/03/canzano_not_buying_the_marcus.html
Oregon's Pro Day is tomorrow. 99.99999% chance Chip is there
I'll take the over
"Let's dispel that right now," Kelly said. "I think that stuff's crazy. You guys have been going with that stuff all along. I think Marcus is the best quarterback in the draft. We will never mortgage our future to go all the way up to get somebody like that because we have too many holes to take care of."
i hope every moron eagle fan and pos media member who so stupidly perpetuated this myth for the last farging six months dies...and that includes everyone here
lololol
why does it get you so fired up?
BTW - GET MM!!
cause ignorance annoys me
But it isn't ignorant to think that;
1. a trade up from 20 is possible. You can say "but not for a franchise QB" but that doesn't ring true. I mentioned the Julio Jones trade and they went from 27 to 6. So what if this is a QB? When you look at the QB needy teams I can make a point for everyone beside TB & TEN in the top 10 not needing a rookie QB. I can even make a case that TEN would not go the QB route and stick with Mettenberger.
2. the guy who coached and recruited and loves Mariota wouldn't try to finagle a package to go get his guy
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 11, 2015, 03:36:12 PM
cause ignorance annoys me
so tell us all knowing one, is the air thinner up there ?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 11, 2015, 03:47:15 PM
But it isn't ignorant to think that;
1. a trade up from 20 is possible. You can say "but not for a franchise QB" but that doesn't ring true. I mentioned the Julio Jones trade and they went from 27 to 6. So what if this is a QB? When you look at the QB needy teams I can make a point for everyone beside TB & TEN in the top 10 not needing a rookie QB. I can even make a case that TEN would not go the QB route and stick with Mettenberger.
2. the guy who coached and recruited and loves Mariota wouldn't try to finagle a package to go get his guy
just stop it.....go away...it was never happening and had no chance to...stop being a fool
but dood on da radio angalo said dat da eagols coul get marriata if dey trayde up.
do ya tink chip is gunna do dat?
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 11, 2015, 03:03:23 PMi hope every moron eagle fan and pos media member who so stupidly perpetuated this myth for the last farging six months dies...and that includes everyone here
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 28, 2014, 07:57:05 AM
Let me make it real simple for you guys. The Eagles 2015 starting QB is on this list:
Nick Foles
Mark Sanchez
Sam Bradford
Matt Cassel
Kirk Cousins
Jay Cutler
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Robert Griffin III
Chad Henne
Brian Hoyer
Jake Locker
EJ Manuel
Colt McCoy
Matt Moore
Christian Ponder
Geno Smith
Michael Vick
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 11, 2015, 05:45:15 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 11, 2015, 03:47:15 PM
But it isn't ignorant to think that;
1. a trade up from 20 is possible. You can say "but not for a franchise QB" but that doesn't ring true. I mentioned the Julio Jones trade and they went from 27 to 6. So what if this is a QB? When you look at the QB needy teams I can make a point for everyone beside TB & TEN in the top 10 not needing a rookie QB. I can even make a case that TEN would not go the QB route and stick with Mettenberger.
2. the guy who coached and recruited and loves Mariota wouldn't try to finagle a package to go get his guy
just stop it.....go away...it was never happening and had no chance to...stop being a fool
The chances of it happening were slim - but possible. I'd argue this until my fingers fall off!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 11, 2015, 06:10:37 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 11, 2015, 05:45:15 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 11, 2015, 03:47:15 PM
But it isn't ignorant to think that;
1. a trade up from 20 is possible. You can say "but not for a franchise QB" but that doesn't ring true. I mentioned the Julio Jones trade and they went from 27 to 6. So what if this is a QB? When you look at the QB needy teams I can make a point for everyone beside TB & TEN in the top 10 not needing a rookie QB. I can even make a case that TEN would not go the QB route and stick with Mettenberger.
2. the guy who coached and recruited and loves Mariota wouldn't try to finagle a package to go get his guy
just stop it.....go away...it was never happening and had no chance to...stop being a fool
The chances of it happening were slim - but possible. I'd argue this until my fingers fall off!
I had only read the presser thus far but just saw chip on sports center answer the mariota question and after the question was asked and before he answered it he straight up cackled at the ridiculousness of it
but keep on tweeting and blog clicking on the info about
Man, are you going to backpedal so hard when they trade up and draft whatshisface.
at the very least a deal like that would have to include next years second
Like he would say he's gonna swing a deal in his PC today?
Pfffft.
I can form my own opinions and don't need some schlub blogger to tell me it's possible to trade up.
I've said that it was not likely and that I wouldn't do it bc I'd hate to go Mike Ditka and trade every goddamn pick.
So yeah - the possibility existed and still does that they could make a deal.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 11, 2015, 03:03:23 PM
"Let's dispel that right now," Kelly said. "I think that stuff's crazy. You guys have been going with that stuff all along. I think Marcus is the best quarterback in the draft. We will never mortgage our future to go all the way up to get somebody like that because we have too many holes to take care of."
See, he said it right there. Bradford to the Jets it is.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 11, 2015, 11:02:51 AM
Oregon's Pro Day is tomorrow. 99.99999% chance Chip is there
This was before the DeMarco Murray shtein btw. Chip isn't going so he can meet with Murray
He's sending Howie with an ipad taped to his chest so Chip can facetime with everyone.
could he fall to #20 after the mediocre Pro Day yesterday? (http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/could-marcus-mariota-fall-eagles-20-analysts-think-so)
Quote from: MDS on March 11, 2015, 05:47:41 PM
but dood on da radio angalo said dat da eagols coul get marriata if dey trayde up.
do ya tink chip is gunna do dat?
says the guy who started this thread.
yeah hes a fraud when it came to the mm stuff...he was all aboard hard
Quote from: MDS on November 17, 2014, 02:48:43 AM
the franchise is already sunk...you aint winning with nicky foles and marcos sanchize
shady + 3 1's + 3 2's....IN
Seems reasonable
if MM was as hot now as he was in november id still #dothedeal
my making fun of the mm stuff NOW is the people...and this is a thing...who think they are trading murray and bradford to get him
I listened to Missanelli a bit this afternoon, and it is ridiculous how many people are hell-bent on Kelly trading to get Marriota. Face it, Bradford is the Eagles' QB next season.
I hope a bunch of idiots take a bus up to the draft chanting for Mariota and then boo when they pick a RB.
Yeah, one more RB and this backfield will resemble the Bums 2011 starting rotation. One big ass let down.
Quote from: General_Failure on March 13, 2015, 06:43:45 PM
I hope a bunch of idiots take a bus up to the draft chanting for Mariota and then boo when they pick a RB.
It's in Chicago this year. The dirty thirty can't afford that trip
Quote from: Geowhizzer on March 13, 2015, 06:38:37 PM
I listened to Missanelli a bit this afternoon, and it is ridiculous how many people are hell-bent on Kelly trading to get Marriota. Face it, Bradford is the Eagles' QB next season.
your first mistake was listening to that icehole
but yes its a real thing. people have wild theories about them trading murray and matthews and bradford. im not even sure when murray and matthews are eligible to be traded. there's got to be something in the cba about that....outside from the ridiculousness
Quote from: MDS on March 13, 2015, 08:42:45 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on March 13, 2015, 06:38:37 PM
I listened to Missanelli a bit this afternoon, and it is ridiculous how many people are hell-bent on Kelly trading to get Marriota. Face it, Bradford is the Eagles' QB next season.
your first mistake was listening to that icehole
but yes its a real thing. people have wild theories about them trading murray and matthews and bradford. im not even sure when murray and matthews are eligible to be traded. there's got to be something in the cba about that....outside from the ridiculousness
Usually I listen to the local guys, but they weren't on today, so it was Dan LeBetard. I can't stand listening to him.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/15/talk-persists-that-eagles-wont-keep-sam-bradford/
I'll just drop this off riiiiight here for your enjoyment
QuoteIf Kelly wants to end the chatter about flipping Bradford for Mariota (especially with Mariota embracing it), Kelly has an easy way to do it. He can sign Bradford to a new contract, and he can insert the same no-trade clause the Broncos gave to Peyton Manning and the Cardinals gave to Larry Fitzgerald.
lol at Kelly giving a shtein about Mariota truthers still "chattering" about a make-believe trade.
Bradford is the Eagles QB. Get used to it, iceholes.
I don't know which is worse the idiots calling the radio stations with their Mariota theories or the hosts who keep entertaining the idea. I'm sure Chip inquired about what it would take to get him...it was too much so he went a different route. Bradford can run a hurry up and has a quick release...he didn't trade for him to use him as bait to move up.
If you keep listening to radio shows who only exist because idiots keep listening to them, you only have yourself to blame.
http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/118379746/marcus-mariota-philip-rivers-titans-chargers-eagles-chip-kelly
Let's play make believe!
Whatever. Not enough time for "what ifs" these days.
another MOCK with the Eagles trading up to #2 (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25152515/nfl-mock-draft-50-eagles-trade-twice-to-land-marcus-mariota)
These mock drafts are so stupid.
stupiest thing out there is sports.
Only thing stupider is people get paid for putting this shtein out there.
HOLY farg! I won't be ale to sleep tonight.
Your new Subway spokesperson:
(http://khnl.images.worldnow.com/images/7539752_G.jpg)
That's pretty disturbing
The Mariota hype machine is in full effect again.
yeah, i'm in on mariota...hope chip makes it happen.
The ears are the funniest part. God I want to stick my meat in that thing.
I love the dude in the suit. No one wears suits in Hawaii except FBI agents and sleazy attorneys. Oh and Jehovah Witnesses of course.
Latest rumor making the rounds is Bradford to Cleveland for 19, birds ship 19, 20, Cox and Kendricks to the Titans. Cox and Kendricks are going to need new deals. If this deal happened I could live with it.
no
Absolutely not. Cox and Kendricks are the only guys on D worth a damn.
hard pass
Not sure I'd trade Cox for Mariota 1 for 1.
kendricks is definitely in play....whether it be for someone else or a nonsensical mariota trade (i like him, but they clearly dont)
but if they trade cox -- who mind you, is 24 -- then i will drive to oregon and kill chip my own self
yeah, kendricks won't be on this team after the draft is over. i'm 95% sure of that.
Quote from: SD on April 25, 2015, 10:33:03 AM
I could live with it.
I agree with this....I wouldn't literally kill myself but id cry for a few days while going on a bender of incalculable magnitude
You're trading Cox/Kendricks/Bradford for Mariota in that scenario. Bradford is irrelevant in that deal and Kendricks is replaceable. Cox is the big loss in that deal.
Didn't that rumor come from Mark Eckel? Not sure how much I'd put into that.
You guys are way under selling kendricks...i think he's as good as cox and may end up being better
and yes while its fun to talk about the rumor is laughable
i'm not saying i want him traded, i'm saying i think that chip doesn't like him and will try to move him
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2015, 11:07:22 AM
You guys are way under selling kendricks...i think he's as good as cox and may end up being better
Also, women on Tumblr love flicking one out to shirtless pictures of him.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2015, 11:07:22 AM
You guys are way under selling kendricks...i think he's as good as cox and may end up being better
I don't think they trade for Kiko and re-sign Ryans if they think Kendricks is long for this team (figured he might be here this year but wasn't getting a longterm deal).
Quote from: SunMo on April 25, 2015, 10:54:56 AM
yeah, kendricks won't be on this team after the draft is over. i'm 95% sure of that.
I see what you did there
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2015, 11:08:30 AM
and yes while its fun to talk about the rumor is laughable
Agreed...heard it from two different sources one being Eckel so you know it's laughable. A lot of talking heads on the radio don't think the Eagles are giving up enough in the deal.
Kendricks is more replaceable than Cox. I'd rather they re-signed him but like sunny said I think he's gone because Chip is Chip. Have a feeling the draft is going to be like free agency with the birds making a flurry of moves. Whether it's Mariota or not I think they're moving up hopefully for a receiver.
Trading Cox or Kendricks would be incredibly stupid.
Quote from: SunMo on April 25, 2015, 11:12:30 AM
i'm not saying i want him traded, i'm saying i think that chip doesn't like him and will try to move him
Yeah and at one of Chips media sessions he said something like "yeah when he is on the field" in response to whether he liked Kendricks
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 25, 2015, 11:34:11 AM
Trading Cox or Kendricks would be incredibly stupid.
Kendricks is getting traded. Last year of his deal and he's not a chip guy. No way they're paying him.
chip loves ryans....he just traded for his oregon boy....they signed brad jones as depth and have najee goode. najee goode!
so, kendricks is very replaceable to them. your opinion might differ but bottom line its another andy guy who's gotta go.
Quote from: SD on April 25, 2015, 11:18:44 AM
Quote from: SunMo on April 25, 2015, 10:54:56 AM
yeah, kendricks won't be on this team after the draft is over. i'm 95% sure of that.
I see what you did there
im not sure that i seee it
95%...Kendricks wears 95
Boom
damn, im in touch with shtein
gotta love a coach who doesn't think michael kendricks is his kind of player
Only six feet tall, get that midget out of here.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2015, 01:05:19 PM
gotta love a coach who doesn't think michael kendricks is his kind of player
Culture club
Quote from: SD on April 25, 2015, 01:26:57 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2015, 01:05:19 PM
gotta love a coach who doesn't think michael kendricks is his kind of player
Culture club
I'm sure igy loved them as a kid.
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duh....a black gay guy was in the group
(https://cbsphilly.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/mariota1.jpg?w=600&h=338&crop=1)
Okay, I changed my mind. Now I want them to draft a runningback so that dork and thirty of his listeners can boo the pick again.
It's in Chicago so access for the mentally retarded dirty thirty isn't as easy as a short bus ride up to NYC.
Just saw MM at the beach down the street body surfing. He was with his family. Cloudy, rainy afternoon so the spot was empty. He didn't look that big and actually looked out of shape. Than again he was with a bunch of huge Polynesians so that may have skewed things. shtein, I say Birds draft his father. Dude looks like he could kick some serious ass.
Don reminding everyone he lives in paradise.
Std replies as always, gents...
:flipoff
I'm looking forward to the draft just to end some of the speculation. It won't end all of it, because there will always be rumors of a post-draft move that will be equally stupid and annoying.
Taking what they'd give up in compensation out of the equation:
Yay or nay on Mariota?
If this were joe blow coach I'd be out but since he fits Chip's prototype I'm in.
The more I see and hear Mariota, I'm out. He seems like a flake to me. A smart guy, no doubt, and probably a damn good player, but there's something not right about him. Same goes for Winston, btw. Love him to death for what he did for the Noles but I'm not sure I'd want to hitch my wagon to either one of the them.
The more I watch film and hear experts on Winston the more I'm out on him. I'd be 100% out on Mariota too but I'd like to see where the story goes with the Chip factor involved.
The problem is, you can't take what they'd give up out of the equation. If he magically dropped to them and they took him, I'd completely get it and wouldn't balk at the decision. Giving up anything seriously of significance is a totally different story to me.
I'd take Mariota if the compensation wasn't an issue.
But it is.
The reported deal of Bradford to CLE for 19 and then 19 + 20 + Kendricks + Cox would infuriate me
the question about compensation doesn't really have to do with the players you're giving up but the reason you are giving them up. if you believe in Chip and you believe that if he gets his guy that the super bowls will follow, there is no cost too high. if you don't think that then you don't do it
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 27, 2015, 09:18:40 AM
I'd take Mariota if the compensation wasn't an issue.
But it is.
The reported deal of Bradford to CLE for 19 and then 19 + 20 + Kendricks + Cox would infuriate me
What if they took Cox out of the equation, added Curry and maybe a 3rd round pick...would that be tolerable. Cox is the only untouchable to me
It doesn't take one guy to win Super Bowls, though. It takes a team of talented dudes. If you trade multiple talented dudes and replace them with scrubs in order to get a possibly talented dude, that's not a net win at all.
Quote from: SD on April 27, 2015, 09:25:36 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 27, 2015, 09:18:40 AM
I'd take Mariota if the compensation wasn't an issue.
But it is.
The reported deal of Bradford to CLE for 19 and then 19 + 20 + Kendricks + Cox would infuriate me
What if they took Cox out of the equation, added Curry and maybe a 3rd round pick...would that be tolerable. Cox is the only untouchable to me
No - I would prefer to not take anyone away from the front seven.
Chip released Jaccpot and traded Shady. There are no untouchables on that team.
And I'd be fine with 19, 20 Cox & Kendricks for say Andrew Luck but neither Famous nor Mariota is in that class. Not many guys are, obviously, but that sort of deal for either of them isn't the move I'd make. They need Safety, WR, CB and OL in varying degrees of urgency. What they have to do is trust the personnel guys they've put in place to start to acquire those guys now.
Curry doesn't fit a 3/4. It's actually a waste to have him on this defense because he could be a double digit sack guy in a 4/3.
Quote from: Rome on April 27, 2015, 08:58:10 AM
The more I see and hear Mariota, I'm out. He seems like a flake to me. A smart guy, no doubt, and probably a damn good player, but there's something not right about him. Same goes for Winston, btw. Love him to death for what he did for the Noles but I'm not sure I'd want to hitch my wagon to either one of the them.
fwiw in the last six drafts mchsay gives winston his second highest grade of any qb...behind only luck of course who got the highest grade you can get...mariota didnt make his top 5...of course this is on the field only...it doesnt take into account winston's knucklehead factor
Quote from: Zanshin on April 27, 2015, 09:29:44 AM
It doesn't take one guy to win Super Bowls, though. It takes a team of talented dudes. If you trade multiple talented dudes and replace them with scrubs in order to get a possibly talented dude, that's not a net win at all.
the point is you can easily replace the other dudes. teams spend years, decades even trying to find a quarterback. if you truly think that Mariota is the one guy for you and the guy that will take you there, then you do the deal. fletcher cox is a great player, but he's not someone you can't replace.
Quote from: Rome on April 27, 2015, 09:34:39 AM
Chip released Jaccpot and traded Shady. There are no untouchables on that team.
And I'd be fine with 19, 20 Cox & Kendricks for say Andrew Luck but neither Famous nor Mariota is in that class.
pretty much this times a billion
I agree on it taking a long time to find a QB...Buffalo and Miami have been searching for years to replace their all pro guys.
Curry is playing fine in a 3-4...is he untouchable? No. Hell no one is really untouchable but in order to move Cox and Kendricks plus draft picks I am going to need a whole lot more.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 27, 2015, 09:38:08 AM
I agree on it taking a long time to find a QB...Buffalo and Miami have been searching for years to replace their all pro guys.
and yet mariota from the start has been the block being auctioned to the highest bidder by a team whose qb is zach mettenberger.....
think about it
Quote from: SunMo on April 27, 2015, 09:35:07 AM
Quote from: Zanshin on April 27, 2015, 09:29:44 AM
It doesn't take one guy to win Super Bowls, though. It takes a team of talented dudes. If you trade multiple talented dudes and replace them with scrubs in order to get a possibly talented dude, that's not a net win at all.
the point is you can easily replace the other dudes. teams spend years, decades even trying to find a quarterback. if you truly think that Mariota is the one guy for you and the guy that will take you there, then you do the deal. fletcher cox is a great player, but he's not someone you can't replace.
This is my line of thinking as well, but I also agree you have to draw the compensation line somewhere.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2015, 09:43:37 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 27, 2015, 09:38:08 AM
I agree on it taking a long time to find a QB...Buffalo and Miami have been searching for years to replace their all pro guys.
and yet mariota from the start has been the block being auctioned to the highest bidder by a team whose qb is zach mettenberger.....
think about it
Different strokes for different coach. Mariota is more valuable to the Eagles because of the offense they run. I actually think Bradford would fit well with what Tennessee does, plus Whisenhunt was a fan at one point
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/31/whisenhunt-no-one-stands-out-like-sam-bradford/
Quote from: SunMo on April 27, 2015, 09:35:07 AM
Quote from: Zanshin on April 27, 2015, 09:29:44 AM
It doesn't take one guy to win Super Bowls, though. It takes a team of talented dudes. If you trade multiple talented dudes and replace them with scrubs in order to get a possibly talented dude, that's not a net win at all.
the point is you can easily replace the other dudes. teams spend years, decades even trying to find a quarterback. if you truly think that Mariota is the one guy for you and the guy that will take you there, then you do the deal. fletcher cox is a great player, but he's not someone you can't replace.
Two things there, though. One, I don't think those guys are that easily replaced, or we'd have more of those kinds of guys. Two, Mariota isn't a slam dunk. That's the problem for me. I get it if people see him as a can't-miss franchise QB. I'm just not sold on that being the case. Not saying he won't be good. I'm just saying I could just as easily see him being an average NFL starter.
Also, with the current anemic receiver situation, the defense better be good. Getting rid of your arguably two best players wouldn't help.
Quote from: SD on April 27, 2015, 09:47:56 AM
Different strokes for different coach. Mariota is more valuable to the Eagles because of the offense they run.
im not even talking about the eagles....theres no chance they trade to two for him and there never was
as ive said for a while now....and what romey just said.....mariota just aint that good...in a good qb draft the eagles might have a shot at him even at 20.....i could see an arron rodgers type drop for him....but its a hideous qb draft so his value is artifically inflated
i'm not a fan of trading up for this kid. it will cost too much. i know he fit in chip's system perfectly in college but will he fit in the nfl ?
If Mariota fell all the way to 20, I'd probably still have to pause on him. He's not terribly accurate, he's never played in a legit pro system and there's something about the way he carries himself in interviews that causes me concern. Again, obviously a smart kid with potential but not nearly enough for me as a GM to risk multiple picks and proven veterans on.
Quote from: smeags on April 27, 2015, 09:57:33 AM
i'm not a fan of trading up for this kid. it will cost too much. i know he fit in chip's system perfectly in college but will he fit in the nfl ?
where he fits in chips offense is that he can run...so he would bring the read option into play...and dont get me wrong thats farging huge...but other than that aspect of it you still need to be able to read defenses which is something mariota has never had to do and you need to make nfl throws...mm certainly has the ability to do that but has never been asked to do it so theres questions of if he will be able to at an elite level
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2015, 09:54:11 AM
Quote from: SD on April 27, 2015, 09:47:56 AM
Different strokes for different coach. Mariota is more valuable to the Eagles because of the offense they run.
im not even talking about the eagles....theres no chance they trade to two for him and there never was
as ive said for a while now....and what romey just said.....mariota just aint that good...in a good qb draft the eagles might have a shot at him even at 20.....i could see an arron rodgers type drop for him....but its a hideous qb draft so his value is artifically inflated
It's a hideous QB draft yet this?
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2015, 09:34:50 AM
fwiw in the last six drafts mchsay gives winston his second highest grade of any qb...behind only luck of course who got the highest grade you can get...mariota didnt make his top 5...of course this is on the field only...it doesnt take into account winston's knucklehead factor
A lot of draft folks don't understand how Winston is rated ahead of Mariota. There are a few other QBs who could go in the first two rounds. Wouldn't exactly call it a hideous QB draft. It's not 2012 but it's definitely above average.
im not saying they arent out there but i have yet to see one draft head rate mm higher....i have seen a couple of people say they wouldnt take winston because of his off the field stuff...but the vast consesnsus is that winston is clearly a better qb prospect
and one highly rated qb does not make a good qb draft...trust me its a really really bad class
i agree i'm not sold on whether MM will learn to read nfl defenses, i also wonder how well he will stand up to the hitting at this level if he does end up here.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2015, 09:43:37 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 27, 2015, 09:38:08 AM
I agree on it taking a long time to find a QB...Buffalo and Miami have been searching for years to replace their all pro guys.
and yet mariota from the start has been the block being auctioned to the highest bidder by a team whose qb is zach mettenberger.....
think about it
That could mean something but more than likely it is the fact that he's pigeonholed as a spread/shot gun guy and not a fit in Tenny's offense. Plus the Titans know the value in auctioning off the #2 pick and they could get a haul in return which is more valuable than drafting a QB in their mind.
Quote from: Rome on April 27, 2015, 07:52:02 AM
Don reminding everyone he lives in paradise.
Std replies as always, gents...
:flipoff
:-D I did say it was cloudy and raining.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2015, 09:54:11 AM
im not even talking about the eagles....theres no chance they trade to two for him and there never was
as ive said for a while now....and what romey just said.....mariota just aint that good...in a good qb draft the eagles might have a shot at him even at 20.....i could see an arron rodgers type drop for him....but its a hideous qb draft so his value is artifically inflated
Yep, I could see this happen as well. I don't think Titans are as high on MM as is being reported. Only team I see in the top 10 who has a real interest is the Rams, maybe Bears. Titans would be idiots if they don't take the USC DT Williams. shtein, Williams should be #1 overall. Fowler is another can't miss player. He is going to dominate at the next level.
Quote from: Don Ho on April 27, 2015, 04:41:19 PM
Quote from: Rome on April 27, 2015, 07:52:02 AM
Don reminding everyone he lives in paradise.
Std replies as always, gents...
:flipoff
:-D I did say it was cloudy and raining.
A raining day there is still better then most sunny days here.
So .... You know. herpes
Quote from: Don Ho on April 27, 2015, 01:57:39 AM
Just saw MM at the beach down the street body surfing. He was with his family. Cloudy, rainy afternoon so the spot was empty. He didn't look that big and actually looked out of shape. Than again he was with a bunch of huge Polynesians so that may have skewed things. shtein, I say Birds draft his father. Dude looks like he could kick some serious ass.
I'd like to see what he and Chip could do at the NFL level. I hope you punched him then filed a police report it was because he tried to rape you.
lol
:-D
bradford and 20 for cleveland's 12
12, next year's 1 and kendricks for MM
booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom
So basically they'll just take next year's draft off completely then?
Solid.
sal pal saying the chargers and eagles are both pushing hard to get the #2 pick from tennessee.
:crazy
Take this for what it's worth, but I have a buddy associated with the Eagles and according to him the deal on the table is:
Titans get: Cox, Bradford, 1st this year, 1st next year, 3rd in 2017
Eagles get: #2 pick in the draft
No fargity farging way. Holy shtein that is totally insane.
No way. No sir don't like it.
Dealing Cox/Kendricks/Boykin would be incredibly insane
Of course they'd do it. Chip gives no fargs. If he's fired, he's got a new job before the Eagles even start looking for a new coach.
sounds legit.
that's about what it would take to get all the way from 20 to 2. i'd rather trade kendricks than cox...but i'm sure ten would want cox more.
That deal is basically Cox and next years first for Mariota (this years first is swapped and Bradford is swapped). Still don't like it.
yeah...and the 2nd they gave up for bradford.
I am getting angry....i hope this doesn't happen.
Please say no, Tennessee....protect Chip from himself
i wouldn't freak out of that trade happened. gotta take a shot at getting a franchise qb. cox is really good but it's not like he was a game changer.
next year's draft would suck though.
Evidently Titans like Williams over Mariota and this deal would satisfy the DT need and they get Bradford for "free" to see if he can push Mettenberger, plus a first and a third in future years. This is all interpretation obviously...doubtful Tenn would tell the Eagles they don't like Mariota.
Quote from: Butchers Bill on April 29, 2015, 01:07:37 PM
Take this for what it's worth, but I have a buddy associated with the Eagles and according to him the deal on the table is:
Titans get: Cox, Bradford, 1st this year, 1st next year, 3rd in 2017
Eagles get: #2 pick in the draft
Gonna play devils advocate with this trade...not officially saying I'm for or against it.
Bradford makes $13 million this season. If he does anything worth a damn this season he's making $10+ Mill per next season. Same goes for Cox, who could possibly get a mega deal. The first this year is a wash because you're still getting a 1st (igy logic 101). So you're saving about $20 million in cap space next season, getting a franchise QB, and only giving up next years 1st and a future 3rd.
Quote from: Butchers Bill on April 29, 2015, 01:07:37 PM
Take this for what it's worth, but I have a buddy associated with the Eagles and according to him the deal on the table is:
Titans get: Cox, Bradford, 1st this year, 1st next year, 3rd in 2017
Eagles get: #2 pick in the draft
i like all of it except for fletcher.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 29, 2015, 01:12:26 PM
No way. No sir don't like it.
Dealing Cox/Kendricks/Boykin would be incredibly insane
dont loop a midget cb with two (potential) all-pros please...and i like boyk. but hes insanely replaceable.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 29, 2015, 01:22:59 PM
That deal is basically Cox and next years first for Mariota (this years first is swapped and Bradford is swapped). Still don't like it.
you must really not like MM. if you think hes the real deal thats a steal. i rhymed.
Don't believe in Mariota enough to justify being anything other than disappointed if that happens.
Rumors that Cleveland is offering #12 + #19 in a package for #2
Good. Hope they get him.
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 29, 2015, 02:16:14 PM
Rumors that Cleveland is offering #12 + #19 in a package for #2
That was shot down as a false rumor by one of the Titans beat writers
Quote from: MDS on April 29, 2015, 01:59:08 PM
Quote from: Butchers Bill on April 29, 2015, 01:07:37 PM
Take this for what it's worth, but I have a buddy associated with the Eagles and according to him the deal on the table is:
Titans get: Cox, Bradford, 1st this year, 1st next year, 3rd in 2017
Eagles get: #2 pick in the draft
i like all of it except for fletcher.
so youd do a trade that isnt happening to begin with if the eagles didnt have to give up the most valuable piece of it?
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 29, 2015, 01:22:59 PM
That deal is basically Cox and next years first for Mariota (this years first is swapped and Bradford is swapped). Still don't like it.
it would be...
give - foles, cox, 2015 4th, 2016 1st and 2nd, 2017 3rd
get - 2015 5th, mm
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2015, 02:27:12 PMso youd do a trade that isnt happening to begin with if the eagles didnt have to give up the most valuable piece of it?
it was more of a reaction to the made up deal, but yes.
i would rather give up kendricks or johnson or another 1 than deal cox.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2015, 02:27:12 PM
Quote from: MDS on April 29, 2015, 01:59:08 PM
Quote from: Butchers Bill on April 29, 2015, 01:07:37 PM
Take this for what it's worth, but I have a buddy associated with the Eagles and according to him the deal on the table is:
Titans get: Cox, Bradford, 1st this year, 1st next year, 3rd in 2017
Eagles get: #2 pick in the draft
i like all of it except for fletcher.
so youd do a trade that isnt happening to begin with if the eagles didnt have to give up the most valuable piece of it?
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 29, 2015, 01:22:59 PM
That deal is basically Cox and next years first for Mariota (this years first is swapped and Bradford is swapped). Still don't like it.
it would be...
give - foles, cox, 2015 4th, 2016 1st and 2nd, 2017 3rd
get - 2015 5th, mm
That is a disgusting trade for the Eagles.
And I do NOT like Bradford and am wishy-washy on whether Mariota is going to be good...he's no lock which is why I wouldn't want to see them give up so goddamn much.
dont worry big guy...its all bullshtein to promote the draft...the nfl is a farging genius organization
I hope he trades back for desean, lesean, and foles. That would be genius. For what you say? Exactly!
Obviously you trade Tebow and a 3rd for Jackson, but I don't know how you figure out the rest of it.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2015, 03:16:56 PM
dont worry big guy...its all bullshtein to promote the draft...the nfl is a farging genius organization
Exactly. They're loving this shtein. The suspense behind pick #2 will be off the charts. What will Titans do? Will Chip lose his mind? Does a surprise team move up? This is their answer to the fight of the century. Proably more exciting than Mayweather/Pacquiao
Mike Freeman said a team exec told him TEN asked for three first rounders for the #2 pick
Aim high, Titans.
thats either not true or they are talking about a team who picks real high....id be shocked if all it would take from cleveland would be 12 19 and next years 1....much less the eagles pick....its not just about giving up 2 its how far you have to drop....to drop from 2 to 20 would never happen which is why the eagles never had a chance....but even to drop from 2 to 12 and 19 would be huge and i think it would take more
we're 24 hours from the draft
the bullshtein machine is off the reservation
Florio:
QuotePer a league source, the Eagles are "doing all they can" to make the move from No. 20.
florio is an icehole
If any of these rumors are true that there are teams offering Tenn a blockbuster deal, they'd probably be smart to take it now and seal the deal. It wouldn't shock me if Tampa decided to take it instead.
We all know how this plays out. Eagles will trade for #2 just before the Bucs draft Mariota.
^^^ :-D
Hawaii press all over the Cleveland rumor.
I've been off and on the Mariota bandwagon. I'm off. I'd still be excited if they got him but once the compensation flashed on the screen my blood would start boiling. I can 100% see the Browns going for him, falling short. Eagles trading Bradford for him 19. Then giving up #19, 20, next years first, a 3rd somewhere, a 4th somewhere, Cox, Curry, Boykin and Kendricks. Something ridiculous like that.
Good way to describe the way I'm feeling too. I'd like it but once I digested what it actually took to get him I'd get nauseous.
If they get him he better be the real deal or he will get eaten alive.
It's not based on any facts really (quarterback is such a farging crapshoot), but I have a gut feeling Mariota will be a bust, no matter who drafts him. So count me out for all those deals. I'm prepared to eat these words when he wins a Super Bowl for Chip.
Either way I can't wait until this farce is over tonight.
Regardless of system I see him performing at a Tannehill level which can win you a sb if the right pieces are in place
@975TheFanatic: Tim McManus "Two 1sts, future 2nd round, Cox, Kendricks, and Vinny Curry is the latest package to be in the deal."
OMG no
Dear god no. Take Cox out of the deal and I'm actually fine with it assuming Bradford = the other 1st.
first of all, that was totally speculation on McManus's part. he never once said he heard that. he thinks that is what it will take
2nd of all the only bad part of that deal is Cox. kendricks is already gone and curry is ok but he's not a 3-4 player.
yeah i'd be ok with that deal if cox wasn't involved. then we better hope MM can play at this level as well ryans' and alonso's legs holding up.
yeah just take the most valuable piece of the entire trade out and then do it
go birds!!!
This is outta control...Jennaphrhrhrhr Frederick and FOX 29 are at 975 wearing leis with hula dancers and hawaiian pizza
man, where would they ever find another D-lineman if they traded their best one for a franchise quarterback?
I'll stick with what I've said all along. If he miraculously falls, I get taking him.
But to give up anywhere close what it would take to get to #2 just isn't smart. No matter how you cut it, he's a gamble-- QBs are almost always a gamble in the first. Factor in the compensation to get him and not only is he a gamble, but the pressure to be awesome would be off the charts. Even if he was pretty good, he'd be a major disappointment in that scenario. And he'd have to prove how awesome he is without the benefit of a defense or major draft picks in the coming years.
That's a zesty proposition.
can't be giving up all the star players from that awesome defense...just to get a qb.
wait.... :paranoid
taking made up trades that arent going to happen in the first place then changing them to be exactly how you want them to be so that they become better for your favorite team is awesome
Here's the thing that's splitting people: Do you think Mariota is a can't-miss franchise QB?
To me the answer is maybe, at best. Now, if you own the #2 spot and want to take a chance to find out, it makes sense. But giving up the farm to find out is just farging stupid.
I can easily see Mariota as a decent, but not great, QB. That's what it's about. To go get the guy, you have to 100% believe he will be a super bowl winning hall of famer. I don't think that's a slam dunk at all.
Quote from: hunt on April 30, 2015, 09:08:13 AM
can't be giving up all the star players from that awesome defense...just to get a qb.
wait.... :paranoid
The front 7 was pretty good, they played the run well and got to the passer, the defensive backfield was a mess. It's not just giving up those players, you'd have to find a replacement for Cox. Kendricks replacement is already here and Curry really isn't a fit. Taking that into consideration you also sacrifice draft picks to fill holes at positions like Safety, CB, OL, WR.
Quote from: Zanshin on April 30, 2015, 09:11:52 AM
Here's the thing that's splitting people: Do you think Mariota is a can't-miss franchise QB?
To me the answer is maybe, at best. Now, if you own the #2 spot and want to take a chance to find out, it makes sense. But giving up the farm to find out is just farging stupid.
I can easily see Mariota as a decent, but not great, QB. That's what it's about. To go get the guy, you have to 100% believe he will be a super bowl winning hall of famer. I don't think that's a slam dunk at all.
chip does though and he is going to try and get him. i dont see it happening but theres no doubt he is pushing hard to get "his guy"
i wouldnt do it for the obvious reasons, way too many holes on this roster as it is.
Quote from: SD on April 30, 2015, 09:13:08 AM
The front 7 was pretty good, they played the run well and got to the passer, the defensive backfield was a mess. Taking that into consideration you also sacrifice draft picks to fill holes at positions like Safety, CB, OL, WR.
exactly....if they were able to shore up their secondary the defense has sick potential...also chip has already come out and said that hes not mortgaging the future with picks....which is one of the many reasons a trade to 2 was never going to happen
i hope when this is all over he comes out and tells people what idiots they were....i also hope that hes having meetings right now with all the players invloved in trade rumors and telling them its bullshtein....its one thing to have the theory that no one is untouchable...but in practice you cant run a farging franchise by having every player on the active trading block at every second...it farging will kill the locker room...some players are already salty with all the talent they have gotten rid of...now three of their top four defensive players are supposedly on the block?
Quote from: Zanshin on April 30, 2015, 09:11:52 AM
Here's the thing that's splitting people: Do you think Mariota is a can't-miss franchise QB?
To me the answer is maybe, at best. Now, if you own the #2 spot and want to take a chance to find out, it makes sense. But giving up the farm to find out is just farging stupid.
I can easily see Mariota as a decent, but not great, QB. That's what it's about. To go get the guy, you have to 100% believe he will be a super bowl winning hall of famer. I don't think that's a slam dunk at all.
if you had to go all or nothing in his grade....he has much more flop potential than franchise potential...and its not that close
I actually agree completely. But the bottom line no one can look at him objectively and think "oh, yeah...can't possibly miss."
chip can
Quote from: SD on April 30, 2015, 09:13:08 AM
Quote from: hunt on April 30, 2015, 09:08:13 AM
can't be giving up all the star players from that awesome defense...just to get a qb.
wait.... :paranoid
The front 7 was pretty good, they played the run well and got to the passer, the defensive backfield was a mess. It's not just giving up those players, you'd have to find a replacement for Cox. Kendricks replacement is already here and Curry really isn't a fit. Taking that into consideration you also sacrifice draft picks to fill holes at positions like Safety, CB, OL, WR.
yeah, they'd have to replace cox. kendricks & curry...you mentioned as not really fitting or already being replaced...so what are you really give up there?
address s, cb, ol, wr in the remainder of the draft. it's not like they'd be trading EVERY pick to move up.
doubt any of this happens...but losing a few def guys isn't the end of the world. other than cox, they're as good as gone already.
I said "objectively." He's not objective, obviously.
thats be proven beyond a doubt in his first two years.
Quote from: Zanshin on April 30, 2015, 09:43:51 AM
I said "objectively." He's not objective, obviously.
i get that. but he's also the only person whose opinion matters. ;D
Well, in terms of moving heaven and earth going to get him, sure. In terms of how people react to that kind of stupidity, not so much. That said, I'll believe it when I see it. I'm still hoping it's all bullshtein. Let Cleveland mortgage the future. Then we can pick Mariota up in a couple of years for a bag of peanuts after he flails around there.
Quote from: hunt on April 30, 2015, 09:43:45 AM
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can't be giving up all the star players from that awesome defense...just to get a qb.
wait.... :paranoid
The front 7 was pretty good, they played the run well and got to the passer, the defensive backfield was a mess. It's not just giving up those players, you'd have to find a replacement for Cox. Kendricks replacement is already here and Curry really isn't a fit. Taking that into consideration you also sacrifice draft picks to fill holes at positions like Safety, CB, OL, WR.
yeah, they'd have to replace cox. kendricks & curry...you mentioned as not really fitting or already being replaced...so what are you really give up there?
address s, cb, ol, wr in the remainder of the draft. it's not like they'd be trading EVERY pick to move up. doubt any of this happens...but losing a few def guys isn't the end of the world. other than cox, they're as good as gone already.
Assuming they're not giving up their second you're talking about 4 positions of need with picks in round 2-7...not exactly ammo to improve all of those positions. The trade happens and they're most likely out next years first too meaning you don't have a 1st or 2nd next season to fill those needs either.
Quote from: Zanshin on April 30, 2015, 09:11:52 AM
Here's the thing that's splitting people: Do you think Mariota is a can't-miss franchise QB?
The quarterbacks Chip Kelly has wanted so far have been Mark Sanchez, Sam Bradford, and Tim Tebow. If Mariota is the guy Chip wants, then I'm just going to assume he'll be the second biggest bust ever.
Quote from: SD on April 30, 2015, 10:07:56 AM
Quote from: hunt on April 30, 2015, 09:43:45 AM
Quote from: SD on April 30, 2015, 09:13:08 AM
Quote from: hunt on April 30, 2015, 09:08:13 AM
can't be giving up all the star players from that awesome defense...just to get a qb.
wait.... :paranoid
The front 7 was pretty good, they played the run well and got to the passer, the defensive backfield was a mess. It's not just giving up those players, you'd have to find a replacement for Cox. Kendricks replacement is already here and Curry really isn't a fit. Taking that into consideration you also sacrifice draft picks to fill holes at positions like Safety, CB, OL, WR.
yeah, they'd have to replace cox. kendricks & curry...you mentioned as not really fitting or already being replaced...so what are you really give up there?
address s, cb, ol, wr in the remainder of the draft. it's not like they'd be trading EVERY pick to move up. doubt any of this happens...but losing a few def guys isn't the end of the world. other than cox, they're as good as gone already.
Assuming they're not giving up their second you're talking about 4 positions of need with picks in round 2-7...not exactly ammo to improve all of those positions. The trade happens and they're most likely out next years first too meaning you don't have a 1st or 2nd next season to fill those needs either.
and thats 4 positions of need in the
starting lineup....you need the draft picks for depth too...with kendricks gone you are counting on a guy in his 30's with an achillies tear to take over...and holy farg look at the LB depth on this team (not to mention OL and S)...its frightening.....when you short yourself on draft picks you are shorting your whole roster not just needs in the top 22...this is what chip is talking about when he says they wont mortgage their future
Quote from: SD on April 30, 2015, 10:07:56 AM
Quote from: hunt on April 30, 2015, 09:43:45 AM
Quote from: SD on April 30, 2015, 09:13:08 AM
Quote from: hunt on April 30, 2015, 09:08:13 AM
can't be giving up all the star players from that awesome defense...just to get a qb.
wait.... :paranoid
The front 7 was pretty good, they played the run well and got to the passer, the defensive backfield was a mess. It's not just giving up those players, you'd have to find a replacement for Cox. Kendricks replacement is already here and Curry really isn't a fit. Taking that into consideration you also sacrifice draft picks to fill holes at positions like Safety, CB, OL, WR.
yeah, they'd have to replace cox. kendricks & curry...you mentioned as not really fitting or already being replaced...so what are you really give up there?
address s, cb, ol, wr in the remainder of the draft. it's not like they'd be trading EVERY pick to move up. doubt any of this happens...but losing a few def guys isn't the end of the world. other than cox, they're as good as gone already.
Assuming they're not giving up their second you're talking about 4 positions of need with picks in round 2-7...not exactly ammo to improve all of those positions. The trade happens and they're most likely out next years first too meaning you don't have a 1st or 2nd next season to fill those needs either.
agreed that it's a huge gamble. need a plan to address those other needs if you go all in on mariota. i'm sure chip knows that.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2015, 10:17:17 AM
Quote from: SD on April 30, 2015, 10:07:56 AM
Quote from: hunt on April 30, 2015, 09:43:45 AM
Quote from: SD on April 30, 2015, 09:13:08 AM
Quote from: hunt on April 30, 2015, 09:08:13 AM
can't be giving up all the star players from that awesome defense...just to get a qb.
wait.... :paranoid
The front 7 was pretty good, they played the run well and got to the passer, the defensive backfield was a mess. It's not just giving up those players, you'd have to find a replacement for Cox. Kendricks replacement is already here and Curry really isn't a fit. Taking that into consideration you also sacrifice draft picks to fill holes at positions like Safety, CB, OL, WR.
yeah, they'd have to replace cox. kendricks & curry...you mentioned as not really fitting or already being replaced...so what are you really give up there?
address s, cb, ol, wr in the remainder of the draft. it's not like they'd be trading EVERY pick to move up. doubt any of this happens...but losing a few def guys isn't the end of the world. other than cox, they're as good as gone already.
Assuming they're not giving up their second you're talking about 4 positions of need with picks in round 2-7...not exactly ammo to improve all of those positions. The trade happens and they're most likely out next years first too meaning you don't have a 1st or 2nd next season to fill those needs either.
and thats 4 positions of need in the starting lineup....you need the draft picks for depth too...with kendricks gone you are counting on a guy in his 30's with an achillies tear to take over...and holy farg look at the LB depth on this team (not to mention OL and S)...its frightening.....when you short yourself on draft picks you are shorting your whole roster not just needs in the top 22...this is what chip is talking about when he says they wont mortgage their future
Yep.
I sure as hell hope he wasn't posturing with the not mortgaging the future shtein. Because if they did this deal then he's blown it up not mortgaged it
i hope he gets him just to see all you dopes cry about it
Quote from: SunMo on April 30, 2015, 10:30:37 AM
i hope he gets him just to see all you dopes cry about it
:-D
i'm not worried about trading away all those draft picks that turn into marcus smith & josh huff types.
Trying to get into their thinking: this year is Mariota's first year so they know they aren't winning shtein with a rookie qb. You shed Bradford/Cox/Kendrick (what it would take to re-sign all 3...lets just say $30 million)...you shed other contracts like Celek/Ryan's/Mathis and suddenly have enough cap space to fill holes. That's playing with fire but I can't see how else they're filling the other holes. Safety is my biggest concern...right now it's Jenkins and Wolff who can't stay healthy. They have nothing beyond that except a 4th round hybrid who hasn't shown much
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 30, 2015, 10:22:56 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2015, 10:17:17 AM
Quote from: SD on April 30, 2015, 10:07:56 AM
Quote from: hunt on April 30, 2015, 09:43:45 AM
Quote from: SD on April 30, 2015, 09:13:08 AM
Quote from: hunt on April 30, 2015, 09:08:13 AM
can't be giving up all the star players from that awesome defense...just to get a qb.
wait.... :paranoid
The front 7 was pretty good, they played the run well and got to the passer, the defensive backfield was a mess. It's not just giving up those players, you'd have to find a replacement for Cox. Kendricks replacement is already here and Curry really isn't a fit. Taking that into consideration you also sacrifice draft picks to fill holes at positions like Safety, CB, OL, WR.
yeah, they'd have to replace cox. kendricks & curry...you mentioned as not really fitting or already being replaced...so what are you really give up there?
address s, cb, ol, wr in the remainder of the draft. it's not like they'd be trading EVERY pick to move up. doubt any of this happens...but losing a few def guys isn't the end of the world. other than cox, they're as good as gone already.
Assuming they're not giving up their second you're talking about 4 positions of need with picks in round 2-7...not exactly ammo to improve all of those positions. The trade happens and they're most likely out next years first too meaning you don't have a 1st or 2nd next season to fill those needs either.
and thats 4 positions of need in the starting lineup....you need the draft picks for depth too...with kendricks gone you are counting on a guy in his 30's with an achillies tear to take over...and holy farg look at the LB depth on this team (not to mention OL and S)...its frightening.....when you short yourself on draft picks you are shorting your whole roster not just needs in the top 22...this is what chip is talking about when he says they wont mortgage their future
Yep.
I sure as hell hope he wasn't posturing with the not mortgaging the future shtein. Because if they did this deal then he's blown it up not mortgaged it
he wasnt posturing....he has to actually call other teams and tell them what hes willing to give up to get a player so they already know if hes willing to mortgage the future or not...him saying he wont mortgage the future at a presser doesnt mean shtein to other teams...i honestly believe hes maybe more tired than i am at the idiotic mm bullshtein
he cant get from 20 to 2...its impossible....and no team is dropping from 2 to 20 when a qb is there...so you dont need to worry about it
i suppose there is a 3% chance he traded twice to move up
What is funnier?
People freaking out because the team gets worse or the team getting worse?
definitely people freaking out because they think the team got worse
So you're saying that IF (gotta clarify that IF part) they did this deal(s) and Cox/Kendricks/Boykin/two #1's are sent away then the Eagles haven't gotten worse?
Quote from: SD on April 30, 2015, 10:33:24 AM
Trying to get into their thinking: this year is Mariota's first year so they know they aren't winning shtein with a rookie qb. You shed Bradford/Cox/Kendrick (what it would take to re-sign all 3...lets just say $30 million)...you shed other contracts like Celek/Ryan's/Mathis and suddenly have enough cap space to fill holes. That's playing with fire but I can't see how else they're filling the other holes. Safety is my biggest concern...right now it's Jenkins and Wolff who can't stay healthy. They have nothing beyond that except a 4th round hybrid who hasn't shown much
shtein even jenkins is a hybrid....hes not a very good safety especially over the top....hes more a safety that is a good dime cb
they need a centerfielder so bad that can cover
in the short term? of course.
i'll take a little pain short term to get a franchise qb
Quote from: SunMo on April 30, 2015, 10:39:39 AM
in the short term? of course.
i'll take a little pain short term to get a franchise qb
beat me to it.
going with a rookie qb means you're looking 2-3 years ahead anyway. use that time to fill other holes.
it's not like they're sb contenders this year or next w/o doing the trade.
Quote from: SunMo on April 30, 2015, 10:39:39 AM
in the short term? of course.
i'll take a little pain short term to get a franchise qb
probably a 5-10% chance hes a franchise qb
i understand the hope aspect of it...there isnt a fan out there that doesnt love the idea of having a franchise qb....but at some point common sense needs to enter the equation
theres just as much maybe even more chance sam bradford becomes their franchise qb than mm...and you dont have to trade for him
Quote from: SunMo on April 30, 2015, 10:30:37 AM
i hope he gets him just to see all you dopes cry about it
This times infinity.
Quote from: hunt on April 30, 2015, 10:41:08 AM
Quote from: SunMo on April 30, 2015, 10:39:39 AM
in the short term? of course.
i'll take a little pain short term to get a franchise qb
beat me to it.
going with a rookie qb means you're looking 2-3 years ahead anyway. use that time to fill other holes.
it's not like they're sb contenders this year or next w/o doing the trade.
Then why sign guys like Murray and Maxwell if you're looking 2-3 years down the line? This isn't the Flyers.
Quote from: hunt on April 30, 2015, 10:41:08 AM
Quote from: SunMo on April 30, 2015, 10:39:39 AM
in the short term? of course.
i'll take a little pain short term to get a franchise qb
beat me to it.
going with a rookie qb means you're looking 2-3 years ahead anyway. use that time to fill other holes.
it's not like they're sb contenders this year or next w/o doing the trade.
yeah sure just plug a million holes with low round draft picks because your been in the nfl for five minutes coach/GM is so adept at player evaluation
this is so easy
Quote from: SD on April 30, 2015, 10:46:28 AM
Quote from: hunt on April 30, 2015, 10:41:08 AM
Quote from: SunMo on April 30, 2015, 10:39:39 AM
in the short term? of course.
i'll take a little pain short term to get a franchise qb
beat me to it.
going with a rookie qb means you're looking 2-3 years ahead anyway. use that time to fill other holes.
it's not like they're sb contenders this year or next w/o doing the trade.
Then why sign guys like Murray and Maxwell if you're looking 2-3 years down the line? This isn't the Flyers.
they are going to trade those two to replace the draft picks used to get franchise mm then fill seventeen holes with all the HUGE draft HITS they make
hey, i think the chances chip gets mariota are <20%...so we're just bs'ing here. but i do believe that chip sees mm as that franchise qb who is so difficult to acquire....other positions are much easier to fill.
20 to 2 is next to impossible though...i expect us to all look back at this thread & wonder why we even bothered.
Quote from: SD on April 30, 2015, 10:46:28 AM
Quote from: hunt on April 30, 2015, 10:41:08 AM
Quote from: SunMo on April 30, 2015, 10:39:39 AM
in the short term? of course.
i'll take a little pain short term to get a franchise qb
beat me to it.
going with a rookie qb means you're looking 2-3 years ahead anyway. use that time to fill other holes.
it's not like they're sb contenders this year or next w/o doing the trade.
Then why sign guys like Murray and Maxwell if you're looking 2-3 years down the line? This isn't the Flyers.
idk man, i was told he has a plan and this is all part of it
i just think there's no way he doesn't go get him
im not disagreeing with what chips thinks but if its so easy to plug holes why has the eagles secondary been shtein for the better part of a decade
why have they had one good qb in the last 50 years
you dont just snap your fingers and make great draft picks...you have to have good people in the right positions with a strong infastructure to do it
trade cox kendricks and five draft picks for ozzie newsome and i might be IN
Quote from: hunt on April 30, 2015, 10:41:08 AM
Quote from: SunMo on April 30, 2015, 10:39:39 AM
in the short term? of course.
i'll take a little pain short term to get a franchise qb
beat me to it.
going with a rookie qb means you're looking 2-3 years ahead anyway. use that time to fill other holes.
it's not like they're sb contenders this year or next w/o doing the trade.
i dont think so, the thought would be that MM can come in and produce imed.
Quote from: smeags on April 30, 2015, 11:30:50 AM
Quote from: hunt on April 30, 2015, 10:41:08 AM
Quote from: SunMo on April 30, 2015, 10:39:39 AM
in the short term? of course.
i'll take a little pain short term to get a franchise qb
beat me to it.
going with a rookie qb means you're looking 2-3 years ahead anyway. use that time to fill other holes.
it's not like they're sb contenders this year or next w/o doing the trade.
i dont think so, the thought would be that MM can come in and produce imed.
i think mm starts day 1 & produces...but the team wouldn't contend until years 2-3...once the other holes are filled.
question is...how long until they contend if they don't get mm and stick w/ bradford??? :paranoid
well if the team can score 50pnts a game i see need for concern. :paranoid
not sure this mariota thing is gonna happen guys
Quote from: SD on April 25, 2015, 10:33:03 AM
Latest rumor making the rounds is Bradford to Cleveland for 19, birds ship 19, 20, Cox and Kendricks to the Titans. Cox and Kendricks are going to need new deals. If this deal happened I could live with it.
KILL YOURSELF!
that wasnt very nice.
Quote from: smeags on April 30, 2015, 03:19:41 PM
that wasnt very nice.
These deals equate to letting someone rape your mother, sister, and wife. Then trading away your first born daughter and son for MM. GO farg YOURSELVES.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 30, 2015, 08:53:42 AM
This is outta control...Jennaphrhrhrhr Frederick and FOX 29 are at 975 wearing leis with hula dancers and hawaiian pizza
farging haoles!
Quote from: Chameleon on April 30, 2015, 03:41:42 PM
Quote from: smeags on April 30, 2015, 03:19:41 PM
that wasnt very nice.
These deals equate to letting someone rape your mother, sister, and wife. Then trading away your first born daughter and son for MM. GO farg YOURSELVES.
i think you may be embellishing a smidge there.
Quote from: Chameleon on April 30, 2015, 03:41:42 PM
Quote from: smeags on April 30, 2015, 03:19:41 PM
that wasnt very nice.
These deals equate to letting someone rape your mother, sister, and wife. Then trading away your first born daughter and son for MM. GO farg YOURSELVES.
Lol
Karma karma karma chameleon is hilarious
he doesnt seem to be onboard with the trade possibilities. :-D
status quo has been working just fine, thanks.
I heard a rumor a few minutes ago. Not sure if I can quite believe it, though.
So, same as every other rumor ever?
bob holtzmen just said three teams have contacted the titans about the pick and none of them is the eagles
i believe this
Quote from: Chameleon on April 30, 2015, 03:07:30 PM
Quote from: SD on April 25, 2015, 10:33:03 AM
Latest rumor making the rounds is Bradford to Cleveland for 19, birds ship 19, 20, Cox and Kendricks to the Titans. Cox and Kendricks are going to need new deals. If this deal happened I could live with it.
KILL YOURSELF!
You first
it was fun while it lasted
It really was.
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domo arigato marcus marioto
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HA! Right up there with Tagliabu and "Mike Mamyoulah" in the 95 draft.