Productive as hell in college.
Discuss.
This is for Dio!
took him way too high....i thought he was a middle round pick
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzCcnKiZUSs
http://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/louisville/2014/05/08/ex-louisville-marcus-smith-nfl-draft/8856423/
QuoteSmith said he flew to New Orleans, Indianapolis, Tennessee, Washington, D.C., and Philadelphia for individual workouts for their teams. Washington and Tennessee have two of the first 10 picks in the second round, The other teams have picks in the 50s and late in the first round
Smith mentioned the outside chance that he could go late in the first round,
Yes, now the Eagles have their own stupid facemask player!
Aww, no. Just a misleading youtube thumbnail.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=112459&draftyear=2014&genpos=DE
Would rather have traded the pick to the Dolphins for Dion Jordan.
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/02fe4ed353326be0fb0a0924d766297f/tumblr_n5aegh8f6V1qhkbk8o1_400.gif)
Definitely faked me out with the "Mar" to start the name. Figured it was Lee for a split second.
more i think about it the more this shouldn't surprise.....its a classic chip kelly pick all the way....where he picks a player for his length and versatility rather than his talent....ultimately maybe that way of thinking works....i prefer talent myself
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on May 08, 2014, 11:27:06 PM
Definitely faked me out with the "Mar" to start the name. Figured it was Lee for a split second.
:-D same here. I went from being quite happy to quite disappointed when I heard "cus" and not "qise". I thought the commish farged up and meant to say Marqise Lee.
It's not like this guy wasn't productive in college though.
I've been saying give me production. He's an edge rusher who can get to the QB
hes not a great edge rusher at all....if youw anted that top end edge rushing potential then chewy was the pick
clearly the eagles preferred an all around 3-4 olb....snith will drop or rush...but he not great at either...hes smaller but hes basically like connor barwin...and theres nothing wrong with eventually turning into a super versatile guy like that but it wasn't necessary to pick him where they did
http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/eagles-draft-olbde-marcus-smith-26th-overall
QuoteSmith (see bio) was widely projected as an early second-round pick. He's the first linebacker the Eagles have drafted in the first round since Jerry Robinson out of UCLA in 1979.
As a senior, Smith had 14½ sacks, second-most in NCAA Division 1, and 18½ tackles for loss. He was a third-team All-America and the AAC Defensive Player of the Year. He's the first Louisville player since the Ravens' Elvis Dumervil to earn All-American honors
McShay had him graded as the 80th best overall prospect.
Weird shtein happens when you've got a 1st year rah rah college coach.
QuoteOverall, Smith doesn't look like an ideal pass-rusher, and he needs some polish to his game. He likely won't start right away, but that doesn't matter in Philadelphia. With such a high-paced offense to play alongside, the defense will have plenty of pass-rushing snaps to rotate him into.
:-o
Quote from: SD on May 08, 2014, 11:21:34 PM
Would rather have traded the pick to the Dolphins for Dion Jordan.
I realize the Big East/American isn't the Pac-12, but Smith had as many sacks this season as Jordan had in his 4-year Oregon career
I'm not gonna go Homer J here because I'm not excited about the pick, but this isn't Jon Harris all over again
Oh my god! Jon Harris! I still have sleepless nights over that pick.
more tidbits
Quote"Marcus Smith is a pretty exciting edge player. The important thing ultimately is 'can this kid play?' They have Connor Barwin on one side and Trent Cole, who will turn 32 years old, on the other. In that scheme he's a perfect fit. The pick attacks an area of need for the Eagles, and they got some extra picks in the process." -- Mike Mayock
I'm not bursting at the seams with excitement but I am fine with the pick.
I like taking defense
I like taking a guy who will get pressure
I like productivity
Their lack of pressure was a huge impediment to success. Cole is older and not suited for a 3-4 (despite his late season burst of sacks), Barwin is a nice player but what else do they have on the outside?
I mentioned Greg Jennings and Brandon Marshall the other day as guys who didn't play against elite competition but ultimately produced and that translated to success in the NFL. Both of those guys I was in favor of the Eagles taking.
Does Smith fit the mold of a first rounder? Doesn't seem like it. But at the bottom of the round you can take a guy like this if you're confident in him. They're trusting the tape. And one thing to remember about Kelly is his eye for talent in the college ranks.
my guess is that Chip isn't especially happy with this pic either and they couldn't get a deal done in time to trade back again.
if hes good - hooray chip
if hes bad - booo chip
and such
Smartest guys in the room.
I'm still pissed. farg these guys.
I went to bed at the 24th pick. Knew they'd farg this up.
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 09, 2014, 12:51:37 AM
Quote from: SD on May 08, 2014, 11:21:34 PM
Would rather have traded the pick to the Dolphins for Dion Jordan.
Smith had as many sacks this season as Jordan had in his 4-year Oregon career
so did vernon gholston the year he was drafted...shtein maybe the eagles should take michael sam in the second round tonight....hes super productive
one day hopefully people will be able to know the difference between production and talent...if you think the guys gonna be a great edge rusher or even think hes gonna be a great 3-4 backer then fine make the argument...no one is saying hes a bum....but don't refer to how many sacks he had in a particular season...its better to have 14 sacks than zero I suppose...but for the most part production is a nice word in the 6th round....it doesn't mean a whole lot in the first
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 09, 2014, 12:51:37 AM
Quote from: SD on May 08, 2014, 11:21:34 PM
Would rather have traded the pick to the Dolphins for Dion Jordan.
I realize the Big East/American isn't the Pac-12, but Smith had as many sacks this season as Jordan had in his 4-year Oregon career
I'm not gonna go Homer J here because I'm not excited about the pick, but this isn't Jon Harris all over again
Jordan is longer and has a higher ceiling. I don't necessarily mind the pick, I just hate that they reached.
Has Howie ever taken a good pash rusher? Graham, Teo, Curry
Quote from: SD on May 09, 2014, 08:29:16 AM
Has Howie ever taken a good pash rusher? Graham, Teo, Curry
nope
imo tho this is a chipper pick all the way and he doesn't have a track record yet of failure at the position like you just mentioned with howie...so while I think the place they took smith was pretty absurd and I don't see the possibility for greatness in him I will keep an open mind and hope that chips long and versatile philosophy is the right one
When stuff like this happens, the Eagles reaching or taking someone other than the obvious choices...ever notice the fans are always right and they never prove us wrong?
I'm not about to pretend I know anything about this guy (or 90% of the players in the draft) but it was a head scratcher pick. Hopefully he plays well.
After Cooks went to NO there was no pick that would have satisfied everyone I know, but who would you guys have preferred they picked? Serious question here because I don't follow players in college football, just teams.
Quote from: TexasEagle on May 09, 2014, 09:30:17 AM
I'm not about to pretend I know anything about this guy (or 90% of the players in the draft) but it was a head scratcher pick. Hopefully he plays well.
After Cooks went to NO there was no pick that would have satisfied everyone I know, but who would you guys have preferred they picked? Serious question here because I don't follow players in college football, just teams.
theres seriously too many to mention...I personally wouldn't have taken smith before the third round
I like this guy. Solid last name.
not sure about you guys but last night has me super pumped to make my next season ticket payment on 5/14.
:yay
Quote from: TexasEagle on May 09, 2014, 09:30:17 AMAfter Cooks went to NO there was no pick that would have satisfied everyone I know, but who would you guys have preferred they picked? Serious question here because I don't follow players in college football, just teams.
Clinton-Dix went to GB with the next pick (and said "damn" on TV when it was announced)
Deone Bucannon
Kelvin Benjamin
Marqise Lee (who has some questions about his knee) is still available
Ra'Shede Hageman (large DL that's also somewhat of a project) is still available
Louis Nix (NT with health issues but was considered top 15-20 before the season) is still available
Timmy Jernigan (DT who was projected top 15-20) is still available
Xavier Su'a-Filo (top 3 OG) is still available
The top WRs that are still left (Allen Robinson, Davante Adams, Cody Latimer, Donte Moncrief, Jordan Matthews, Martavis Bryant, Paul Richardson) should all go tonight (none were worthy of #26 anyway), but most might be gone by #54
the board of whiney funholes is acting like whiney funholes. super surprised you guys
Glad they got some extra value from 22.
The pick? Meh. I guess we'll see what he has in the fall.
Quote from: SunMo on May 09, 2014, 12:28:24 PM
the board of whiney funholes is acting like whiney funholes. super surprised you guys
In return you whine about fans voicing their opinions. I love you guys
I can only imagine what the "pulse of Philadelphia" and "the voice of the people" WIP screamers are saying. Did Angelo hang himself this morning?
McShay:
• I've learned over the years of doing this that sometimes the best picks are the ones that make the least sense on draft night, but I personally did not see Marcus Smith as a first-rounder. (For perspective, he was the 80th-ranked player on our board.) To the Eagles' credit, they moved back to No. 26 and got extra compensation, and he is a good system fit with high upside. But Smith brings some concerns, including his poor change-of-direction skills and stiffness in his movements.
high motor
i'm in. c'mon 9/7 !
Quote from: SD on May 09, 2014, 01:17:37 PM
Quote from: SunMo on May 09, 2014, 12:28:24 PM
the board of whiney funholes is acting like whiney funholes. super surprised you guys
In return you whine about fans voicing their opinions. I love you guys
You're not supposed to have opinions, especially emotional ones. Didn't you get the memo?
i'm not going to pretend to know a ton about the guy, but that "highlight" youtube reel looks pretty underwhelming. he looks like he likes to arm tackle though, so that should translate well to the nfl.
Really thought Cooks was going to make it to them at 22. Arizona was supposed to go QB at 20, and Packers picking in the secondary.
on nfl live homer jaws just named smith as the worst pick of the first round.....said he wanted more of a sizzle pick and that theres limited upside there
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 09, 2014, 02:58:08 PM
on nfl live homer jaws just named smith as the worst pick of the first round.....said he wanted more of a sizzle pick and that theres limited upside there
He's just a whiney funhole too
His press conference just ended. 10 minutes of zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. BUST!
:-D :boom :'(
farg. us.
He plays a position of need and is not a 38 year-old Canadian fireman. Have at least a shred of optimism, jeez.
Seriously, no one knows how any of these farging players are going to turn out. It's the same shtein every year.
jaws is espn's fancy new troll. i feel bad for him, hes a confused on old man doing what his bosses say.
as for the pick they drafted more for need than anything, which is fine. hes got massive arms and is a terrific athlete. like every single draft pick ever, who knows if itll work out. hopefully jewboy roseman and arrogant chipper know what theyre doing.
Quote from: MDS on May 09, 2014, 05:21:22 PM
jaws is espn's fancy new troll. i feel bad for him, hes a confused on old man doing what his bosses say.
as for the pick they drafted more for need than anything, which is fine. hes got massive arms and is a terrific athlete. like every single draft pick ever, who knows if itll work out. hopefully jewboy roseman and arrogant chipper know what theyre doing.
hes not a terrific athlete and jaws is one of the best football people around....stop talking about things out of your element and get back to studying zERA's
you are in correct in saying that no one knows 100% how he will turn out....but that might be the single dumbest lazy most worthless observation anyone can possibly give the day after a sports draft
There is literally nothing to say about this pick, or any other really.
Hope it works out. Glad I didn't stay up for it. Not going to pay attention tonight. I'll check in tomorrow to see who else Kelly and Roseman pick.
I'll be in tonight since I'm worn out on going to the bar so stream it on the PC again. Not that I pay much active attention to it, but without background noise I'd go crazy and there's nothing good on tv on a friday.
Quotejohn_keim
If the #taterskins go defense, not sure really who they'll take at 34. Guy they would have wanted, Marcus Smith, went in the 1st.
So Washington, ATL, BAL and NYJ wanted him
But he's Jon Harris reincarnated
who said he was jon harris...i seriously haven't seen that
also jon harris was a 4-3 defensive end that was a rated a 5th rounder
this guy is a 3-4 olb that was rated 2-3 round but is a chip kelly protoype
Best read back through the threads here and I saw people on twitter dropping Ray Bob's boy Jon
what legit football head said he was jon harris on twitter
I'm talking about fans not football peeps
those fans probably weren't even alive when harris was drafted
pointing out a random fan on twitter who calls him jon harris is a homer defense mechanism to try and deflect your own trepidation about the pick....its like easy flailing out with non sensical comparisons to dion jordan
I'm saying the fact that he apparently wouldn't have last to 54 is some validation to what Howie was saying. And then people flat out hate on the pick bc they don't know his name or couldn't locate Louisville on a map.
Hey, there's lots of places people can't find on a map.
i just don't get that argument....the lasting to 54 is irrelevant to people who don't think hes that good....that's not a reason to take someone...you take him at 26 cause you think hes a first rounder...you know there were a lot of players on the board at 26 that werent gonna be there at 54 right?
Yeah you're totally missing what I'm saying.
I understand all that about taking him bc you think he's your guy. Other people don't.
i don't think he was worthy of 54....which is why i criticize the pick....but i understand why they did it...hes a chip guy....chip cares more about versatility body type and leadership than anything else
this guy is basically bennie logan at a different position
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 09, 2014, 05:51:50 PM
Quote from: MDS on May 09, 2014, 05:21:22 PM
jaws is espn's fancy new troll. i feel bad for him, hes a confused on old man doing what his bosses say.
as for the pick they drafted more for need than anything, which is fine. hes got massive arms and is a terrific athlete. like every single draft pick ever, who knows if itll work out. hopefully jewboy roseman and arrogant chipper know what theyre doing.
hes not a terrific athlete and jaws is one of the best football people around....stop talking about things out of your element and get back to studying zERA's
you are in correct in saying that no one knows 100% how he will turn out....but that might be the single dumbest lazy most worthless observation anyone can possibly give the day after a sports draft
lol someone is salty....all those hours of draft prep not work out, kiper?
jaws is a troll: http://deadspin.com/tag/ron-jaworski
i love the guy but hes just skip baylessing around without the doucheness of being skip bayless. its an act like everything else on espn.
because he said matthew stafford isnt that good...and joe flacco is overrated....both those things are spot on
kaepernick not so much.....omg jaws might be wrong about something
the guy sits and watches film 24 hours a day ill take his word for things anyday over some pimply faced loser writing for deadspin who just wants website hits....you gotta come better with something other than deadspin crap
stop guiding your life off the internet...whether its twitter....deadspin...or vorp stats...you need to either realize what the internet is or stay away from it and re-acclimate yourself to normal society....maybe when you move back to philly and the real world it will get better
Jaws is a caricature. He's wrong so often it's farcical, dude.
no hes not....hes a great analyst and an even better film study dood....him and greg cosell are both superb...the nfl films crew pretty much all are...cosell diddy jaws mayock ect....
Don't get me wrong, here. I love the guy. He's got opinions and he's entitled to them but he's wrong a lot. His suggestion that Kelly's offense wouldn't work in the NFL is a prime example of his jackassery but it's hardly an isolated incident.
Is Diddy still on his game?
Last time I was home and I listened to him he sounded like he was slipping a bit
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 10, 2014, 09:14:47 AMthe guy sits and watches film 24 hours a day ill take his word for things anyday over some pimply faced loser writing for deadspin who just wants website hits....you gotta come better with something other than deadspin crap.
you are missing the point, but what else is new?
its not about his "opinion" on kap. its about the troll job that hes a willing participant in. jaws says something....espn makes it into news....other people ask about it....jaws comes back to explain. its a cycle of nonsense that espn created because they needed something to talk about.
they did it a few months ago when jaws bashed manziel. i have no idea if hes actually thinking these things, but the way its presented is 10000% a complete baylessian troll job on the audience. whether jaws understands that or not is a legit question. but he goes along with it so he can take the hit.
signed....4-yr deal
Diddy might have been off his game for a while now. I wrote him 2, maybe 3 years ago to ask him a question about Reggie White. I remembered he sometimes lined up inside at DT in the 46 so I asked how often and in what kinds of situations. It was cool that he wrote right back but he said Reggie just played DE. I then dusted off a randon game from '89 ( vs Giants, I think at the Meadowlands) and RW spent much of the second half lined up right over Bart Oates at center. I don't begrudge the guy being wrong but I think Buddy used White inside a good bit, and for a film guy that line was not a trivial part of Eagles history.
Marcus farging Smith. Anyone else upset over this? This franchise is great at jokes.
I thought he was currently on the witness protection program. This will go down as one of the all time birds busts. Great job Howie, you farging pencil dick nerd.
Also, to know that Benjamin was drafted a couple slots later. What a loser joke this franchise is.
He was a known project, the guys he was brought in to replace are outperforming expectations, and he's gotten most of his snaps out of position.
He hasn't done anything yet but it's a little early to give him the bust tag. Next year is a make or break season.
I'll give him until next season, he has the physical tools. If the light doesn't turn on next season then we can officially declare him a bust.
They could have had Benjamin...or Manziel...or Bridgewater...or a slew of other players. But they take the project.
I actually forgot this guy existed.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 10, 2014, 09:28:29 AM
no hes not....hes a great analyst and an even better film study dood....
he thought foles was the next montana based on the film study he did.
you still probably think hes the next montana
oh and you are trying way to hard....its almost pathetic.....release my bird from your mouthpiece....stat
wrong but the expected response from you, tinkle drinker.
howie's made some great moves....this aint one of them
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 30, 2014, 12:23:38 PM
I actually forgot this guy existed.
me too. But hey, Brandon mcdougle is starting to show up, maybe we just need to give this cat five years to develop
Quote from: MDS on October 30, 2014, 01:31:56 PM
howie's made some great moves.
I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not.
obviously you dont watch games, but malcom jenkins and darren sproles are sort of OK i guess...connor barwin....drafting lane johnson....donnie jones...cody parkey
he doesnt suck
Any average GM could've done that. He didn't pull some rabbit out of his ass.
Just to add to my point...it helped A LOT that this offense was flowin and had what looked like big yardage potential. Howie didn't have to do too much 'selling' to get these guys over here. Who wouldn't want to play on a team that appeared to be a few pieces (with Desean Jackson) from the Superbowl? Sproles felt he could add something big to this offense and Jenkins felt he could be 'the' missing link to taking this defense from sucky to good.
gotta agree with lil guy here. :o
Quote from: MDS on October 30, 2014, 09:26:20 PM
obviously you dont watch games, but malcom jenkins and darren sproles are sort of OK i guess...connor barwin....drafting lane johnson....donnie jones...cody parkey
he doesnt suck
Truth, but how the farg can you get nothing for Jaccpot? Terribly mishandled that
I'm no expert, but I suspect where they went wrong was cutting him and not holding on to him until someone finally makes an offer.
horrible contract...malcontent knucklehead player who would not go happily to place he didnt want to be...league knew they were going to just cut him
no value
Contract, shmontract. They could have eaten two of his contracts this year without worrying about the cap.
Could have kept him and just not used him until someone decided to offer something, I suppose. Giant fargin pain the ass that would've been though.
true but kelly wanted him gone
Quote from: General_Failure on October 30, 2014, 10:10:59 PM
Contract, shmontract. They could have eaten two of his contracts this year without worrying about the cap.
im not sure the nfl cba allows for that
Quote from: MDS on October 30, 2014, 10:09:22 PM
horrible contract...malcontent knucklehead player who would not go happily to place he didnt want to be...league knew they were going to just cut him
no value
Just like they chastise players for signing bad contracts, the Eagles offered him that contract...so...horrible contract doesn't apply. But he was a knucklehead...just wish he would have substituted a little more 'business' into his act. Maybe things would have been different.
it does apply because they couldnt move it....nobody was touching that
if you think they should've kept him thats valid. but his massive contract was a reason they couldnt find a suitor
i dont remember what was left on his deal here but are the skins really saving a ton ?
Quote from: Tomahawk on October 30, 2014, 10:00:18 PM
Quote from: MDS on October 30, 2014, 09:26:20 PM
obviously you dont watch games, but malcom jenkins and darren sproles are sort of OK i guess...connor barwin....drafting lane johnson....donnie jones...cody parkey
he doesnt suck
Truth, but how the farg can you get nothing for Jaccpot? Terribly mishandled that
yep...that way cancels out getting sproles....altho to be fair the pimp move was all chip...in fact when it comes to free agents i think its prob 95% chip...the focus on special teamers which has turned out magnificiently - chip....versatile slot/safety malcolm jenkins - chip...chip basically tells howie who he wants and howie trys to get him...sometimes it works as in this year...sometimes it doesnt...2013 was a disaster
the draft is different...chip certainly has input but its the scouts and howie who see these guys in person and watch the hundreds of hours of film...chip still wants his certain kind of player but the responsibility to pick the right player lays at the feet of the scouts and howie much more than in free agency
howie hasnt been the train wreck i thought hed be but he certainly hasnt been good
you know why no one wanted pimp....because info was being leaked by the birds about how he was the worst human being on the planet and was a rollin 60 involved in drive by's and shtein
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 31, 2014, 08:57:45 AM
you know why no one wanted pimp....because info was being leaked by the birds about how he was the worst human being on the planet and was a rollin 60 involved in drive by's and shtein
this was by far more of the reason then his contract.
his contract was not even big by nfl standards...plus with the salary cap growing as much as it is the contract was not an issue at all
yeah i never understood the contract gripes. plus again, howie didnt make the call to get rid of him. that's all chip.
but back on topic - whoever made the final call on marcus smith needs to be nut kicked.
imo thats pretty much all howie especially it being a defensive player....smith fits the chip mold of being versatile and long....but chip just has preferences in a certain kind of player....howie is the guy who makes the call on who that player is
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 31, 2014, 08:57:45 AM
you know why no one wanted pimp....because info was being leaked by the birds about how he was the worst human being on the planet and was a rollin 60 involved in drive by's and shtein
Where there's smoke, there's often fire.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on October 31, 2014, 12:13:14 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 31, 2014, 08:57:45 AM
you know why no one wanted pimp....because info was being leaked by the birds about how he was the worst human being on the planet and was a rollin 60 involved in drive by's and shtein
Where there's smoke, there's often lies.
The gang shtein was such a load of shtein. He hangs with people associated with gangs but so do many NFL players.
I'm still pissed they let him go. Even more pissed that he went to that shteinbag team he's with now because I can't root for him like I'd want to
The BS ties to gangs was just the headline grabbers. All in all, He's like AI, except AI always showed up in every game. AI's problem was those around him. Deseans doesnt seem all that different. Pimp's attitude as IGY would say Classic West Coast. If he wanted to, he'd be the best at his size. He's just always got that one thing holding him back. In the end, I still wish he was here, couldnt hurt.
The thing the team misses about Jackson isn't Jackson, it's his synergy with the running back formerly known as Shady. When you have an elite play maker at both RB and WR it is a 1 + 1 = 3 situation. Defenses are forced to pick their poison. Now they can just load up and stop McCoy and this is one of the big things affecting Foles.
yeah they definitely don't miss him getting everyone else on the field open who normally couldn't find an ounce of daylight on their own
FAIL
Can't even get in on garbage time. What a waste of a pick.
i dont think chip had any clue how this guy was....hes not scouting outside linebackers. hough and jmatt were all him.
this was 1000% howie
I expected to open this thread with just one new post saying "this guy farging sucks"
I expected the same from the Josh Huff thread.
a slow ancient 4-3 defensive end is light years ahead of this cat on the linebacker depth chart
Bring in Michael Sam?
For those who forgot what this dude looks like. Yes, lost.
(http://media.philly.com/images/090414_marcus-smith_600.jpg)
dude's got some tiny farging arms. like chickens wings. little farging chicken wings.
but he can get that edge yo
did he play at all? they were up by 100 and the titans running backs were utter trash. im guessing no.
He was in on passing downs in the 4th quarter after Acho got injured.
i'm expecting big things from this guy on thursday.
how much of a piece of shtein is this guy...
Billy Davis says if Acho can't go, Marcus Smith will go in behind Casey Matthews, but probably won't play as much as Acho would have
great draft pick. :yay
And you guys still want to defend Howie? farg you guys.
people defend howie?
i think he means howie kendrick
Honestly I can't recall one person on this board who ever defended Howie. If so I hope they are in some kind of therapy.
Just recently you guys were giving him praise for his 'moves'. That guy is a piece of shtein.
the sproles trade and jawnkins signing were nice, but nobody was praising him
isnt there something mitch kupchak did that you can whine about?
Nice one Dallas fan. Bring in something irrelevant into the conversation when you've got nothing else.
Quote from: MDS on November 26, 2014, 09:03:12 PM
isnt there something mitch kupchak did that you can whine about?
lol
Was pretty zesty by the end of the game...did he play?
Didn't notice him.
He looked pretty damn good during the national anthem.
Zero snaps for Smith this week.
howie's been whining that people have been killing him for this pick
jew bitch
Don't sign your posts.
lolol
Ha
that's actually not a half bad crack, especially for gf
well done?
i praise howie...he's done a good job. farg all yall..come get it
Quote from: SunMo on December 01, 2014, 09:55:37 AM
i praise howie...he's done a good job. farg all yall..come get it
I praise him too. farg the haters.
Wow you guys are pretty tough.
The Marcus Smith pick sucked. Fact.
Quote from: rjs246 on December 01, 2014, 10:52:46 AM
Wow you guys are pretty tough.
The Marcus Smith pick sucked. Fact.
Whatever hater
I agree
he sucks so far. i'm just not ok writing his career off. he was a known project when they took him. did they reach and probably take him too high? sure, ok.
i mean, brandon farging graham is finally contributing...sometimes it takes time.
SunnyMo, the voice of reason.
Quote from: SunMo on December 01, 2014, 02:59:53 PM
he sucks so far. i'm just not ok writing his career off. he was a known project when they took him. did they reach and probably take him too high? sure, ok.
i mean, brandon farging graham is finally contributing...sometimes it takes time.
Graham played and started year one and was ok until he got injured. Huge difference.
Not really.
What he said is right about guys needing time. Them dicking around and putting him at ILB has an effect too. Let him stay outside and just rush for now
With that logic. Jon Harris would have been a monster given enough time?
I'm not all that upset at the Smith pick because Jordan Matthews has contributed like a #1 pick as a #2.
But to suggest it wasn't stupid or a reach is, well, :CF at its contrarian best.
Quote from: hbionic on December 01, 2014, 03:36:33 PM
With that logic. Jon Harris would have been a monster given enough time?
Nah some people just suck. He sucked when he was on the field and showed no improvement.
Smith needs to be given time to show it one way or the other...and to actually play the position he was drafted to play. OLB
In what universe did Brandon McDougle contribute/play well/look good at any time before this season?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 01, 2014, 05:03:31 PM
Quote from: hbionic on December 01, 2014, 03:36:33 PM
With that logic. Jon Harris would have been a monster given enough time?
Nah some people just suck. He sucked when he was on the field and showed no improvement.
Smith needs to be given time to show it one way or the other...and to actually play the position he was drafted to play. OLB
Dude... he hasn't shown the slightest ability to play there. If he had he'd be playing right now. It was a stupid farging pick, period.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 01, 2014, 03:34:09 PM
Let him stay outside and just rush for now
holy shtein for the millionth time: hes not an edge rusher
and 9-3 teams dont put players who suck on the field just because they wanna see what they got....that would not just be stupid on the field but it would be incredibly bad in the locker room.....and honestly chip seems like the kind of guy who under no circumstances would ever not run out the best players no matter what their record was
Ok then what is he? Certainly not an ILB.
He's an edge rusher. And I'm not saying throw him out there right now. Let his ass rot on the inactive list for all I care and then he will have an off season to do what he needs to do. And when he comes to camp and OTAs then you let him rush the passer and an...wait for it...
Edge
Rusher
hes an OLB altho I think he could certainly play inside....his skill set is versatility.....he wouldn't get within a time zone of an nfl qb off the edge right now....perhaps down the road he becomes a scheme pass rusher who can get you 5-6-7 sacks a year....but hes not von miller
most of all what he is right now tho is horrendous....to not be able to even get on the field behind this linebacking corps is pretty telling
Well yeah I agree with that - not getting on the field with this LB corps doesn't exactly bode well for your game.
And they've lost guys to injury and he still cannot break the rotation.
what'd they say? if matthews would have got injured then an injured acho would have been in the game instead of this guy. also doesn't play in garbage time? yeah, bust.
their not going to have him just rush the passer. he's too big of a liability to even be on the field and like was said before he has no shot at getting to the qb anyway. his place on the depth chart or lack there of clearly shows he has no game. why take snaps away from the other guys?
and i agree to an extent that since jordan matthews is playing at a 1st round level it's not as bad of a pick.. but even a 2nd rounder should be contributing somewhat this year especially with the injuries and trash they have had at ILB this year.
I don't get the logic behind, well Matthews is playing great so the Smith pick doesn't look that bad. A bust is a bust and a bad pick is a bad pick.
yeah that logic makes no sense....you also can argue that there were 25 other wrs in the draft that could do what jordan matthews is doing in this offense...as long as chip is the coach WR is going to be the easiest position to hit on
Rare sighting. He forced the fumble from that Seahawks punter after he picked the ball back up.
I think he also had a QB pressure and forced Wilson out of bounds early in the game. First round pick.
Smith was gotten for his versatility. He can lose outside contain, get pancaked while pass rushing and blown up by a WR against the run, all equally well.
:-D
I almost fainted when I heard his name called in the first quarter.
I didn't even even notice him.
Quote from: Eagaholic on December 08, 2014, 10:11:37 AM
Smith was gotten for his versatility. He can lose outside contain, get pancaked while pass rushing and blown up by a WR against the run, all equally well.
Quote from: rjs246 on December 08, 2014, 09:54:23 AM
I think he also had a QB pressure
The official term for that stat is a "Mamula."
I thought that was a 'Hurry'.
Call it whatever you want, but it probably led to an 8 yard run by Wilson.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMiAjxnGT28
From what I hear he has looked like complete shtein in camp and is now concussed. DE-friendly scheme change hasn't done anything to polish this turd.
The Eagles think enough of him to put him in the stadium tunnel now though:
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I thought we all agreed to lock this thread.
I could have sworn it was a suicide pact.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 08, 2014, 11:34:51 PM
It's not like this guy wasn't productive in college though.
I've been saying give me production. He's an edge rusher who can get to the QB
Ok hereeeee weeee goooooo
Was I wrong in that post? Was he not productive in college?
I forgot you're a scout who hits on evals at a hundred percent
98% but whos counting
Lolol
Ok!
Team declined to pick up his 5th year option.
I expect them to decline his 4th year option sometime this summer.
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some taeks:
Quote from: MDS on May 09, 2014, 05:21:22 PM
as for the pick they drafted more for need than anything, which is fine. hes got massive arms and is a terrific athlete. like every single draft pick ever, who knows if itll work out. hopefully jewboy roseman and arrogant chipper know what theyre doing.
they dont
Quote from: LBIggle on May 09, 2014, 02:10:05 PM
i'm not going to pretend to know a ton about the guy, but that "highlight" youtube reel looks pretty underwhelming. he looks like he likes to arm tackle though, so that should translate well to the nfl.
good taek
Quote from: Geowhizzer on May 09, 2014, 12:30:59 PM
Glad they got some extra value from 22.
The pick? Meh. I guess we'll see what he has in the fall.
non taek
Quote from: SunMo on May 09, 2014, 12:28:24 PM
the board of whiney funholes is acting like whiney funholes. super surprised you guys
bad taek johnny
Quote from: rjs246 on May 09, 2014, 09:49:39 AM
I like this guy. Solid last name.
ha. i get it.
Quote from: smeags on May 09, 2014, 09:53:11 AM
not sure about you guys but last night has me super pumped to make my next season ticket payment on 5/14.
:yay
funnier than russ' joke
Quote from: TexasEagle on May 09, 2014, 09:30:17 AM
I'm not about to pretend I know anything about this guy (or 90% of the players in the draft) but it was a head scratcher pick. Hopefully he plays well.
good taek
Quote from: SD on May 08, 2014, 11:21:34 PM
Would rather have traded the pick to the Dolphins for Dion Jordan.
oof
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on May 09, 2014, 07:40:55 AM
I went to bed at the 24th pick. Knew they'd farg this up.
good taek
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 09, 2014, 12:51:37 AM
I'm not gonna go Homer J here because I'm not excited about the pick, but this isn't Jon Harris all over again
oh but it was easy
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 08, 2014, 11:18:10 PM
took him way too high....i thought he was a middle round pick
acceptable taek
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 08, 2014, 11:34:51 PM
It's not like this guy wasn't productive in college though.
I've been saying give me production. He's an edge rusher who can get to the QB
lol
Quote from: Rome on May 09, 2014, 06:13:47 AM
Smartest guys in the room.
I'm still pissed. farg these guys.
Best take ever.
Quote from: MDS on November 28, 2014, 08:16:45 PM
howie's been whining that people have been killing him for this pick
jew bitch
Quote from: General_Failure on November 28, 2014, 08:30:30 PM
Don't sign your posts.
This deserves another lol
Where the hell was this board in 1997 when Ray Ray & Co. drafted Jon Harris. Still the lowest draft day of my life. I actually went to a friends house that morning for a draft party. First and last one I attended. I could never show my face again. I'll never forget Berman's and the ESPN crews expression when they chose him. No one saw it coming. It was beyond the deer in the headlights look.
Sorry, I was still in high school then. The EMB was still a couple years away, too.
Remember when EMB had the black background? That was tits. But not like tits on a bull; it was truly titty city
Signing with Seattle
stud this year or next?
Quote from: Tomahawk on July 27, 2017, 01:33:14 AM
Remember when EMB had the black background? That was tits. But not like tits on a bull; it was truly titty city
I remember. I bet Pepperidge Farm remembers, too.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 28, 2017, 01:30:10 PM
stud this year or next?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 09, 2014, 07:06:48 PM
So Washington, ATL, BAL and NYJ wanted him
But he's Jon Harris reincarnated
everyone wanted him and hes going to be awesome...just you wait
to be fair a lot of teams did want him
in the 5th round
:-D :-D :-D :-D
I'll miss seeing him on screen for half a second, standing on the field doing nothing near the end of blowout games. It was like seeing a shooting star blazing across my TV, not knowing when or if I would ever see it again.
Buddy of mine is huge Seahawks fan and he just texted me "Marcus Smith, thoughts?" I'm trying to find an emoji of a pile of horse shtein.
Quote from: QB Eagles on July 28, 2017, 04:25:58 PM
I'll miss seeing him on screen for half a second, standing on the field doing nothing near the end of blowout games. It was like seeing a shooting star blazing across my TV, not knowing when or if I would ever see it again.
Likewise, when things on the board would calm down as the games went on, we'd get the occasional "OMG! A Marcus Smith sighting!" It was like the Loch Ness Monster, Big Foot, Yeti, Elvis.
"Who?" is probably the most concise appropriate reply.
One of my best friends got married on the day job Harris got drafted. We were watching the draft in the hotel bar during the reception and I remember thinking the only worse decision made that day was my buddy marrying the girl he hooked up with.
Ironically enough they're still together. Lol.
Now that they have Marcus Smith, I'm very ascared of Seattle's defense. He knows all of Jason Peters moves.
Quote from: Rome on July 28, 2017, 07:44:43 PM
One of my best friends got married on the day job Harris got drafted. We were watching the draft in the hotel bar during the reception and I remember thinking the only worse decision made that day was my buddy marrying the girl he hooked up with.
Ironically enough they're still together. Lol.
Sounds like he's taking one for the team. If he leaves his wife and marries again, he risks the Eagles drafting another Jon Harris.
Thank your friend on our behalf.
Marcus Smith used to sit on the balcony overlooking the Delaware River at his Penn's Landing apartment, gazing at water to try to soothe a mind that was never at peace. He lacked an appetite. He barely slept. He tried to live up to being the Eagles' 2014 first-round pick, pressure that only exacerbated undiagnosed depression and anxiety that had festered since childhood.
When the Eagles cut Smith in 2017 after three seasons, he signed with Seattle and started to grow into himself as a player. But dark, suppressed feelings remained in the summer of 2018. He would drive to the Seahawks' practice facility past a rocky slope off a shoulder on the road, and on Aug. 18 of that year, Smith decided that was where he would kill himself.
Smith documented that morning in an October essay on The Players' Tribune titled "I'm Still Here," explaining he was on the top of the hill when he got a phone call from his wife, who was seven months pregnant with their child. He tried rushing her off the phone before his mother-in-law called. He confided in her while she stayed on the line, and he backed the car away. He drove to work and sought help. The Seahawks connected him with a therapist. They released Smith to allow him to finally deal with issues he had avoided — and discover more about what was happening beneath the surface during his time with the Eagles and for much of his career.
"It was the same thing going on with me every year and I somehow still stomached to play," Smith said. "I didn't play at my very best. We all know that. ... I still had things that I hadn't addressed, which was my anxiety, my depression and (my mental health). I still didn't address those things."
On Monday night, two of Smith's former teams will be playing. On Wednesday morning, Smith's new children's book will be released — "Bath Time with Rai," which he wrote to provide positive representations of Black fatherhood. This is part of Smith's next act. He's 28, and if he were playing, he could be in the prime of a football career. Yet he doesn't wistfully long for the field. Smith is where he wants to be.
"Helping guys with their mental health issues, really starting to become a life coach and be an author, that's what my focus became," he said.
In Philadelphia, Smith is remembered as a failed first-round pick. He had four sacks in three seasons and never started a game. When general manager Howie Roseman regained power in the organization after a year away from football decisions, one of the first questions he fielded from reporters was about who bore responsibility for selecting Smith in the first round. Smith knows his Eagles tenure fell short of expectations. He was learning a new position in Year 1, he was slowed by injuries in Year 2, he adjusted to a new coaching staff in Year 3. Those obstacles were visible for all to see. It's what couldn't be seen that had more of an effect.
Smith is an example of the human side of pro football players that cannot be gleaned by watching games on Sundays or googling statistics. Should a player be understood by the jersey he wears or the person underneath the jersey?
"We can't continue to dehumanize football players because of what we do on the field," Smith said. "We're also human, too, so I want people to look at me as a human."
Smith's status as a first-round pick meant there was always a spotlight on his performance. If the Eagles had drafted Smith in the third round, his reputation might be different. But Smith pointed out the draft status only contributed to a problem that already existed — it wasn't the cause.
"That had to be addressed at some point," Smith said. "The first round added extra to what I was already dealing with. I had baggage coming into it, so I don't necessarily think that it would change regardless of what round I would have went (in). But I knew that it was more at stake, and I knew that it was at a higher level that I had to perform."
Smith said "nobody really had a sense of what was going on" when he was in Philadelphia because he kept it hidden. He didn't need to be truthful on the team's sleeping surveys: Why would he want the coaches to know he was awake most of the night by himself? He was barely eating, but he could drink water to add weight. He speculated some of his injuries stemmed from a lack of nutrition. The only person he confided in was Brandon Graham.
"But BG, we really didn't get into the weeds of it until later on, so it really wasn't as visible," Smith said. "I mean, I was out there playing with nothing. ... It was just a whole thing of me not being able to do what I need to do. I felt like a vegetable."
Smith said Graham was especially helpful in talking through the pressure that accompanied high draft status. Graham, whom the Eagles drafted at No. 13 in 2010, endured similar scrutiny early in his career.
"It just sucks. Sometimes you don't get the success right away that you work so hard to get," Graham said. "But I know Marcus has confided in me when he was here about keeping his mind clear, all the stuff first-rounders usually go through, especially if you don't get success early on."
Still, Smith said he went only so far. There were still boundaries Smith wouldn't cross because "men, we really don't talk about our mental issues; that's not something that everyone's just gonna put on the table and talk about, because I didn't know how my brother would look at me."
He was afraid of being viewed as weak. He didn't want it to appear like he was making excuses for his lack of production.
"I wanted to be everything that people said I wasn't," Smith said. "I wanted to do everything to prove people wrong. But ultimately, what I started to figure out was that it was about proving myself right rather than proving people wrong."
However, Smith didn't come to that realization until after he left the Eagles. It took hitting rock bottom for him to seek help. He said the person he was in Philadelphia was different from who he is now — his body had been weakened by the effects of his anxiety, his mind was occupied with unresolved issues. He fondly remembers the relationships he created, but he'd end each day accompanied by only his own thoughts. He now realizes he was "slowly dying within myself."
Smith had 2.5 sacks during the 2017 season with the Seahawks before he reached his breaking point the following summer. When he told the athletic trainers what had happened in his car, they immediately took him to Seahawks coach Pete Carroll. With tears streaming down his face, Smith told Carroll he couldn't play football and felt hopeless. Carroll told Smith football didn't matter at the moment — what mattered was Smith getting healthy and being present for his family.
Smith took a few months away from football. He finally met with a therapist — he still seeks therapy at least once per month — and he discovered the joy and balance that had been missing. He witnessed the birth of his daughter. He found new meaning in life.
Smith sent his agent a message and said he wanted to try football again. He signed with Washington and played two games at the end of the 2018 season. Washington cut him the following summer and he hasn't been in the NFL since.
"I know that he was a great kid in a program we liked when we had him and all that, and we wish him the best, but I'm thrilled to hear that he's continuing to give back and creating stuff to help him, one, and help people around him with his experiences," Carroll said this week when asked about Smith.
Smith is in the process of getting his life coaching certification. He plans to advise football players, among others. He'll achieve his goal of becoming an author next week when his book, a story meant to show how fathers can spend time with their children, is released. He wants to be a speaker and advocate for mental health issues.
"I love that he's able to talk about it, and that's the first step to getting it out," Graham said. "And accepting that a lot of guys go through it and not try to hide it and be too tough. That's what I can take my hat off for. Because a lot of guys on this team, me included, we all have our days, but some people stay there, some people get it out. Everybody deals with it different. But I'm happy he's gaining awareness and putting it out there for other people to start accepting."
Although Smith is among a number of athletes or former athletes to open up about mental health, he still doesn't think his career would have been different had he entered the NFL today. Smith said there remains a stigma that must erode, a false machismo about not showing weaknesses or a narrow sense of what constitutes mental toughness.
He added every player who walks into a locker room has some type of baggage — maybe it has to do with a family member or a spouse, maybe the player is grieving or yearning for a father figure. And those complexities must be understood.
"I'm not sure if my career would be different because I don't necessarily think people would give me the fortitude to say what was wrong with me because there's still a stigma behind it," Smith said. "I think that it was even more so (viewed like) I was making excuses. Even if I came in right now."
Smith has already heard from NFL players seeking his perspective. He wants players to know "it's OK to seek therapy" and that strengthening their mental health will make them even more valuable to their organization. Holding something in won't make it go away.
Smith will watch Monday's game featuring former teammates on both sides of the field. He won't be playing in it. He doesn't want to play in it. But he's alive to see it, and that's a message he can share.
"That's why I'm doing this work," Smith said. "I want to open up that lane."
That's a great story and even beyond football BG is a legend.
Great read.
Good for Smith to get some help and to turn his life around.
BG is a great dude. And I think Pete Carroll is too. He seems like he's a coach who can see beyond football.
I miss Sunny. As for Smith, good for him for not killing himself.