1. Houston
2. St. Louis (via Washington)
3. Jacksonville
4. Cleveland
5. Oakland
6. Atlanta
7. Tampa Bay
8. Minnesota
9. Buffalo
10. Detroit
11. Tennessee
12. New York Giants
13. St. Louis
14. Chicago
15. Pittsburgh
16. Dallas/Baltimore
17. Dallas/Baltimore
18. New York Jets
19. Miami
20. Arizona
21. Green Bay
22. PHILADELPHIA
23. Kansas City
24. Cincinnati
25.
26.
27.
28.
29.
30.
31.
32.
1 = Houston
2 = St. Louis (from WSH)
3 = Jacksonville
4 = Cleveland
5 = Oakland
6 = Atlanta
7 = Tampa Bay
8 = Minnesota
9 = Buffalo
10 = Detroit
11 = Tennessee
12 = NY Giants
13 = St. Louis
14 = Chicago
15 = Pittsburgh
16 = Baltimore/Dallas coin flip
17 = Baltimore/Dallas coin flip
18 = NY Jets
19 = Miami
20 = Arizona
Manziel and Mike Evans are planning to declare for the draft after tomorrow night's game
Other notable names that have declared so far:
RB Bishop Sankey (Washington)
WR Davante Adams (Fresno State)
TE Eric Ebron (North Carolina)
TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins (Washington)
NT Louis Nix III (Notre Dame)
CB Bradley Roby (Ohio State)
CB Loucheiz Purifoy (Florida)
SS Dion Bailey (USC)
Dale Murphy's son Jake (a TE for Utah) also declared
Bridgewater hasn't declared yet but he'd be stupid not to, and Clowney will declare about an hour after the Capital One Bowl ends
Early predictions;
Teddy B goes to Houston
STL trades out of the 2 spot and Cleveland goes up to draft Manziel
Clowney is a Jag
i will laugh my ass off if anyone takes manzell in the top 5...and especially cleveland
He's the real deal...he's passed GENO on my chart of man crushes
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 31, 2013, 11:29:55 PM
i will laugh my ass off if anyone takes manzell in the top 5...and especially cleveland
On paper I wouldn't disagree with the move. But in reality, Cle is Cle, and yeah I'd laugh too.
on paper he shouldnt be in the top 20....i wouldnt take him in the first round....but because hes a white qb and has a cool nick name he will go way higher than he should
jf is a retarded nickname. black qbs also get picked way too high.
yes they do.....but not because they are black
I wouldn't agree. "Athletic " VY and strong armed Jamarcus Russell are examples. And yeah, it didn't hurt that Young won a nat championship but still.
lol...you are proving my point....those guys were physical specimans....slave masters picking the field negros....when 5'10 blacks with short arms start getting worldly hype and picked top 5 overall let me know
I'm not getting your point then.
But back to jf, I'd bet Cle will take him and it may be part of the reason why Chud was fired so quick. Everyone wants their franchise qb and everyone wants to be the next dynasty. No way manz will even play enough full seasons to be part of a dynasty. But if a team has a good system for him and takes a practical rather greedy approach and sets a goal of winning A sb over the next few years with jf, it is possible one of those years is a perfect storm of his being healthy as well as the other pieces coming together.
Although Cle is Cle, they do have a couple of elite players, arguably the best, at key positions and another key a RB doesn't need to take a high draft pick so I get the logic if they get a system friendly HC in there for manz.
i agree with you there...manzell and cleveland are a train wreck married in heaven....the thought of him being picked that high wasnt the only thing i was laughing at....cleveland def had a big part of it
Did you actually watch that game last night? You've been clamoring for a match for Kelly's offense last night since he was hired and Manziel couldn't be a better fit if Kelly himself built him from scratch.
I don't like the kid personally and I agree that he's likely going to be a bust in the NFL, but in terms of what Kelly is theoretically looking for, Manziel is it.
That said, I'm still in on Teddy B but there's zero chance the Eagles get him.
Go Nick.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 01, 2014, 03:27:36 AM
on paper he shouldnt be in the top 20....i wouldnt take him in the first round....but because hes a white qb and has a cool nick name he will go way higher than he should
No sir.
He should be top 10 because he can ball. He's got arm strength, mobility, accuracy and the intangibles to be a good QB.
The stupid nickname helps soccer moms know who he is...but anyone who watches football and knows the game can see that he's good
He's also 6'1" & 210. That works great in college but it's a near death sentence in the NFL. Again, I wouldn't take him really high because I don't think he's going to be a great professional, but you can't really deny the talent he's displayed at the college level.
I don't even sweat the height any more. Brees and Wilson have kind of shown that you can be successful as a shorter QB. Of course it helps to be taller to see over the big OL but that can be schemed around a bit.
I wouldn't draft him because his sister is an illiterate moron who posts stupid shtein like this to Twitter:
(http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/5796/b8hz.png)
Seriously, though... you're = you are and your = your. How farging difficult is it to get that straight? I see it on Facebook all the time and I'd honestly like to take hammers to people who don't know the difference.[/grammarnazi]
She used caps and punctuation (almost). By internet standards that makes her a Rhodes Scholar.
Well she could have gone down the "they're" "their" "there" road.
To the surprise of no one...Clowney declared immediately after the game
Looks like Teddy B will be signing with JayZ's agency
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 01, 2014, 04:00:20 AM
lol...you are proving my point....those guys were physical specimans....slave masters picking the field negros....when 5'10 blacks with short arms start getting worldly hype and picked top 5 overall let me know
Wait, did i log into the wrong cf?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 01, 2014, 03:24:48 PM
I don't even sweat the height any more. Brees and Wilson have kind of shown that you can be successful as a shorter QB. Of course it helps to be taller to see over the big OL but that can be schemed around a bit.
You're confusing the exceptions with the rule. Wilson and Brees are, to the best of my memory, the only 2 QBs that are 6'1 or less who haven't had much limitation on their game in my life time. Even Vick at his best in 2010 still had balls knocked down at the LOS or overthrew some guys because he had to elevate his passes to keep them from getting batted down.
But aside from his height, there's also the issue of durability. Manziel has taken some hits and he's not a thick dude. At least Bree's gets rid of the ball quickly and doesnt get hit very often and Wilson has some girth so if he were to take a hit, his body can absorb it better than Manziel could.
Could he be an exception to the rule as well? Sure, why not? I just know that I wouldn't want the next 5 years of my team's future riding on the hope that I drafted an exception to the rule with my 1st round pick...especially when you're talking about a top 5-10 pick. It's one thing to grab a JPP type guy with boom or bust potential in the 1st round because that doesn't set your franchise back 3-5 years if you miss.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 02, 2014, 11:04:54 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 01, 2014, 03:24:48 PM
I don't even sweat the height any more. Brees and Wilson have kind of shown that you can be successful as a shorter QB. Of course it helps to be taller to see over the big OL but that can be schemed around a bit.
You're confusing the exceptions with the rule. Wilson and Brees are, to the best of my memory, the only 2 QBs that are 6'1 or less who haven't had much limitation on their game in my life time. Even Vick at his best in 2010 still had balls knocked down at the LOS or overthrew some guys because he had to elevate his passes to keep them from getting batted down.
But aside from his height, there's also the issue of durability. Manziel has taken some hits and he's not a thick dude. At least Bree's gets rid of the ball quickly and doesnt get hit very often and Wilson has some girth so if he were to take a hit, his body can absorb it better than Manziel could.
Could he be an exception to the rule as well? Sure, why not? I just know that I wouldn't want the next 5 years of my team's future riding on the hope that I drafted an exception to the rule with my 1st round pick...especially when you're talking about a top 5-10 pick. It's one thing to grab a JPP type guy with boom or bust potential in the 1st round because that doesn't set your franchise back 3-5 years if you miss.
Are you forgetting Jeff Kemp? I don't remember that height was a problem for Jeff Garcia though. Sonny Jurgensen was another Eagle QB and was 5-11 and a hofer. OK, maybe he was before your time, I just brought him up because its fun to mention the taterskins went after him once they found out his real name was Christian Adolph.
I think everyone has forgotten about Jeff Kemp....including Jeff Kemp.
Flutie is the only other midget I can think of who enjoyed a moderate level of success in the NFL.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 02, 2014, 11:04:54 AM
It's one thing to grab a JPP type guy with boom or bust potential in the 1st round because that doesn't set your franchise back 3-5 years if you miss.
(http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/files/2013/03/Brandon-Graham.jpg)
http://mmqb.si.com/2014/01/02/teddy-bridgewater-2014-nfl-draft/
Quote from: Rome on January 01, 2014, 03:19:20 PM
He's also 6'1" & 210. That works great in college but it's a near death sentence in the NFL. Again, I wouldn't take him really high because I don't think he's going to be a great professional, but you can't really deny the talent he's displayed at the college level.
i think you are going to see when his true measurables come out he is going to be under 6'0 and under 200 lbs....im not 100% sure of his weight but theres no farging way hes 6'1...basically his size is a death sentence in the pros where he wont be able to run away from people quite like he did in college...its one thing to be short and a pocket qb....i mean you certainly are at a disadvantage there as well but you are really in a world of trouble to have a mini frame like manzell and be a scrambling/running qb...i mean look at the punishment rg3 has taken and hes 6'2 225
people bring up russell wilson in comparison to manzell...but forget that he was a third rounder....i would def take manzell in the third or fourth round
could manzell have some highlite type plays int he league sure...the guy has talent for sure....hes not a scrub....but would i put my all my eggs in his basket...meaning a top 5 pick....to be my franchises future.....hell no
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 02, 2014, 09:20:54 PM
people bring up russell wilson in comparison to manzell...but forget that he was a third rounder....i would def take manzell in the third or fourth round
could manzell have some highlite type plays int he league sure...the guy has talent for sure....hes not a scrub....but would i put my all my eggs in his basket...meaning a top 5 pick....to be my franchises future.....hell no
This x infinity.
QuoteAdam Schefter
UCLA QB Brett Hundley, viewed as a potential top-10 pick, plans to return to school for senior season, per sources. Announcement this week.
21 Green Bay
22 EAGLES
23 Kansas City
24 Cincinnati
Blake Bortles is declaring
Hundley, Mariota and Braxton Miller are pretty much the only players returning to school
Black Momba declared
25 San Diego
26 Cleveland (from IND)
27 New Orleans
28 Carolina
BOOM!
29 New England
30 San Francisco
and here's (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000314901/article/official-list-of-underclassmen-granted-eligibility-for-2014-nfl-draft) the official list of 98 underclassmen that declared
Kiper's latest mock draft:
1 Texans = Manziel
2 Rams (from WSH) = Greg Robinson
3 Jaguars = Clowney
4 Browns = Bridgewater
5 Raiders = Watkins
6 Falcons = Barr
7 Buccaneers = Mack
8 Vikings = Bortles
9 Bills = Jake Matthews
10 Lions = Gilbert
11 Titans = Lewan
12 Giants = Mosley
13 Rams = Evans
14 Bears = Jernigan
15 Steelers = Nix III
16 Ravens = Ebron
17 Cowboys = Clinton-Dix
18 Jets = Lee
19 Dolphins = Zack Martin
20 Cardinals = Kouandjio
21 Packers = Pryor
22 EAGLES = Odell Beckham, Jr.
23 Chiefs = Benjamin
24 Bengals = Dennard
25 Chargers = Marcus Roberson
26 Browns (from IND) = Davante Adams
27 Saints = Antonio Richardson
28 Panthers = Cooks
29 Patriots = Amaro
30 49ers = Jarvis Landry
31 Broncos = Roby
32 Seahawks = Allen Robinson
*******************************************************
McShay's latest mock draft:
1 Texans = Clowney
2 Rams (from WSH) = Greg Robinson
3 Jaguars = Bridgewater
4 Browns = Bortles
5 Raiders = Manziel
6 Falcons = Jake Matthews
7 Buccaneers = Mack
8 Vikings = Mosley
9 Bills = Watkins
10 Lions = Evans
11 Titans = Barr
12 Giants = Lewan
13 Rams = Lee
14 Bears = Jernigan
15 Steelers = Nix III
16 Ravens = Ebron
17 Cowboys = Clinton-Dix
18 Jets = Cooks
19 Dolphins = Zack Martin
20 Cardinals = Kouandjio
21 Packers = Gilbert
22 EAGLES = Darqueze Dennard
23 Chiefs = Beckham, Jr.
24 Bengals = Lamarcus Joyner
25 Chargers = Loucheiz Purifoy
26 Browns (from IND) = Davante Adams
27 Saints = Morgan Moses
28 Panthers = Benjamin
29 Patriots = Tuitt
30 49ers = Hageman
31 Broncos = Verrett
32 Seahawks = Amaro
I wouldn't hate the Dennard pick. Eagles are somewhat saddled with Carey Williams for another year for cap reasons and Dennard wouldn't get to be eased in as a slot corner. Still, good value for the long term picture though and might be bpa by then. Probably rather have Pryor or HHCD though.
Need Defense, don't want Beckham. Maybe if they could get Orakpo or another good rush backer I'd be OK with Lee or Evans at WR. Don't want another small WR but if Lee replaced DeSean after next year, it would probably save $8-9 million/year.
Orakpo is working on a new deal with Washington and wants $10M+/yr
Funny take on how inaccurate the top guys are at mock drafts
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sports/eagles/That-mock-draft-you-read-today-was-insanely-inaccurate.html
It blows the draft is even late this year. I wish they'd move it up a few weeks rather than move it back. Same with free agency, move it to mid Feb. This month absolutely sucks.
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 06, 2014, 06:22:39 PM
Orakpo is working on a new deal with Washington and wants $10M+/yr
That sucks...they have the cap space too. But they have a bunch of other needs to address. He's the top f/a on my wish list. There are plenty of safeties to chose from so that's getting addressed. Orakpo is exactly the kind of player the birds D needs.
Dallas won the coin flip and gets #16
farg DALLAS
Manziel ended up measuring 5'-11 3/4", he has the biggest hands of him, bridgewater and bortles which is weird
Manziel: 5'-11 3/4", 207, 9-7/8" hands
Bridgewater: 6'-2 1/8", 214, 9-1/4" hands
Bortles: 6'-5, 232, 9-3/8" hands
why is that surprising. dudes got swag you know he has a big cock.
language mathew
Right? Say confidence, not swag. Just because you're getting hookups from the playground doesn't mean you have to talk like that all the time.
Ha...I thought swag meant free stuff, like you get when you're nominated for an Oscar
No, it's swag(ger)
dear white man,
no.
i don't know why i was even watching this but i'm hammered and this is hilarious to me right now. i know everyone has seen it before but still good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i28MU8-lcw
ebron just ran a 4.5
nm
Brandin Cooks = 4.3
John Brown (Pittsburg State) = 4.3
Jeff Janis (Saginaw Valley St) = 4.3
Beckham Jr = 4.31
Bruce Ellington = 4.31
Watkins = 4.34
Martavis Bryant = 4.34
Paul Richardson = 4.35
Philly Brown = 4.37
Jordan Matthews = 4.4
Marqise Lee = 4.44
Evans = 4.47
Davante Adams = 4.5
Brandon Coleman = 4.5
Benjamin = 4.53
Allen Robinson = 4.6
Football ran a 4.56, fastest among QBs
Clowney only put up 21 reps...not good
Mamula put up 28, he must be better.
Totally irrelevant
polian said yesterday that clowney is basically bruce smith with better measurables
how did his wonderlic test go?
nerds and their scouting combine...the eye in the sky does not lie
Oh so strength doesn't matter eh? Got it.
If it's a punter or QB or even a RB then I'm not looking at the press numbers. But lineman and LBs? Worth noting.
Not saying he zesty or anything but 21 isn't a good number.
Receivers throw up 20-25 these days. Doesn't mean shtein, though. I'd still draft him #1 unless I needed a QB.
The bench press is not part of the goddamn game dude.
There's what you can do in the gym, and what you can do on the field. Not the same thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=12uyktdGeuo#t=222
Long ass arms make it harder to do full reps. Would rather see them deadlift instead of bench, but after seeing some of these morons lift at least half of them would herniate every disc.
Quote from: Diomedes on February 23, 2014, 07:19:14 PM
The bench press is not part of the goddamn game dude.
There's what you can do in the gym, and what you can do on the field. Not the same thing.
Pretty sure that's what I meant when I posted "doesn't mean shtein" although you may not have been referring to my post.
Whatever.
Get off my lawn!
http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2014/story/_/id/10507312/dee-ford-says-better-jadeveon-clowney
lol
San Diego State RB Adam Muema left Indy because God told him that if he did, he'd play for the Seahawks. yep
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2014/feb/23/adam-muema-nfl-scouting-combine/
watching the combine on dvr now....i loved him in college but after yesterday its dri or die for me.....farg kelvin bejamin
(http://cdn2.sbnation.com/assets/4047777/clowneyDAT.gif)
Clowney and Black Mamba
4.53 lol
i thought he sucked or didnt lift weights good enough or something
You're exactly right! That's what was said.
pretty sure it was a direct quote, actually
The exact quote was "what a bitch."
jaws is on espn and says manzell is a project and he wouldnt take him until at least round 4
Jaws says a lot of stupid shtein. We love him because he's a jolly polack who got us close.
Well when people compare manziel to russell wilson, and wilson got taken in the 3rd round, i'm not sure he's totally out of line
i dont even think theres a comparison btwn the two and it makes me furious when people do it....russell wilson was drafted in the third because he was deemed too short....thats it thats the list....I mean more or less he was looked at as a shorter andrew luck....manzell has numerous issues and his heigh might not crack the top three...he should be compared to michael vick or doug flutie
four might be pushing it.....but i wouldnt take manzell for sure in the first two rounds
Manziel is going to be good. He's deserving of being a first rounder.
Barry Switzer said he didn't like his arrogance. That's hilarious coming from him
The latest Kiper mock:
01 Texans - Mack
02 Rams (WSH) - Robinson
03 Jaguars - Clowney
04 Browns - Bortles
05 Raiders - Bridgewater
06 Falcons - Matthews
07 Buccaneers - Watkins
08 Vikings - Manziel
09 Bills - Lewan
10 Lions - Evans
11 Titans - Barr
12 Giants - Ebron
13 Rams - Clinton-Dix
14 Bears - Donald
15 Steelers - Gilbert
16 Cowboys - Jernigan
17 Ravens - Cooks
18 Jets - Beckham, Jr.
19 Dolphins - Martin
20 Cardinals - Dennard
21 Packers - Mosley
22 EAGLES - Pryor
23 Chiefs - Lee
24 Bengals - Shazier
25 Chargers - Roby
26 Browns (IND) - Benjamin
27 Saints - Ford
28 Panthers - Kouandjio
29 Patriots - Hageman
30 49ers - Fuller
31 Broncos - Chris Borland
32 Seahawks - Tuitt
I really think Bradley Roby is a player, but I had no clue how bad he was this year.
When Ohio State homers are telling Eagles fans that he isn't that good, we probably don't want him. Also he's a BigTen guy, which means obvious bust
Chip and Davis are down at VA Tech's pro day, taking a long look at Kyle Fuller.....another "long" and "versatile" CB/S that plays special teams and is a vocal leader.....basically another Jenkins
Completely hypothetical, really just throwing it out there for discussion (draft is 50 days away btw). Bridgewater did not look good on his pro day, the guys on Sirius NFL said he looked worse than Geno Smith last year. That being said, he falls to 22, do you take him?
no
they are too thin, pretty much everywhere on defense, to waste a 1st round pick on a qb. they need to get someone who will contribute immediately. but i would consider trading a future selection or something to get him if he falls in the to 20s.
Nope. Build the rest of the team. Bring him in and good luck with that controversy that'll follow
yeah you cant take him...altho i dont think it has anything to do with the defense or needing to fill other holes....it has to do with potentially having your qb of the future...you have foles for cheap for another two seasons...gotta find out good or bad if hes the man
I can't see him dropping like that as a result of pro day, but if he does, it means basically every team has either passed on him or passed on the chance to trade up to get him, including a bunch of teams that are absolutely desperate at the QB position.
If the Eagles took him in scenario it's because they literally think they are the smartest guys in the room.
Yeah, agree with not taking Bridgewater but I wouldn't be shocked at all to see him fall. Every year there's at least one who does. All time favorite was Aaron Rodgers who fell to right about to where the Eagles are sitting now. All off season it was neck and neck between he and Alex Smith for #1 overall until maybe 3 weeks before draft day when Rodgers went into free fall. Similar situation to TB.
Why my favorite? Because Washington was absolutely desperate for a QB and creaming themselves that Rodgers was going to fall into their messy lap - then got totally blind sided by GB taking him the pick before when Favre was in his prime. It's a happy ending though because Washington finally got their franchise qb. P&L.
Chip was at Louisville's pro day on Monday, Florida State's on Tuesday, Virginia Tech's yesterday and now he's at Missouri's. I guess he'll be at Vanderbilt's tomorrow
he would never coach at vandy...hes way bigger than that
How about West Virginia? Theirs is also tomorrow
possible but unlikely....i still say georgia is where he ends up at
Looks like some of the coaches went to WV today and they're putting 6'6" 270 DE Will Clarke through LB drills
Chip was at Vandy
Chip is at Manziel's pro day today. Mike Evans will also be there
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 27, 2014, 10:58:54 AM
Chip is at Manziel's pro day today. Mike Evans will also be also there
also jake also matthews be there
Biggest pro day turnout ever according to some of the scouts and personnel people there. He's wearing helmet and shoulder pads.
The Aggies I work with are close to blowing him for his answer as to why he's doing it ....he said "isnt that how the game is played?"
goodell said today that the nfl is looking at possibly turning the draft into a four day event
is there ANYTHING the nfl has done since goodell took over that hasnt been a bad idea
They take concussions seriously, but that's it. Everything else has been a bad idea.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2014, 10:12:07 AM
goodell said today that the nfl is looking at possibly turning the draft into a four day event
is there ANYTHING the nfl has done since goodell took over that hasnt been a bad idea
If he was burning in a fire I wouldn't piss on him to put the fire out.
Quote from: General_Failure on April 25, 2014, 10:20:29 AM
They take concussions seriously, but that's it. Everything else has been a bad idea.
https://screen.yahoo.com/bad-idea-jeans-000000942.html
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2014, 10:12:07 AM
goodell said today that the nfl is looking at possibly turning the draft into a four day event
is there ANYTHING the nfl has done since goodell took over that hasnt been a bad idea
No. He's a whore.
This delay on the draft now is stupid.
The Saturday/Sunday format was the best.
Said that from the start Phreak, a weekend was perfect. Cookout have friends over, hot wings, all starting at noon. Perfect. Sunday was sitting around recovering.
even worse than taking it off the weekend for me is the first round having its own day....the first round is the least exciting round of the draft by far...now with no second round to look forward to after it i dont even really need to see anything in the first round but the eagles pick....i mean i still watch it but its not the same for me
i realize its not feasible time wise but lets for sake of argument say the draft started on thurs but went two rounds....id still prefer it to be sat and sun but id be ok with that
I won't like the draft until it's stretched over ten days, one Saturday through the next Monday:
Round one preview all day Saturday.
Actual round one picks on Sunday.
Analysis on Monday.
Preview Tuesday for
Round 2 on Wednesday.
Breakdown on Thursday.
Round 3 Friday night.
Wrap up round three Saturday morning and then Round 4 picks Saturday night.
Round 5 and half of Round 6 on Sunday.
Last half of round 6 and round 7 on Monday, then a Special Primetime Monday Night with the guys to jerk off over the whole thing.
Half hour per pick, every round. Instead of just talking heads and college highlights, undrafted players can elect to participate in draft day workouts for a chance to improve their stock. Also, the Raiders start a lottery to see who they'll pick every round.
Goodell has completely farged everything up.
London games....draft....stupid rule changes
Don't forget trying to switch it to 18 games, 14 teams in the playoffs, disallowing players celebrations, making the defense all but irrelevant by gearing everything toward the offense, etc.
All they give a shtein about is money. The game itself isn't even third or fourth on the list.
exactly...also dont forget more and more flex games
I especially hate the extra playoff teams....its perfect right now....most teams can win it all and the games are mostly really good
what I hate more than anything tho is his idea of putting games on every night eventually.....farging tuesday nite nfl??....that would water down the product so much
sundays is what made the nfl and why it is/was so special
what kills me is they can make a million changes having to do with the schedule but the one thing they should do....putting the super bowl on sat....they wont
NFL football belongs at 1:00 on Sundays unless your team is playing west of the Mississippi, and honestly, no one there deserves a goddamn team anyway. Monday nights suck, Sunday nights are worse and don't even get me started on weekdays. Seriously, if Goodell and the networks get their wish, we as fans should simply stop watching. Getting rid of my season tickets was the second to final straw for me anyway. I don't have a financial connection with those dickfaces anymore so if they keep the unfettered money whoring going, I might just say farg it and spend time doing other things on Sundays. And Saturdays, Mondays, etc...
Yeah the expanded schedule and extra playoff teams is really farging stupid. And I agree on the games being on different days.
I like the Sunday/Monday with the couple late season Saturday tilts. Like how it was 10-15yrs ago.
Now the Thursday shtein is nothing but a money grab. Same as the preseason being charged full price
My personal favorite dumb move was when they gave EA exclusive rights to make NFL video games. Has anyone actually bought a copy of Madden in the last ten years because it was good? Of course not. People only buy Madden because they buy it every year, they want these particular roster updates, or they got a new console.
But yeah, putting half the teams in the playoffs is a dumb move, too.
Quote from: Rome on April 25, 2014, 05:51:47 PMdisallowing players celebrations
He's right as rain on this count.
Show some farging respect for your opponent, for the sport, for the fans who are trying to teach their kids to be decent to each other, etc.
Quote from: Diomedes on April 25, 2014, 08:13:02 PM
Quote from: Rome on April 25, 2014, 05:51:47 PMdisallowing players celebrations
He's right as rain on this count.
Show some farging respect for your opponent, for the sport, for the fans who are trying to teach their kids to be decent to each other, etc.
lol...this is first rate trolling on your part
I refuse to believe any semi literate non racist adult male under the age of 50 would say something like this much less believe that a football celebration would somehow teach kids to not be decent to each other
well done sir
I'm not talking about taunting opponents, Dio. I'm talking about having fun and celebrating with the fans. I personally hate stupid shtein like the Lambeau Leap and the Fun Bunch crap, but dunking the ball over the upright is about as vanilla as it gets and they're even forbidding that now. What's next... spiking the ball?
No Fun League, indeed.
If I was the leader of the NFL, I would expand the rosters to 140. If a defensive player's assignment scores, that defender gets torn limb from limb and is cannibalized by his team mates. There's no better motivator than cannibalization. Other than toss salad man of course.
Quote from: Rome on April 25, 2014, 08:18:17 PM
I'm not talking about taunting opponents, Dio. I'm talking about having fun and celebrating with the fans. I personally hate stupid shtein like the Lambeau Leap and the Fun Bunch crap, but dunking the ball over the upright is about as vanilla as it gets and they're even forbidding that now. What's next... spiking the ball?
No Fun League, indeed.
if you had a problem with the fun bunch or have a problem with the lambeau leap then you are pretty much roger goodell
did they eventually play themselves out sure....but in their infancy and for a time after those things were awesome
If you spent more than six seconds thinking up and choreographing your celebration, you spent too much time on it. But it isn't my time, so I don't give too much of a damn.
There's a difference between disliking them personally and advocating for their banishment, IGY. I don't like them but I think legislating them out of the league is idiotic.
Again, I'm an "act like you've been there before" kind of guy but that doesn't mean I think showboating should be penalized. The opposite, actually. I think if a guy showboats then it's the opponents' responsibility to stop him and then remind him why acting like that ain't gonna be tolerated between the lines. Let the players settle it, not some desk-bound paper-pushing douchebag lawyer.
Oh, and by the way... what the farg, Chuggie?
Next idea?
Have a special leap zone where it's sponsored by some corporation and charge fans $400 a seat per game. Then force players to only celebrate in that area.
$$$$$$$$
Are you kidding? Do you know how much the Eagles charge for the first two rows in the end zones versus say row three?
'act like you been there before' might be the dumbest saying in the english language
No. But if it's higher than $400 then my COMCAST XFINITY VAGISIL Leap Zone should be $1000 per seat
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2014, 08:31:40 PM
'act like you been there before' might be the dumbest saying in the english language
It's no "keepin it real" that's for sure.
Only the fans and certain coaches get to act like farging idiots on game day. Get it together, players.
lol....yeah romey and smeags rockin dueling air guitars to highway to hell at tailgate is perfectly fine
It's more like Round And Round by Ratt, but sure...
Nothing will ever beat FF's solo Pour Some Sugar On Me act.
#neverforget
#carolina2003
I occasionally remind him of that on FB. I know somewhere on the interwebz that video still exists.
It was awesome. The panther fans behind him were in awe
Quote from: Rome on April 25, 2014, 08:49:23 PM
I occasionally remind him of that on FB. I know somewhere on the interwebz that video still exists.
And also hbionic's spank folder.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2014, 08:31:40 PM
'act like you been there before' might be the dumbest saying in the english language
There are a lot of people trying to raise their kids not to act like douchebags. Kids idolize players. You have to understand that it's better to have a society of good sports than of braggarts, right? The idea of respecting your opponent enough to refrain from prancing around when you best him of much greater value than the idea of being allowed to flaunt a victory. It's about decency.
I get that you don't like kids or care or whatever tough guy, but kids there are and it serves you better that they be decent towards and respectful of other people, like you. Even if you don't deserve it.
Their parents act like douchebags on game day. The talking heads screaming over highlights act like super douchebags. Some of the coaches are douchebags by default. The cameramen make sure to shoot the cheerleaders from the upskirt angle. The problem isn't some guy backpedaling into the endzone and laughing with his teammates.
Quote from: Diomedes on April 25, 2014, 09:44:09 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2014, 08:31:40 PM
'act like you been there before' might be the dumbest saying in the english language
There are a lot of people trying to raise their kids not to act like douchebags. Kids idolize players. You have to understand that it's better to have a society of good sports than of braggarts, right? The idea of respecting your opponent enough to refrain from prancing around when you best him of much greater value than the idea of being allowed to flaunt a victory. It's about decency.
I get that you don't like kids or care or whatever tough guy, but kids there are and it serves you better that they be decent towards and respectful of other people, like you. Even if you don't deserve it.
I hate douchebag parents much more than any kids...altho kids are awful creatures in their own right....but grow a scrotum and fill it with big balls you little weenie
if your kids becomes disrespectful to others because he watched muhammed ali highlites or saw percy harvin do a back flip after scoring a touchdown then you are a terrible parent who should have been castrated
You'd say the same thing about language in the stands.
I get it. And you're right, it's up to me to raise my kids. And everyone else theirs. I'll be pointing out to them that most people who act like that are terrible human beings and the only reason they are rewarded is that people suck, are a cancer on the earth, and the lowest common denominator rules. So yeah, dance DeSean.
Count me as one of the folks who wishes you'd stop yelling motherfarger next to my ten year old kid, and thinks it's pretty zesty to do a WWF dance after making a tackle. And if the stadium wants to make arule that you need to watch your mouth, or the NFL wants to make a rule that you shouldn't act like a spoiled four year old on the field, I'll welcome it.
I'd be happy if Anthony and Greg up in the stands would stop saying stillupfront, at least.
holy shtein you are one of those people that think curse words are the worst thing in the world for kids....I hate parents like you
and are you really saying desean jackson is a terrible human being because he danced in the end zone after a touchdown
I don't even know what to say....you are certifiable
By 2nd grade, a kid knows at least 3/4ths of all the profanities they're ever going to know. They learned the basics from tv, and the more advanced ones from their friends on the playground.
farg!
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im not saying you should be dropping f bombs every five minutes around your kids...but my parents were lettin bullshtein icehole ect loose from basically the time me my brothers and sisters were out the womb but somehow we all knew when to not use that kind of language...we didnt go to school and start telling the teacher to give us our motherfarging homework bitch....i cant stand people who who have a look on their face like their kids just witnessed a murder when you curse around them
curse words are just that....words...dont make them anything more
theres so many other things to worry about as far as raising kids...and you know whats even less important than curse words if there could even be anything - nfl end zone celebrations
Growing up where we did cursing was part of life. Every other word out of our mouths was farg, so it's no big deal to me if someone says it near my kid. If they start getting nasty about it, then I step in and ask politely to tone it down. Just common courtesy not to be dropping bomb after bomb around kids, but I definitely understand the football game side of it. When we were kids you heard serious cursing at games and a whole lot of racial shtein too. I mean a lottttttt, but that's changed a bit over the years. That said, I'm sure n-bombs are flying in houses all over the DelVal when shtein gets ugly, though.
BTW... I went to the Eagles/Jags game in Jacksonville in 2010 when Vick lit them up and I heard more n-bombs there than I've ever heard anywhere else. The ironic thing is their quarterback was David Garrard.
Go figure, right?
not surprising at all....garrard is a black guy to people like that and vick is a stillupfront
I wonder if the newest Jacksonvillian GF is rockin the stars and bars yet?!
No, but I did hit Wal Mart bingo today. Unattended kids screaming, crying baby with oblivious mother, hambeast in a Rascal and a skinny common law husband, rat tail mullet on the husband, and a missing limb on another.
Rat tail mullet for the win. If he had a pocket tee with a pack of smokes and the sleeves cut off you hit the jackpot
my best friend learned how to raise his kids from ice cube and eazy e
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2014, 10:59:11 PM
my best friend learned how to raise his kids from ice cube and eazy e
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So I just read the last ~5 pages or so at once and agree that NFL is down in the shteinter. If the Eagles weren't in the league I don't know if I would watch anymore.
That pretty much sums it up for me in a nutshell. I still love the sport but much like hockey they're making it increasingly unbearable to watch or follow the professional league they play in.
The only problem I have watching games is matchups I don't care about with terrible announcers. I don't care how good the game might be, I'm not going to sit through Buffalo vs Cleveland with Dan Dierdorf on commentary.
You'll be happy to know the NFL has listened to your concerns and resolved the situation accordingly.
Well, good. Now where's my copy of NFL 2k15?
Walmart.
You have to go back.
Going to be interested to see where AJ goes:
Matches narrative: Known for his accuracy, McCarron was judged through video analysis to have thrown 15.2 percent of his passes "off target." The rest were deemed catchable, the highest percentage among this group of quarterbacks.
Counters narrative: Since the start of the 2012 season, McCarron has completed 54.7 percent of passes thrown 25 yards or longer, the highest mark of any qualified quarterback. Of his 53 total passes in this category, he threw 17 touchdowns without an interception.
Analysis: For someone whose arm is said to be average at best, McCarron found a way to be exceptionally efficient on his deep passes. In the NFL, however, arm strength can be more important in terms of driving midrange throws with velocity than simply having the capacity to reach a deep receiver.
lol, fans start the draft by doing goodel again.
Why am I watching this?
first cryer of the night
Tears of a Clowney?
Boooooooo
Clowney and Watt will be lethal
boomer: "the rams not wasting any time"
ummm they took their entire 15 minutes
Quote from: General_Failure on May 08, 2014, 08:15:08 PM
Why am I watching this?
I'm asking myself the same. Something about blowing the draft up into a megahyped-event and spreading it across half the farging week has ruined it for me. I just want to see some picks and hear people talking about football. But they turned it into American Idol.
OMGTHISISSOEXCITING
Bortles to JAX!!
Whoaaaaaa
Know who could use an OT like Greg Robinson? The taterskins
That fargtard Lacanfora ruined it on twitter
I had to unfollow him
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 08, 2014, 08:30:29 PM
That fargtard Lacanfora ruined it on twitter
I had to unfollow him
yeah hes a pos....im not going anywhere near twitter tonight
Does Cleveland go with Watkins and match him up alongside Gordon? That would be a nightmare for defenses.
Guess not
Do the Bills take Mack?
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 08, 2014, 08:31:35 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 08, 2014, 08:30:29 PM
That fargtard Lacanfora ruined it on twitter
I had to unfollow him
yeah hes a pos....im not going anywhere near twitter tonight
+1. No twitter for this.
Watkins to the Bills
Cleveland is really stacking picks
Quote from: SD on May 08, 2014, 08:37:45 PM
Watkins to the Bills
Cleveland is really stacking picks
both picks are in next years draft which makes sense since they already had 10 this year
Big price to pay to move up 5 spots but I think Watkins is going to be great.
I tried to stay away from twitter but now I'm just unfollowing fargers tipping them
I think Kalil Mack to oakland
mack was born in florida went to buffalo for college and now to oakland in the pros.....dook gets around
This (https://twitter.com/DrawPlayDave) is the only part of Twitter you need to see tonight.
gruden is going to kill every player until johnny is picked
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 08, 2014, 08:44:20 PM
mack was born in florida went to buffalo for college and now to oakland in the pros.....dook gets around
Round and round...round and round....tupac whassup
Quote from: SD on May 08, 2014, 08:37:45 PM
Watkins to the Bills
Cleveland is really stacking picks
they are stacking pics so they can trade for foles and Chip can get Johnny F
be a man for your daughter....jesus
Competition is over, Mike Evans wins the award for most tears
Quote from: SD on May 08, 2014, 09:01:37 PM
Competition is over, Mike Evans wins the award for most tears
and hes wearing sneakers with his suit
Evans to TAMPA is mildly surprising.
Vjax and Evans is powerful
Soooooo.....
If Minny takes someone other than Manziel and Cleveland takes him the Browns could win the draft. Get an extra one?
On shtein!!
Cleveland trades up!
STL haul for RGIII: Michael Brockers, Janoris Jenkins, Isaiah Pead, Rokevious Watson, Alec Ogletree, Stedman Bailey,Zac Stacy, Greg Robinson
Oh, the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, not the accountant. I was confused for a second there.
Wowowowowow!
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh shtein!!
Justin Gilbert!!!!!!
I'm real glad they've got that breaking news bar on the screen to break the story on what's happening on screen this very second.
Is Joe Banner still running that farged up franchise?
Haden and Gilbert is a nice duo
Remember a few years ago when they'd show the player on the phone before the pick was in? That was farging horrible.
Quote from: Rome on May 08, 2014, 09:06:44 PM
Is Joe Banner still running that farged up franchise?
They fired him for being too bad to work for the Browns.
So are Sonny & Cher but you take Manziel there if you're Cleveland. Unless they're going after Bridgewater in the 2nd or trading up to get him later in the first.
I have no problem not taking johnny.....hes overrated
but I think that was a little high for gilbert
Damn!!! That's another shocker
Barr to Minny
Here's Barry farging Sanders to announce the next pick, but first we'll make him shill this video game.
They need to lower the mic for the midget making the pick for the Lions
I hope the giants take Lewan. He's look test and brain test fail
Dude has a mustache tattoo on his body
farging love ebron
Titans gonna go Aaron Donald?
I don't want him in NYG or DAL
what the hell is ebron thinking getting engaged the day hes about to spend the next ten years of his life smashin bangin strange at will
also his fiancé looked like a juwannaman
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 08, 2014, 09:09:48 PM
I have no problem not taking johnny.....hes overrated
but I think that was a little high for gilbert
He's a 5'11" white guy. At least admit that's why you hate him because his performance on the field in college warranted a high #1 pick and definitely before some farging cornerback.
He looked like he was rockin zubaz
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 08, 2014, 09:20:26 PM
what the hell is ebron thinking getting engaged the day hes about to spend the next ten years of his life smashin bangin strange at will
you read my mind
Quote from: Rome on May 08, 2014, 09:20:40 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 08, 2014, 09:09:48 PM
I have no problem not taking johnny.....hes overrated
but I think that was a little high for gilbert
He's a 5'11" white guy. At least admit that's why you hate him because his performance on the field in college warranted a high #1 pick and definitely before some farging cornerback.
ty detmers performance on the field in college was awesome too
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 08, 2014, 09:20:26 PM
what the hell is ebron thinking getting engaged the day hes about to spend the next ten years of his life smashin bangin strange at will
also his fiancé looked like a juwannaman
:-D
Mel (not surprising) and Gruden not holding back. Gruden taking shots. I like it.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 08, 2014, 09:22:25 PM
Quote from: Rome on May 08, 2014, 09:20:40 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 08, 2014, 09:09:48 PM
I have no problem not taking johnny.....hes overrated
but I think that was a little high for gilbert
He's a 5'11" white guy. At least admit that's why you hate him because his performance on the field in college warranted a high #1 pick and definitely before some farging cornerback.
ty detmers performance on the field in college was awesome too
awesome comparison. seriously. you should nick foles be a football talent evaluator nick foles because you're especially adept nick foles at picking quality quarterback talent.
ps: nick foles
I'm guessing OBJ is going to NYG
Wow I got one right
Nice fake reaction Giants fans.
OBJ is just a guy
Wayyyyy too high for him
Quote from: Rome on May 08, 2014, 09:26:32 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 08, 2014, 09:22:25 PM
Quote from: Rome on May 08, 2014, 09:20:40 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 08, 2014, 09:09:48 PM
I have no problem not taking johnny.....hes overrated
but I think that was a little high for gilbert
He's a 5'11" white guy. At least admit that's why you hate him because his performance on the field in college warranted a high #1 pick and definitely before some farging cornerback.
ty detmers performance on the field in college was awesome too
awesome comparison. seriously. you should nick foles be a football talent evaluator nick foles because you're especially adept nick foles at picking quality quarterback talent.
ps: nick foles
its not a comparison between the two players....the point is just because you were exciting in college and put up big numbers does not mean it translates to being a great pro
not sure what nick foles has to do with manzell either
you as usual are spazzing out all over the map....but i would never want it any other way
Not going to be easy to make 22 at this pace. I'm f'n tired.
It's nine picks away...tomorrow is Friday....man up!
Prediction here...Aaron Donald to STL
Just to piss off my homie who loves Dallas and wants to be the bearer of Donald's kids
Yeah, I'm trying. I'm sick and one of the kids was up last night puking and I spent the day climbing around a second story, framing, so I'm dead farging tired.
I want to see what Chip does though.
Quote from: Diomedes on May 08, 2014, 09:37:20 PM
Yeah, I'm trying. I'm sick and one of the kids was up last night puking and I spent the day climbing around a second story, framing, so I'm dead farging tired.
I want to see what Chip does though.
Trades back. Twice.
i actually want them to trade back....twice would be ok too
If he trades back, I'm going to bed immediately.
Trade back twice, take a quarterback.
im actually more into this johnny football death spiral than i am the eagles pick
It's setting up perfect for
Moseley or a trade back for the Birds
All my Aggie friends are losing their minds right now
Of course, all of these teams are going to take their full 15 so there's no way I'll make two more hours of this shtein.
I don't follow college football, so none of these names mean anything to me.
I just hope to hell they don't pick another brandon mcdougle.
You should probably go to sleep. There is absolutely no reason to fight to stay awake for this.
Picks are rolling in now though. I think I'll hang with you guys and enjoy myself. What fun.
damn i wanted shazier
an guess who picks him....the steelers....great minds think a like
Good pick by Pittsburgh
Shazier is gonna ball
ravens and steelers steelers and ravens
almost always make the right pick
I know Ozzie gets the credit in Baltimore...who is the brain behind Pittsburgh drafts?
Quote from: Diomedes on May 08, 2014, 09:54:00 PM
I know Ozzie gets the credit in Baltimore...who is the brain behind Pittsburgh drafts?
Michael Havas
Lolol that's funny
Quote from: Diomedes on May 08, 2014, 09:54:00 PM
I know Ozzie gets the credit in Baltimore...who is the brain behind Pittsburgh drafts?
Kevin Colbert I believe
Quote from: Diomedes on May 08, 2014, 09:54:00 PM
I know Ozzie gets the credit in Baltimore...who is the brain behind Pittsburgh drafts?
really starts with dan rooney...hes the ceo but also is a great football mind and most of all knows how to put together a player personnel office...but their gm kevin colbert is a football genius and their ozzie
Ozzie is gonna take Moseley or HaHa
Oh well.
i think ha ha would have been a mistake there....mosely was the pick and ozzie nailed it
is there a more raven type player than this guy
Gruden looks bored.
I really wanted Mosely
Ok for the Eagles?
Marquis Lee?
Cooks?
HaHa?
Trade?
I say Arizona for Johnny maybe
Andy and Johnny?!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 08, 2014, 10:05:24 PM
I really wanted Mosely
Ok for the Eagles?
Marquis Lee?
Cooks?HaHa?
Trade?
Happy with either one.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 08, 2014, 10:05:24 PM
I really wanted Mosely
Ok for the Eagles?
Marquis Lee?
Cooks?
HaHa?
Trade?
if he keeps falling you gotta look at darqueze...simply as far as best available
his value would be great at 22
Damn Pryor is a good pick there
I'm getting nervous now
what an awful spot for Miami....need a OL badly and there arent any there
Reach of Andy like proportions!!
New Orleans trades up!
Brandin Cooks here I think
darqueze imo...but they could def add a weapon for brees too
Crazy how far Cyrus K fell from the end of the year (medical issues plus people realizing he was meh last season).
I'd be fine with Ha Ha here. I know you don't like him igs, no need to repeat it. I'd be shocked if the Eagles went safety. Pretty much every mock had them taking Brandin Cook which makes no sense since he's so much like Desean. Darqueze would be a great pick but I don't see them going CB. Think we're in for a surprise pick or a trade back.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 08, 2014, 10:10:51 PM
Damn Pryor is a good pick there
Yep - I thought for sure he'd go higher but there's so much talent up and down that board that anywhere from 10-20 sounds about right. Good for them.
What if they take Manziel?
Explosions?? Dogs humping cats?? Wut.
pryor was always too one dimensional to go any higher....in the box safeties in a passing league are never going to go super high
Mosely going at 17 was a surprise to me. I thought he'd go higher as well.
Saints went with Cooks.
Meh.
farg, I wanted cooks
Nawlins knew Cooks was on The Smoothie King's radar so they jumped ahead
i friggin love cooks and im all for going and getting someone with his upside but at the same time I don't really get trading up for a wr in this draft
Suzy is as tall as him lol
Holy shtein with the shouts out to God already.
Give it a farging rest you simpletons.
Who is Green Bay projected to draft?
did anyone see what the saints spent to move up?....I don't feel like looking it up
Quote from: hbionic on May 08, 2014, 10:30:16 PM
Who is Green Bay projected to draft?
gotta be ha ha
Quote from: hbionic on May 08, 2014, 10:30:16 PM
Who is Green Bay projected to draft?
A coroner for that dead body they had propped up in the chair at the head of their table.
Nah they haven't shown it
GB has to go CB here with all the receiving talent in the central
Dennard
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 08, 2014, 10:30:37 PM
did anyone see what the saints spent to move up?....I don't feel like looking it up
3rd
They're trading down. No doubt about it now. Someone needs to get Johnny Boy. Perfect spot for him unless Queazy is the man.
shut your mouth about jimmy ward gruden
Meanwhile, the NFLN crew is praising Clinton-Dix's valet uniform.
Well all my guys are gone.
Gotta trade down
Watch Howie/Chip pick Manziel. Smartest man in the room syndrome always centers in Philly.
There it is.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 08, 2014, 10:27:54 PM
Nawlins knew Cooks was on The Smoothie King's radar so they jumped ahead
going to be a lot of wide receivers screens, otherwise brees won't be able to see cooks
I knew it. The Browns of all teams. farg YOU ANDY!
Here comes trade #1, and there goes Dio.
lolololol
Yes!! I love it!
They got another 3rd!
Great job
Extra 3rd for 4 spots. Solid.
Yeah, can't complain about that. Trade down again at 26.
Goddamn he's a cocky little shtein.
I love it.
He thanked God
Rome's head exploded
romey and god boxing over who can give johnny his first post draft hummer
He fake thanked him.
nsfw
http://totalfratmove.com/youll-want-to-see-the-girls-johnny-manziel-and-jimmy-tatro-took-home-from-the-club/
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this photo might drive sd to murderdeathkill
love dee ford
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this photo might drive sd to murderdeathkill
Hahaha
Browns have drafted Brady Quinn, Brandon Weeden and Johnny Manziel all with No. 22 overall pick,
man the chargers must have been goin crazy seeing darqueze droppin only to see him get scooped one pick before
Verrett...nice pick
he reminds me a lot of boik boik
@AdamSchefter: One reason KC took Auburn DE Dee Ford: Tamba Hali weighed in at 284 pounds last Friday, 20 pounds over his optimal playing weight.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 08, 2014, 11:03:56 PM
Verrett...nice pick
Couple of late mocks had birds taking him.
geez, couldn't they have dropped down a few more slots and still gotten Smith?
And the Eagles strike again. I have no clue who this is but I'm pretty sure Dio is pissed off right now. Is this another Brandon McDougle?
farg the Eagles.
NE would be smart to go Marquise Lee here
I'm going to bed. farg this shtein.
holy shtein I was hoping the eagles could get Easley in the 3rd or 4th
Classic Belichick pick. He'll probably be a 10 time Pro Bowler.
and there goes jimmy....he would have been a far superior pick to smith
Quote from: Rome on May 08, 2014, 11:31:49 PM
Classic Belichick pick. He'll probably be a 10 time Pro Bowler.
actually saw a breakdown of the last handful of patriots drafts...haven't been very good.
I think Brady is going to beat Belichick to death with one of his Uggs for never giving him any WR help
Brady will just have to retire, having gone to a bunch of superbowls and only winning a few of them. Poor guy.
it would be really funny if the Texans took Derek Carr, I would lmao
i wasn't paying too much attention but at some point i think the browns owner said a homeless person told him to draft manziel? pretty sure i heard that.
It was one of the espn talking heads, but yes. Apparently the Browns owner was stopped by a homeless dude and told to draft Manziel. WTF
wait, joe banner is homeless already ?
sal pal (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQiPB307QLI)
they should hire that dood then....they somehow got manzell in the 20's and a first rounder next year (and that doesn't even include the corner they apparently coveted)....they pretty much put on a clinic last night
Supposedly they've sold over 1,500 season tickets since the Manziel pick
http://deadspin.com/leaked-internal-scouting-report-the-patriots-do-not-li-1574040417
Leaked report on Johnny Jesus
His press conference today included Gilbert, and for every 10 questions he got, Gilbert got one. Among the questions: "Are you going to try to convince LeBron to come back to Cleveland?" and "You were photographed holding a champagne bottle!?!?!"
stevie johnson to the niners for a 2015 conditional pick (3-4 rounder)....most likely a 4th to replenish the pick they gave to move up to get sammy watkins yesetrday
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 09, 2014, 12:41:47 PM
they should hire that dood then....they somehow got manzell in the 20's and a first rounder next year (and that doesn't even include the corner they apparently coveted)....they pretty much put on a clinic last night
I tried to trace back everything they gave up and got in all of the 2013-2014 trades that led up to them getting Manziel but gave up about halfway through... there are a lot of moving parts, but the big tradeoff was essentially getting Johnny Football for Trent Richardson. That sounds like a winning gamble even if Manziel is a bust.
yeah im not a manzell guy but just from their perspective they got the qb that they could have justifiably taken at four and been happy....instead they got him at 22 still made another top ten pick and have an extra 1 and 4 next year
you cant work the draft better than that
Which QB does Houston take? I've seen Carr/Garoppolo/McCarron. You'd think Carr would be the best value here, but the skeletons in that closet with that last name may be too big for Houston to dig in with.
Josh Gordon facing a year long suspension for weed?
i know its supposedly a foregone conclusion that they go qb but i dont think then end up doing it....to me it would kind of be like the eagles taking smith where they did....putting to much emphasis on need....the best qb's in this draft arguably shouldnt have gone first round...i don't know why youd force one of the second tier guys at 33....i would take one of the OT's
ahhhhhh.....dilfer mcshay and mel are so awesome...especially compared to boom ray ray and gruden
Gordon is a dumbfarg
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on May 09, 2014, 06:07:15 PM
Josh Gordon facing a year long suspension for weed?
Unbelievable. I think that the NFL's testing program is as ill-conceived as every other facet of the evil drug war (and the fact that they test for a harmless recreational drug is absurd), but I cannot comprehend Gordon's stupidity. The guy might legitimately be the best wide receiver in the world right now, and the world contains Calvin Johnson. And he's literally pissing it all away so he can inhale a burned plant. Imagine all the hours he's put into becoming the player he is. farging wasted. I'm actually angry about this, because he's so fun to watch.
Browns fans can't even have one single full day to feel good about their team.
Haha I didn't even think of the Browns fans. I imagine sports radio there right now is a farging suicide hotline
the worst part about it is that it guarantees they take a wr now....they may have anyway but this seals them taking one out of the pool that needs to work its way down to the eagles
The punishment is too severe but the nflpa and the players accepted it in collective bargaining.
My problem is that even as draconian as it may be he knows it and still smokes out
Also Ray rice will be punished less for whipping his old lady's ass.
a cool pool would be to try and guess when/who the first player rated lower than marcus smith is taken
Whose rankings tho?
Btw it seems scouts in the media had him ranked higher than the draftheads
Daniel Jeremiah had him in the first
jeremiah had him rated his 50th best player....which is probably the highest anyone had him
Whyd I just read in one of the Philly media stories that Jeremiah had him in the first?
Btw how great is Bill Polian?
Great pick by Houston they needed interior ol help bad
i don't know....i just looked at his mock to see if maybe he had him projected high than he had him ranked and he wasn't in his first round mock
and yeah polian is amazing...hes like the football pat gillick
Cowboys give up their 3rd rounder to trade up into the Skins spot
Dallas trades up!!
They gave up a 3rd?!
cowboys all over ealy
jerry doin it right this year
i wouldn't have traded up for him i don't think
guess they have to have a demarcus on the roster
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 09, 2014, 07:05:50 PM
My problem is that even as draconian as it may be he knows it and still smokes out
Not only that, but the whole league smokes out. Only the idiots get caught for it. If Gordon hadn't already been in the substance program due to prior idiocy, he could have safely smoked up 11 months out of the year like DJax and everyone else obviously does.
Cleveland should take Lee here you'd think.
Dallas have up a 3 for a guy who was suspended thrice at Boise...
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on May 09, 2014, 07:23:05 PM
Cleveland should take Lee here you'd think.
whoever the top wr is on their board
if the injury thing about lee is real then he might plummet
they should just tell everyone before each game who is on weed and who isn't...games would be much more insteresting
Brownies take Bitonio?
Hmmmm not bad I guess
i suppose it makes sense that they are looking long term and big picture...we as fans tend to think here and now but with gordon not suspended they are making noise next year....they are building for 2-3-4 years down the road....two number ones next year
Derek Carr for Oaktown is very very good
I think Carr is going to not pan out but we'll see. Makes sense as a pick. Glad they didn't take a WR.
I'd like to see Zach Mettenberger as the guy the Texans pick
Btw why was Garropolo invited to NYC?
Hageman is a nice pick for ATL - they need interior Dl
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 09, 2014, 07:36:36 PM
I'd like to see Zach Mettenberger as the guy the Texans pick
Btw why was Garropolo invited to NYC?
because hes a QB and its a narrative for espn's coverage to put a camera in his face for as long as he "drops"
Sefarian-Jenkins with VJax and Evans?
Sheesh
What in the farging hell is Meester wearing?!
Lee gone to JAX
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 09, 2014, 07:06:29 PM
a cool pool would be to try and guess when/who the first player rated lower than marcus smith is taken
derek carr
Eagles traded up?
Eagles traded up with Tenny!
lololol racists
ozzie the great strikes again
Baltimore and Pittsburgh again do great!
Jernigan and Tuitt
there goes chewey
Damn
i would have chewys babies
Haha
Davante Adams is a nice pick by GB
Troy Niklas is a reach by Zona
Love that pick by Tenny for real
Bishop Sankey is a baller
yeah i like davante adams...hes basically a smaller version of matthews but can make people miss after the catch
Who takes Carlos Hyde ya think?
Miami?
Jeremy Hill to Cincy?
Love them some doods with police records
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 09, 2014, 08:52:24 PM
Who takes Carlos Hyde ya think?
Miami?
i don't see anywhere anytime soon he would make sense
unless someone goes strictly BPA or someone trades up
to my point about not needing to trade up for matthews...people were talking about latimer possibly to the eagles in the first
SF here? That's a good spot for him
New England
Miami
if im sf im all over jean baptiste
Yep!
Hyde to SF
Solid as hell
Baptiste to Nawlins
north philly in the howwwwwwwwwse
Hide yo Belgian custom guns son!
That's the most I've ever heard him talk
Jack who? Mewhort?
i was literally just saying to my wife
jack who?
great place to get kony
Agreed on Kony and JAX doing well today
Nice WRs to develop for whichever veteran backup comes in once Bortles bombs
Belichick has lost his farging mind
lol at those three pasty white new england nerds goin crazy when they called the pick
garrapolo was also invited to the draft cause he looks like superman
Those Pats fans going apeshtein over Jimmy Garropolo couldn't make three players on the team
racists still end up getting moses....they have to be thrilled
Yep
I wonder why he dropped so much?
King Polian droppin knowledge
Jersey chaser extraordinaire Kacie McDonnell getting some air time with Aaron Murray
Shocked she isn't blowing him on camera
the byezunn
So we have reached the stoppage of picks being announced live
On the ticker now
Anyone figured out what the hell Miami is doing?
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 09, 2014, 10:03:13 PM
Anyone figured out what the hell Miami is doing?
what do you mean
They're not doing very well
STL is killing it
Tre Mason is a nice pick
de la soul on a roll...black medallions no gold....hanging out with pos hangin out with mase...tre tre tre all up in your face
Chris Borland to SF
Loaded
did wingo just say for many years hank fraley was the best center in the league?
unfarging believable ravens
Haha whose babies do you want more?
Ozzie or Attouchu
You've clearly never read his Ozzie/Wire fan fiction.
farg, marry, kill...
Ozzie
Attaochu
The Wire
foursome
Omar's coming, indeed.
Hahaha awesome.
The farg is Chicago doing
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 09, 2014, 10:05:29 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 09, 2014, 10:03:13 PM
Anyone figured out what the hell Miami is doing?
what do you mean
They reached on all three picks
I think the Jets beat them with that Maryland CB though. The kid wasn't even expected to be drafted
i liked the james pick for Miami
landry is as good or better than Matthews and a much better value
i don't know shtein about the other lineman
Defense is for Hoydas and the AFC North.
donte and luck
Nice pick for Indy
will clarke gone as well
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 09, 2014, 10:36:35 PM
i liked the james pick for Miami
landry is as good or better than Matthews and a much better value
i don't know shtein about the other lineman
See, I don't get that. Landry has 0 athleticism. None. He would be who I'd think you'd complain about if the Eagles took him because his upside is all slot. Doesn't run well, and the agility drills (SS/cone) were terrrrrrrible times. He can catch the ball but he isn't nearly as athletic as Matthews and is 3 inches smaller.
Agreed on Landry. I never saw his game translating into a big time or even more than a marginal roster guy in the nfl
Crockett Gilmore
The guys name is farging Crockett
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on May 09, 2014, 10:51:53 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 09, 2014, 10:36:35 PM
i liked the james pick for Miami
landry is as good or better than Matthews and a much better value
i don't know shtein about the other lineman
See, I don't get that. Landry has 0 athleticism. None. He would be who I'd think you'd complain about if the Eagles took him because his upside is all slot. Doesn't run well, and the agility drills (SS/cone) were terrrrrrrible times. He can catch the ball but he isn't nearly as athletic as Matthews and is 3 inches smaller.
i would never want landry...but the difference in him and Matthews is negligable...landry would produce in chips offense just as much
steelers with the pick of the day in dri archer
love that cat so much
If he pans out then he could be a great fit in that offense
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 09, 2014, 11:24:00 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on May 09, 2014, 10:51:53 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 09, 2014, 10:36:35 PM
i liked the james pick for Miami
landry is as good or better than Matthews and a much better value
i don't know shtein about the other lineman
See, I don't get that. Landry has 0 athleticism. None. He would be who I'd think you'd complain about if the Eagles took him because his upside is all slot. Doesn't run well, and the agility drills (SS/cone) were terrrrrrrible times. He can catch the ball but he isn't nearly as athletic as Matthews and is 3 inches smaller.
i would never want landry...but the difference in him and Matthews is negligable...landry would produce in chips offense just as much
I don't know whether Matthews will pan out, but he can at least play the outside with his size + speed. I think Landry is Avant 2.0 (which is fine, but his ceiling is really limited, far more so than Matthews IMO, but that's just a difference of opinion).
I don't dislike either of the wide receivers taken, I just think they both were taken a bit early and neither has a high ceiling. which is not what you want when that's what you did with your first round pick.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 09, 2014, 11:21:55 PM
Crockett Gilmore
The guys name is farging Crockett
//http:////www.youtube.com/v/_UmOY6ek_Y4?version=3&hl=en_US
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/10/report-a-j-mccarron-rubbed-teams-the-wrong-way-in-interviews/
Mccarron has the douchebag gene for sure
I think Tennessee should take him tho. He'd be good there
Quote from: QB Eagles on May 10, 2014, 07:28:44 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 09, 2014, 11:21:55 PM
Crockett Gilmore
The guys name is farging Crockett
//http:////www.youtube.com/v/_UmOY6ek_Y4?version=3&hl=en_US
Can't see it. iPad and iPhone nada.
I love David Shaw.
He's great on the nfln coverage.
Bashaud Breeland for Washington is a good pick
Need to go puke now
Ugliest shirt award goes to Devonta Freeman
cowboys have 6 seventh rounders
They may trade Kyle Orton today too
Baalke and Harbaugh killllllling it
Bruce Ellington
new englands draft has been a train wreck
mortenson has sounded like he's had a stroke all wkend
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 10, 2014, 12:27:24 PM
new englands draft has been a train wreck
Yep - their personnel decisions for quite some time now have been zesty
Bill done lost his touch
Andre Williams picked by NYG
Good fit
I love bodine....talk about a plug and play guy
McGill went to Oaktown...
Martavis Bryant to Pittsburgh....solid
shocking pittsburgh would get a martavias bryant this late....they never do stuff like this
Logan Thomas?! He's farging terrible
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 10, 2014, 01:05:57 PM
shocking pittsburgh would get a martavias bryant this late....they never do stuff like this
Pittsburgh, Baltimore, SF....consistently drafting well
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 10, 2014, 01:08:01 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 10, 2014, 01:05:57 PM
shocking pittsburgh would get a martavias bryant this late....they never do stuff like this
Pittsburgh, Baltimore, SF....consistently drafting well
and the eagles
(http://usatq.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/draftchart1.jpg)
QuoteThe goal of this study is to determine which teams draft the best — not which teams have drafted the best players. So a team, like the Patriots, who routinely pick at the end of rounds, might not bring in the type of marquee rookies that a team like the Lions have; but New England has done a better job of picking given their positions in the draft order.
Each draft pick has been assigned a numerical grade based on the player's performance, number of games played, positional value and the pick with which they were selected. The average grade was 0.55.
Performance was based on Pro Football Focus grades. Positional value was based on the average salary of each position. And the value of the draft pick was based on Jimmy Johnson's famed draft pick value chart. Performance and games played accounts for about two-thirds of the grade, while pick and positional value accounts for the remaining third.
The grade is not necessarily a representation of the player's ability but rather the value of the pick he was selected with. For instance, Andrew Luck is probably a better player than Russell Wilson, but Wilson has a higher grade because he was picked in the third round. The Colts do not get credit for being good drafters for making a pick that even the worst GM would have made.
there go deanthony....andy is like farg you chip
Nice read QB
And nice pick by Andy!
So apparently if Logan Thomas fails at QB, and he will, they'll move him to TE
Stop me if you've heard this before but SF with another solid pick
Dontae Johnson to SF
I forgot to rip on Dallas...Lol at them taking Hitchens in the 4th
Dude was a 6-7-UDFA
Tom Savage to Houston
Another mildly surprising pick
Mccarron and Mettenberger and Murray are better
Telvin Smith is aboard The Gus Bus
i wish i could be
You can have the resident Jacksonvillian GF hook ya up with some awful Jags swag.
Maybe get a Jimmy Smith throwback?
no i want some practice worn Bike shorts
A little stiff from dried sweat with a hint of musty ballsack?
Tony Boselli bike shorts en route!
a mason jar of taint sweat...just let it drip down like sap out of a red maple and fill that thing up
Secret smoothie ingredient.
Mix in a bit of Jimmy's blow too. And you can attend Brunell's seminars on how to blow millions of dollars on investments!
Prince Shembo drafted by ATL
He's the guy from ND that was involved in the Lizzie Seeburg case. He just told the ATL media it was an unfortunate incident. Oh really, Prince? Yeah it's unfortunate that ND covered it up and she killed herself.
Brian Kelly is a complete scumbag too.
so is trey wingo....when he was picked he said the same thing...."was involved in an unfortunate incident that resulted in the suicide of a young girl".....wtf?....it reminds me of when my train is delayed because someone got killed on the tracks and they apologize for the inconvienance
Yeah I saw that. Trey is usually very good and he was uncomfortable talking about it but good god man.
Why does this country dance around shtein so much? Call it like it is.
surprised AJ McCarron is still on the board.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 10, 2014, 02:50:32 PM
Yeah I saw that. Trey is usually very good and he was uncomfortable talking about it but good god man.
Why does this country dance around shtein so much? Call it like it is.
they shouldn't have even covered his pick
Me too. To see Savage and Logan farging shteinbag Thomas go before him, Murray and Mettenberger is shocking
i think savage is much better than all of them cept perhaps mettenberg but he has the weed factor
i wouldn't even draft aj logan thomas or murray
You know I ripped Murray a lot but I think he's got some ability especially if he can get coached up and getting away from that dope Richt is big too.
McCarron is going to be good. He's no Toretta, Barker or McElroy
Boom!
Aaron Murray gets coached up by Andy!
Perfect spot for him
Mccarron goes to Cincy. Interesting
I knew Tenny would be in on a QB
Took Mettenberger
He will be their starter by the end of the season
Lache Seastrunk to Washington
Baylor Bears reunion. ES is giddy
first punter taken
still no christian jones j
steelers pop holics boy mcullers
washingtons latest pick....i know its 7th round but this is still pretty funny...
Has very small hands and short arms. Lumbering mover. One-speed route runner with minimal burst and acceleration to separate. Much of his production is schemed -- creates little on his own. Can be phased by traffic (hears footsteps) -- hands are suspect. Struggles sustaining blocks (falls off and is controlled too easily). Tends to play tall and upright. Bench-pressed 225 pounds only 19 times at his pro day. Offers little as a blocker.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 10, 2014, 05:09:12 PM
still no christian jones j
Ha I just was wondering that
It's time! Let's go Howie!
Tajh Boyd taken at the end of the six. several months ago he was looking like a top 10 selection.
Jones must be off a lot of boards, probably Philly is one of them.
Quote from: Eagaholic on May 10, 2014, 05:39:35 PM
Jones must be off a lot of boards, probably Philly is one of them.
like i said yesterday hes dumb as a rock....that takes him off chips board
he also was suspended at florida state
This guys dead!
Cross him off the list then.
Gimme Adrian Hubbard then
Belichick gets Brady some help!
Jeremy Gallons from michigan
Michael Sam drafted by the STL Rams pick 249
Went out to the store and didn't see ESPN but apparently Sam kissed his boyfriend.
Looked at the cowboys message board and it's hate central
One idiot "guess it's not safe to watch the draft with my kids any more"
what do you mean sam missed his boyfriend?
these farging people....I knew they were gonna come out of the woodwork...they all need to be exposed as much as normal everyday idiots can...cue easier to expose republicans coming out in 3...2....1
Autocorrect changed it to miss from kiss
Twitter is one huge bigot convention. I shake my head at these people who love to throw religion into their explanations or hammer their "transitional conservative values".
Sickening. Intolerant. Bigots.
I watched the last couple of hours of the draft at a bar here in town and when they showed Sam making out cake-style with his boyfriend the place went apeshtein with gay slurs. My buddy was homophobe indignant about it and insisted on paying his tab and leaving. There was about 10-15 people sitting with us and I turned to the bartender after he left and said, "shtein, if that's all that took to get rid of that icehole, I would have planted a kiss on him hours ago."
Seriously, though... the cake thing was hilarious. I was actually giddy thinking about how the farging internet was going to melt down over it afterward. People are so goddamn stupid and freak out over the pettiest shtein.
I wasn't watching....what happened with the cake
and how was that guy ever your "buddy"....or had he kept that inside and unknown to you until today
I mean...I just don't understand how people can hate as strongly as what we are seeing.
They don't even recognize the hypocrisy of being so hateful while invoking their religion. Especially Christians since God and Jesus said to love thy neighbor and to be kind to fellow man.
I agree that any hateful bigot should be exposed and humiliated just like the racists back in the Jim Crow and civil rights days were exposed.
http://deadspin.com/ugly-america-responds-to-michael-sam-kissing-a-man-on-e-1574591627?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
Take note of the dickhead who said he filed an FCC complaint
I didn't even think of that. Can you imagine the poor minimum wage sap or intern manning the phones today having to deal with these toolbags calling in?
religious people are so hateful that they don't even recognize other religions...they think their god is the only one
Nice broad brush, igy. Hate comes from all corners. Sadly, it's a big part of the human experience.
Hopefully one day the noise will die down and it won't matter who the guy is kissing when his name is called. Unfortunately, that time hasn't come yet.
its not a broad brush....to christians if you dont believe in christ you are going to hell....period
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...(zip)... :paranoid
What time does round 8 begin tomorrow? Can't wait.
Christian Jones signed with Chicago
greatest udfa signing ever?
Quote from: Diomedes on May 10, 2014, 10:07:41 PM
What time does round 8 begin tomorrow? Can't wait.
its over but the nba lottery is in 10 days....biggest day in sports in a long long time
What, after the gay guy the called it off? Afraid someone might draft a transgender player?
Punks.
He's gonna play well there I think.
You gonna be able to make it thru the work day on the 20th?
i dont know what im gonna do....i have butterflies now hoping for the absolute best and expecting the absolute worst
Seriously...I think we all know who the "woman" is in that relationship. :-D
The bigotry unfortunately had to be expected. We live is such a socially illiterate country it's pathetic. Perhaps I was being naive but I didn't think the Michael Sam issue was going to be a big deal. 20 years from now no one will care and there will likely be guys that are in the HOF today that will have come out by then.
Troy Vincent said he played with six gay players.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 11, 2014, 12:24:38 AM
Troy Vincent said he played with six gay players.
1. bobby taylor
2.
3.
4
5.
6.
I was thinking Bobby as well.
Jeremiah Trotter
D-Mac
mcnabb is just a bitch....he aint gay
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 10, 2014, 08:18:45 PM
I wasn't watching....what happened with the cake
and how was that guy ever your "buddy"....or had he kept that inside and unknown to you until today
I have friends with different views than my own. Just because people don't agree with each other or don't always espouse politically correct opinions doesn't make them bad people, IGY. He doesn't like watching gay guys making out on national television. I don't give a shtein personally but I can understand and tolerate his mild intolerance.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 11, 2014, 12:24:38 AM
Troy Vincent said he played with six gay players.
They didn't call Hank Fraley "Honey Buns" for nothing.
Seriously it seems a little odd that Vincent would have played with that many openly gay players (suggesting that it's rather common) without a single gay player's identity ever leaking out. Obviously it would have been a pretty big betrayal to out someone in the NFL, but the number of jerks in the NFL who would blab probably outweighs the number of gay players.
I'm 150% for Gay Marriage, I don't like that religious folks try to dictate societal rules and a gay couple deserves the exact same rights as non gay couples because they also pay taxes and contribute to society. But the whole Sams draft day act was lame. The crying is fine, kissing your boyfriend...fine. Smearing cake on his face and licking it off...really? I think of him more as an attention whore now than a courageous soul. Really he's more about being an activist than focusing on his football career, and ultimately that's why he'll be cut.
SD, I guess my reaction was a bit like yours. I was moved by Sam's overwhelming emotions and I actually liked that his boyfriend was there and that he kissed him repeatedly, instead of trying to hide or downplay the historical meaning of the draft pick.
The cake part, however, came several minutes after the phone call and was a separate piece of tape (and I don't believe it was live). There wasn't really any reason for ESPN to show it other than to try to generate controversy. I've never seen anything like that with straight couples during the draft, it was more of a wedding reception makeout session. Sam can obviously celebrate the pick any way he wants but I question ESPN's decision to broadcast the cake part.
I don't go as far as you do in reading into it that he's all about being an activist or attention whore, and that he'll be cut. It's very possible that he'll have a Tebow-like career, with people both overrating and underrating his career for reasons that have nothing to do with football, and with every aspect of his career blown way out of proportion by the media for the same reasons. But I'm not willing to go to the next step and say he's actively stoking that, because so far it just looks like he's a guy who wants to play football and lead his life openly.
Quote from: hbionic on May 11, 2014, 03:50:04 AM
I was thinking Bobby as well.
Jeremiah Trotter
D-Mac
Haha farg you buddy!
I thought the cake was over the top too. I loved the raw emotion and the joy he shared with his boyfriend. That's genuine feelings and love.
Quote from: Rome on May 11, 2014, 06:34:16 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 10, 2014, 08:18:45 PM
I wasn't watching....what happened with the cake
and how was that guy ever your "buddy"....or had he kept that inside and unknown to you until today
I have friends with different views than my own. Just because people don't agree with each other or don't always espouse politically correct opinions doesn't make them bad people, IGY. He doesn't like watching gay guys making out on national television. I don't give a shtein personally but I can understand and tolerate his mild intolerance.
to each his own but I cant befriend ignorance...if a friend of mine has a different view on the middle east than I do fine...but when it comes to homophobia or racism....human rights type shtein then farg those people...the guy literally was so disgusted he paid his bill and left??...totally his right....and I dont wish bad things on him...in fact I feel sorry for people like that....but I could never be friends with them
i didn't see the cake thing...but heres the thing...if you hate it because it was two gay people doing it then that's just stupid....if you thought it was cheesy or over the top the same way a straight players girlfriend or family and friends act when they are picked then fine
tim tebow ran across the jets practice field shirtless in the rain and no one seemed to flip out about it
Who are we to judge how this guy acts especially considering what he's been through?
The guy is a black, gay professional football player who's been subjected to intense scrutiny and outright hostility ever since he came out. Gays in this country are ridiculed, harassed, discriminated against and treated as pariahs in this so-called "free" society. They're accused of being child molesters, deviants and evil. If they're going to be treated like that, I can't blame them for giving everyone a collective middle finger.
They're not asking for tolerance anymore. They're demanding it and that's a great thing. The ultimate irony of this is the game he plays is ultra-violent, yet no one seems to give a shtein about guys getting their brains beat out. But two dudes making out on television... OH MY GOD THE HORROR! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!
Would he have flipped if the guy had proposed to his boyfriend while they were checking out the Empire State Building?
Quote from: Rome on May 11, 2014, 01:25:25 PM
But two dudes making out on television... OH MY GOD THE HORROR! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!
My favorite tweet about it said "it's ok for your child to hear about the player accused of rape, that's easy to explain, but 2 consensual adults in love ..."
Quote from: Rome on May 11, 2014, 01:25:25 PM
Who are we to judge how this guy acts especially considering what he's been through?
absolutely agree....but making fun of two people feeding cake to each other after getting drafted is completely warranted...but not because they are gay...again didn't see it but it sounds ridiculously cheesy
i regularly laugh my ass off at all the doods who blubber after being picked
It's just as stupid and cheesy as when a bride & groom do it at their wedding. But they don't typically receive nationwide condemnation or death threats either. Seriously, I know this country is a sewer but times like this make me all the more depressed to live among such people.
Agreed on feeling the same way when living amongst people like that. The anonymity of the internet breeds cowardice and hatred and gives these bigots a voice.
In this day and age the United States should be at the forefront of accepting and understanding differences. However we are sorely lacking in that and it disgusts me.
All races and sexual preferences should be respected.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 11, 2014, 02:44:04 PMAll races and sexual preferences should be respected.
Even Eskimos? Hippie.
Especially Eskimos!
Their pies are delicious.
I farg an Eskimo every day while dreaming of oil spills and clubbing seals on the head.
I just saw a clip of the kiss. What a G-rated non event. I didn't see the cake thing but descriptions of it do make it sound like it was corny and awkward so yeah, cut it out. But ultimately who gives a shtein? What the hell is the matter with people.
Live in Texas and listen to the reactions....jeez
I think I am in a time warp.
It's 1956 where I am.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 10, 2014, 08:49:54 PM
its not a broad brush....to christians if you dont believe in christ you are going to hell....period
New Pope says you wrong. Everyone gets to pass Go.
The cake bit was probably pushed by the producer of whatever ESPN show was chronicling him...the one Trey Wengo mentioned every time Sam was mentioned. Also, I don't care what anybody says: the only reason he lasted until late in the seventh round, and was the first SEC defensive player of the year to not be drafted in the first round, other than our very own DeMeco Ryans who went with the first pick in the 2nd round, is because he's gay.